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I See Dead People (Voting) in Cleveland:

A local news program reports that dead people in Cleveland remain on the Cuyahoga County voter rolls, and that some have continued to vote from beyond the grave. The number of dead voters who actually cast ballots does not appear to be very large, but this is not the first report of dead people voting in Cleveland -- the same station made a similar report two years ago, but it seems little has changed.

b4uno (mail):
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11.3.2008 10:16pm
AK (mail):
But voter fraud is a Republican myth! Everyone knows that!
11.3.2008 10:21pm
pmorem (mail):
They're not dead, they're "mortally challenged".

Mayor Daley (the first one) was a staunch defender of their voting rights. They must not be disenfranchised.

Braaaaaaaaaiiiinnnnsssss
11.3.2008 10:27pm
Smokey:
Voter fraud by Democrat operatives is so pervasive that it becomes expected, like Biden's endless gaffes. But Gov. Palin says one thing that can possibly be disputed, and it's above-the-fold, front page news -- while Biden and Obama's routine misrepresentations [lies] are so numerous that they make folks' eyes glaze over.

Voter fraud is the same. It's expected, when Democrats are gaming the system. Just as it's expected that tens of millions of dollars are illegally funneled into the Obama campaign by foreign nationals [French, British, Kenyan, German, etc.] That's OK, because it's expected.

Voter fraud is expected to be perpetrated by Dem operatives. No big deal.

Right??

Right.
11.3.2008 10:35pm
jukeboxgrad (mail):
Most polls have been showing McCain ahead in one age bracket: 65+. So this is most likely a positive development for McCain.
11.3.2008 10:36pm
Dave N (mail):
It reminds me of the story of the person who made his family promise him that he would be buried in Chicago.

"Why?" his family asked.

"Because I want to remain active in politics after I die."
11.3.2008 10:48pm
Christie (mail) (www):
But there is no real voter fraud: http://tinyurl.com/6l4urb
11.3.2008 10:49pm
loki13 (mail):
Blah blah blah Smokey blah blah blah another Adler post on voter fraud blah blah blah.

I have worked as a poll monitor in a state that has a reasonable ID requirement for voting. I will be working tomorrow as well. I have no problem with reasonable ID requirements. Here's the problem:

Voter suppression.

Hearing (yes, hearing) one GOP operative loudly brag about how he;s going to challenge 'all of the voters' where he's working? That's annoying. Especially knowing that he has chosen to work in 'that' part of town (the black part).

Seeing, over and over again, poll workers go over a litany of oaths and perjury charges for black voters, while seeing a bus load of retirees 'helped' to vote by their driver? Yeah, that happens.

Watching as 'those parts' of town deal with short staffing and few machines, while the 'other parts' don't? And seeing concerted action and challenges to make sure 'those parts' of town have either longer lines, effectively disenfranchising those who have to vote after work? Priceless.

I have no problem with real attempts to make sure there isn't voter fraud. But the voter fraud hysteria (ramping up the isolated voter fraud issues, while ignoring the real issues, e.g. absentee balloting) combined with ignoring the reality on the ground- that the modern GOP thrives on vote suppression, pisses me off.

Prof. Adler- please, instead of passing along your "interesting" articles, why don't you go to the poorer section of a minority city/state (e.g. East St. Louis, black areas of Florida, black areas of Georgia) and see the difference between ivory tower theory and hardball political practice.
11.3.2008 10:49pm
A. Zarkov (mail):
I see live people voting in California. I think that's worse.
11.3.2008 10:54pm
Randy R. (mail):
Can't wait to see if Jonathan will post links to actual attempts by Republican party operatives to suppress vote tomorrow....
11.3.2008 10:57pm
PC:
27 suspect votes vs. 10 hour voting lines. Hmmmm.
11.3.2008 11:13pm
Confused One:
Perhaps the dead people vote for all those deterred by ridiculously long lines.

Ridiculously long lines.

Ridiculous.
11.3.2008 11:14pm
Pauldom:
Our local news station has been teasing a story all night about a man who just died, but thankfully not until his dying wish came true: he voted for McCain. Flanked by "bullet narrowly misses sleeping family," and "some voters still undecided."
11.3.2008 11:15pm
DangerMouse:
So no one condemns this?

Do you Democrats really want Obama to be elected with stories like this coming out?
11.3.2008 11:16pm
Confused One:
Danger Mouse,

Clearly every dead voter votes for Obama, therefore whatever margin he wins tomorrow will be marred by these votes.

Ironically, the only election whose margin was close enough to be swayed by "dead voters" was decided by the Republican SCOTUS judges for Bush.
11.3.2008 11:19pm
Confused One:
I'm sorry, this is really too good not to get a second bite:


Do you Democrats really want Obama to be elected with stories like this coming out?


No, I no longer want him elected. He should clearly resign. That is the only logical thing to do.
11.3.2008 11:20pm
PC:
Yes DangerMouse, I think everyone condemns it. There appear to be 27 fradulent votes by dead people in one county. They need to fix the system.

Now will you condemn the 10 hour lines in Georgia and the 7 hour lines in Florida? A single line that long will easily disenfranchise more than 27 people.
11.3.2008 11:22pm
RPT (mail):
Smokey and Mouse:

Did the story say the dead are "voting" for Democrats? It does not appear to do so. When will you guys stop whining? You've gotten everything you wanted for eight years, made a grand mess of this country, and several others, and now it appears your run is coming to an end.

Finally, here in So Cal there are long lines in the low income areas of Los Angeles, with fewer machines, and no lines whatsoever in Republican Orange County. Coincidence?
11.3.2008 11:24pm
PC:
btw, anyone know what happened with the widespread fraud in NM perpetrated by ACORN? The issue that was so pressing the NM GOP had a press conference? Any follow up on that?
11.3.2008 11:31pm
DangerMouse:
Now will you condemn the 10 hour lines in Georgia and the 7 hour lines in Florida? A single line that long will easily disenfranchise more than 27 people.

You act as if long lines are some kind of Rovian plot, like voter fraud is ACORN's raison d'etre. Of course I condemn long lines. Hell, I live in NYC and long lines are a fact of life here, but I condemn them all the same.

When will you guys stop whining? You've gotten everything you wanted for eight years, made a grand mess of this country, and several others, and now it appears your run is coming to an end.

I hardly think that a group that still isn't over the 2000 election can discuss who's "whining." See Confused One's post for that.
11.3.2008 11:32pm
Xanthippas (mail) (www):

Do you Democrats really want Obama to be elected with stories like this coming out?


We would if anyone but Republican partisans seemed to care.
11.3.2008 11:38pm
Cornellian (mail):
That dead people remain on the voter rolls isn't exactly surprising. The dead person isn't around to let the registrar know he's not available to vote anymore, nor is that someone one would expect to be on the "to do" list of his grieving relatives.

If they're still voting that's obviously a problem (assuming it's not something like a situation where the person mails in an absentee ballot then dies before election day) but judging from your description it doesn't seem like any more of a problem now than it ever was.
11.3.2008 11:40pm
PC:
like voter fraud is ACORN's raison d'etre

The Bush DoJ would love to see your evidence. They've been looking for 8 years and have found virtually nothing.
11.3.2008 11:45pm
NickM (mail) (www):
RPT - Los Angeles County's Registrar of Voters, who is responsible for allocating and expending resources for early voting, is a Democrat (and was King County, WA's registrar during the 2004 elections, when the numbers of ballots in different precincts kept changing every time they counted them) and the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors is controlled by partisan Democrats.

I guess liberal Democrats who don't do what you want are all now Republican voter suppression operatives.

PC - election day is Tuesday. Whining that "early voting" lines on other days are too long is just plain silly.

Nick
11.3.2008 11:49pm
RPT (mail):
Hi Nick:

You're right about the party affiliation of the LA Registrar. Unfortunately the county resources are not equivalent. That is the problem.
11.3.2008 11:55pm
MQuinn:
DangerMouse said:

I hardly think that a group that still isn't over the 2000 election can discuss who's "whining." See Confused One's post for that.

Ok, let me get this straight. You reprimand an alleged whiner's attack on your whining by telling the alleged whiner that he/she has whined enough. Essentially, haven't you just admitted that you are whining, and that you can't be critiqued for it because it is your turn to whine?
11.4.2008 12:00am
pireader (mail):
Professor Adler --

You've repeatedly posted about the risks of registration and voting fraud. And every time, commenter reply with accusations that the real objective is disenfranchisement.

So would you favor changing over to some very-different an approach that makes registration and voting easy but fraud difficult? I'm thinking of a centralized national registration database, like the one that Canada uses. (They even allow address changes to be done on-line.) Perhaps coupled with federally-provided ID that a voter must present.
11.4.2008 12:02am
DangerMouse:
Ok, let me get this straight. You reprimand an alleged whiner's attack on your whining by telling the alleged whiner that he/she has whined enough. Essentially, haven't you just admitted that you are whining, and that you can't be critiqued for it because it is your turn to whine?

Yes. I look forward to the days when I can whine like liberals have for the past 8 years about a "stolen election." It's going to be great.
11.4.2008 12:13am
Waldensian (mail):

I look forward to the days when I can whine like liberals have for the past 8 years about a "stolen election." It's going to be great.

You may have to wait for another election.
11.4.2008 12:23am
Don de Drain:
Here is my favorite "dead people" story. It is true. Some managers in IRS decided that they would do a "non-filer" audit project on attorneys by taking the list of attorneys admitted to practice in the state and checking to see if those attorneys filed returns. IRS found a large number of attorneys on the list who had not filed returns, and then sent out a bunch of agents to investigate. The agents came up empty -- the attorneys were nowhere to be found. Turns out that the state bar had failed to remove attorneys from the list after they died.

I don't know how many of those dead attorneys ever voted.
11.4.2008 12:40am
Don de Drain:
Clarification: I don't know how many of the dead attorneys ever voted after they died.

loki13, I'm with you. Hope you can get some videos of what happens on the street some day.
11.4.2008 12:43am
Hoosier:
I just can't believe the callous insensitivity here!!!!

Long voting lines are not just anti-democratic. With all these dead people showing up at the polls, they DAMNED DANGEROUS!!!

If you see the walking dead shambling up to your queue, for GOD'S SAKE GET TO HIGH GROUND!!! (Zombies suck at climbing.)

There will be another chance to vote in two years. But brain-eating is FOREVER!

See this government site for more helpful information:

www.fvza.org/zombies.html
11.4.2008 12:51am
Hoosier:
jbg's guess about the demographics of dead voters sounds correct— to the uninitiated. But in fact Undead-Americans tend to vote in a bloc for Democrats.

Actually, almost always for Adlai Stevenson (as a write-in candidate; not sure why.)
11.4.2008 12:58am
astrangerwithcandy (mail):

Finally, here in So Cal there are long lines in the low income areas of Los Angeles, with fewer machines, and no lines whatsoever in Republican Orange County. Coincidence?



i agree, the elected republicans in Los Angeles county are clearly trying to disenfranchise voters in the poor areas of the county.....desperately hoping that they can capture 15% of the vote in the county rather than the usual 10%.
11.4.2008 1:05am
JB:
Can anyone disprove or counter Cornellian's theory? Because that looks by far the best via Ockham's Razor.
11.4.2008 1:12am
astrangerwithcandy (mail):

btw, anyone know what happened with the widespread fraud in NM perpetrated by ACORN? The issue that was so pressing the NM GOP had a press conference? Any follow up on that?



wouldn't this require waiting til...well, people actually voted?!
11.4.2008 1:13am
astrangerwithcandy (mail):


You're right about the party affiliation of the LA Registrar. Unfortunately the county resources are not equivalent. That is the problem.


is the problem that the counties have differing levels of resources...or that la county has incompetent leadership?
11.4.2008 1:18am
Syd Henderson (mail):
Read the story. The number of dead voters is trivial and could simply be clerical error. And I don't know about you, but if someone comes back from the grave to vote, I'm certainly not going to stand in their way.
11.4.2008 1:59am
KG2V:
from 1985 till last year, if you use the standard way of looking at the records, was a dead person who voted. Due to a paperwork error made in 1985, my father was put on the Social Security Master Death Index, he was listed as dead. Every year, Dad would drive on down to social security, prove that he was still alve, and they would remove him from the master death list (usually in March, when he had to pay his taxes, and they would not take his return, because he was dead).. Every yearm by the end of the year, the data would revert to hime meing dead - some computer somewhere would revert the record. Of course, he passes this June, but we now find that we have dualing death records - it keeps changing from his real date of death, to 1985 and back

So - Although I will agree with you that there is a huge problem with dead people voting, there are some real "zombies" out there
11.4.2008 2:08am
KG2V:
from 1985 till last year, if you use the standard way of looking at the records, was a dead person who voted. Due to a paperwork error made in 1985, my father was put on the Social Security Master Death Index, he was listed as dead. Every year, Dad would drive on down to social security, prove that he was still alve, and they would remove him from the master death list (usually in March, when he had to pay his taxes, and they would not take his return, because he was dead).. Every yearm by the end of the year, the data would revert to hime meing dead - some computer somewhere would revert the record. Of course, he passes this June, but we now find that we have dualing death records - it keeps changing from his real date of death, to 1985 and back

So - Although I will agree with you that there is a huge problem with dead people voting, there are some real "zombies" out there
11.4.2008 2:08am
AlanDownunder (mail):
It be great if -

- GOP claims of vote fraud and Dem claims of vote suppression and hacking were all tackled together by enactment of world best practice electoral laws

- the tackling was pursued immediately after elections and completed well before them

Mr Adler's post is not so great.
11.4.2008 2:16am
fishbane (mail):
A serious proposal: tie voting to taxation. Every legal person in the country pays taxes, either through employers or via 1099. I know the IRS inflames certain folks, but it seems like a natural for tracking and identifying "real" voters. It does anyway.

Or is there some other reason for making parallel systems?
11.4.2008 4:59am
Arkady:
@ JA:


The number of dead voters who actually cast ballots does not appear to be very large, but this is not the first report of dead people voting in Cleveland -- the same station made a similar report two years ago, but it seems little has changed.


I dare say. From the TV news story:


But this isn't the first time we've uncovered dead voters. Two years ago, another 5 On Your Side investigation exposed 13,000 dead voters registered in Cuyahoga County. More than two dozen of them cast ballots.


That works out to 0.002%. Lamentable, but not necessarily a severe threat to the Republic, I'd say. None of which means, of course, that the voter roles don't need rationalizing. But this doesn't seem to me to represent "the end of representative government." BTW, nowhere in the story is there any info on the political affiliations of the deceased voters. Anyone know?
11.4.2008 6:10am
Visitor Again:
The racist A Zarkov says:

I see live people voting in California. I think that's worse.

Yeah, we in California who had the good sense to vote against Bush in both 2000 and 2004. Eight years of one disaster after another would have been avoided had other states followed our example. Now it's up to the Democrats to try to undo the unholy mess the Republicans have created. It gets harder every time.
11.4.2008 7:15am
common sense (www):
When I was at West Point, our NSA fellow was working on security schemes for voting over the Internet. Incredible number of problems to work through, and although I haven't closely followed the research, I don't think we are closer. Until we crack that nut, there will be long voting lines, which are a shame. Maybe more absentee in place or early voting is the solution. That being said, I spent last presidential election in Iraq, and was out and about while they were having an election. If all we have to complain about are long lines, I think we are doing okay.
11.4.2008 7:15am
Daniel Wolf (mail):
Given the massive increase in early voting, there is a statistical certainty that some of these early voters will die in advance of the polls and not be struck from the rolls in time to remove their votes. Thus, a small number of people are certain to vote having died before election day. Given McCain's apparent strength in older voters it may well be concluded that the Republican has the upper hand in voting by the dead.
11.4.2008 7:38am
Justin (mail):
PC,

It turned out to not be true, ACORN was completely exonerated. But Adler thought anything more than a he said, she said update was unnecessary.

Jon and commentators,

Has anyone actually read the investigation that the paper did? All of the "dead voters" that were tracked down turned out to be technical mistakes, such as a wife marking the wrong box and her vote then counting for her dead husband, etc.
11.4.2008 7:39am
Justin (mail):
NickM,

If early voting lines are 10 hours, do you think regular voting is going to go smoothly? Do you?
11.4.2008 7:40am
Floridan:
Justin: "If early voting lines are 10 hours, do you think regular voting is going to go smoothly? Do you?"

Here in Florida, there is a good chance that today's voting will go faster (if that's the same as smooth).

During early voting Florida counties were limited by the state in the number of voting places that could be opened -- in the large counties that meant maybe a dozen early polling places, rather than the hundreds that will be open today. Also, the early voting period gave the poll workers a chance to identify typical problems and learn how to solve them.

So I think most election supervisors here are hopeful for a smooth election day operation.
11.4.2008 8:01am
P Andrew (mail):
For crying out loud, look at what the article says:


After all the work, the record showed serious questions about 27 people. Those 27 people appear to be dead voters.

In many of the cases this time, the dead were counted because of technical mistakes.

In one case, a wife signed in the wrong place and her deceased husband was counted as the voter.


And so on. But that doesn't stop Prof. Adler. There are a million ways that it could appear that a dead person voted. And yet there is no plausible way in which one could put together a scheme to steal an election through such retail-level fraud. (That would require wholesale fraud involing election officials, the machines, etc.)
11.4.2008 8:06am
RPT (mail):
A sad proof for all of you McCain fans.....Obama's grandmother voted absentee before she passed away. Anyone going to challenge her vote?
11.4.2008 8:58am
RPT (mail):
"is the problem that the counties have differing levels of resources...or that la county has incompetent leadership?"

At least we agree that it's a problem.
11.4.2008 8:59am
PC:
Anyone going to challenge her vote?

Republicans are challenging his trip to see her.
11.4.2008 9:05am
Richard Aubrey (mail):
KG2V.
It appears the zombies work for the Social Security administration. Or not. More accurately, they get paid by SS.
11.4.2008 9:28am
Daniel Wolf (mail):
Common Sense:

The solution to long polling lines is smaller precints or polling stations and more staff and booths in larger precincts.

For many years I worked as a supervisor for my polling station in Southern California. The precinct had ca. three hundred registered voters. With three booths, no voter ever had to wait longer than 5 minutes to vote, and that was with long California ballots, including Federal, State, County, City, School, and Water District elections as well as initiatives and referenda.

One more thing: In the first year I worked, we still tabiulated all of our ballots by hand, posting the results at the station, all within two or three hours of closing. It was a system that was neither broke nor needed fixing.
11.4.2008 9:42am
geokstr:
How come we never get a post about the military votes that the dems keep trying to disallow by any means possible?

Didn't have the right postmark, got back too late even though they were not sent out by the dem secretary of state in a timely manner, don't have the non-requested, non-existent spaces for witness address filled in, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

It would seem to me that if anyone's votes should count, it would be the ones who are fighting and dying for us. Of course, they do seem to favor the republicans by 70-30, so that might explain it.
11.4.2008 10:28am
Smokey:
RPT:
When will you guys stop whining? You've gotten everything you wanted for eight years, made a grand mess of this country, and several others, and now it appears your run is coming to an end.
Sad to see that the folks who let Big Media do their thinking for them actually believe the pablum that they've been spoon fed for eight years. But the people who think for themselves see things a little differently:

Iraq now has a working democracy. That is an astonishing acheivement, which Carter, Clinton and Bush senior all failed to accomplish. The nay-sayers have consistently predicted that it couldn't happen, and when it did happen, that it couldn't last more than a few months. But the factions were held in check until a working democracy emerged. That achievement alone makes the entire Clinton foreign policy, which consisted primarily of carpet bombing civilians, pale into insignificance.

Saddam Hussein murdered between 50,000 and 100,000 Iraqis every year in the decade preceding the invasion, including using poison gas on the Kurds. And without the invasion of Iraq, his two homicidal maniac sons, Uday and Qusay, would have succeeded him.

The media consistently reported that the situation was much worse than it was. Some of us still remember the media writers and talking heads practically standing up and cheering at each report of U.S. casualties, until widespread revulsion at their gloating forced them to back off.

And when the surge proved to be successful despite the media's hand-wringing and constant nay-saying, the same media did its best to ignore it, and even to falsely report it as a failure. The ignorant, as usual, accepted the media's anti-American propaganda.

After the discovery of the half-million graves of Saddam's victims [and new mass graves are still being routinely discovered], some people still lack the decency and humanity to admit that we did the right thing. Their hatred blinds them to the good that has been done.

Regarding the economy, recall that Clinton's stained exit passed on a recession to GWB, which was made much worse by the 9-11 attacks. Revenue dropped 21% between 2000 and 2003. Millions of jobs were lost.

But then the Bush tax cuts started, beginning with a 2.6% cut, followed in 2003 by a 25% cut in the capital gains tax. As a result the economy began to grow rapidly. Several million more jobs were created than had been lost. Tax revenues increased by 2.4% in '04, and 11% in '05.

Then in 2006 the marginal tax rate was cut 7.4%, from 37.6% to 35%. What happened? Despite the nay-sayers, tax revenues made another huge gain, increasing by 27% over the previous year, and proving once again that tax cuts provide a double benefit: more money in the pockets of Americans, and more tax revenue for the government.

Note also that the E-Z lending policies were entirely the proposals of Democrats in Congress -- who consistently blocked reform and oversight proposals of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from 2000 onward. FNMA C.E.O. [and darling of the Democrats] Franklin Raines walked away from the smoking ruins of the company with over a quarter of a billion dollars in his pockets -- while U.S. taxpayers are being forced to pay tens of billions for Raines' incompetence and fraud.

For eight years liberals have desperately and impotently tried to get revenge by having Bush impeached, but they continue to turn a blind eye to the rampant corruption within their own ranks: Franklin Raines still walks as free as bribe-taker Rep. William Jefferson, despite proof that he cooked the books at FNMA. Sen. Dianne Feinstein still funnels million in no-bid contracts into her husband's companies. Sen. Barbara Boxer still walks free after kiting over a hundred check written for cash to the U.S. Post Office [while you or I would be serving hard time for passing half a dozen bad checks to the Post Office]. The hypocrisy by lib Bush haters is so thick you'd need a chain saw to cut through it.

Those of us who recall the economy of the 1970's, with unemployment hovering around 10%, FHA home loans at 18 1/2%, inflation over 13%, and a stagnant economy, look back at the Bush years, with 95% employment, very little inflation, home loan rates under 6%, taxes on the average American worker drastically cut, and a growing economy, and wonder at the hatred and vitriol directed at a president who showed that democracy could succeed in the Middle East, taxes could be repeatedly cut, and the economy improved at the same time.

Liberals have to live with their corrosive hatred, but some of us know when we've had it pretty good. But the future, it now appears, is leading us back to the bad old days of very high tax rates on the American worker.
11.4.2008 10:30am
Sarcastro (www):
Smokey sure seems like a happy, optimistic guy! Too bad all you liberals have to live with your corrosive hatred and can't see the sunshine like he does.
11.4.2008 10:47am
Randy R. (mail):
I'm not too worried. Presumably, the dead people will vote for Obama. But only the brain-dead would vote for McCain, so I think their votes will just cancel each other out.
11.4.2008 11:43am
Randy R. (mail):
Smokey: "Iraq now has a working democracy."

We were told that Iraq would have a working democracy within a few months of our invading them. So now after six years and thousands of dead Americans, we finally achieve the goal. And the goal was to transform the entire middle east and make it all a democracy. Still waiting on that one. Heckuva job, George!

"Saddam Hussein murdered between 50,000 and 100,000 Iraqis every year"

That many? He killed almost 1.5 million in the 15 years since Reagan started giving him military support as an ally against Iran? perhaps Reagan then shares some of that blame.
But so what? N. Korea has killed many more than that, and Bush failed to invade N. Korea. I guess that's another foreign policy failure!

As for the economy, recall that republicans controlled congress the entire time Clinton was president, but NO they don't deserve any blame at all for the recession that they gave Bush. They were just meek sheep, right? And Bush doens't deserve any blame AT ALL for the financial crisis -- even though it happened on his watch, right? It's pretty convenient to switch blame around to the other side at all times.
11.4.2008 11:49am
Randy R. (mail):
"Of course, they do seem to favor the republicans by 70-30, so that might explain it."

Uh, I could bet you ten dollars that this election, that figure is probably flipped.
11.4.2008 11:52am
Ryan Waxx (mail):
Hearing (yes, hearing) one GOP operative loudly brag about how he;s going to challenge 'all of the voters' where he's working? That's annoying.


Annoying? OH NOES!!!
11.4.2008 12:01pm
Opher Banarie (mail) (www):
Since Obama wants to "resurrect" the Death Tax, don't you think the dead should be allowed to vote? Not allowing them to vote would be discrimination, and may be an example of using code words for Socialism.
11.4.2008 1:46pm
Hoosier:
Randy R.
I'm not too worried. Presumably, the dead people will vote for Obama. But only the brain-dead would vote for McCain, so I think their votes will just cancel each other out.

well, I guess that says it for me.

By the way, aren't you people supposed be, y'know, "tolerant" or somehting like that?
11.4.2008 1:57pm
Smokey:
Randy R:
As for the economy, recall that republicans controlled congress the entire time Clinton was president
That statement has all the accuracy of Randy R's other statements.
11.4.2008 5:20pm