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A Heartbeat Away:

The homepage of the town of Wasilla, Alaska (population 5469 as of the last census), has links to three news stories. The lead story, as you might expect, is that the town's former mayor, Sarah Palin, has been named John McCain's running mate. The second story announces the town's new website. The third advertises the "Baby and Me Lap Sit-Program at the Library."

Before serving as Wasila's mayor, Sarah Palin earned a B.A. at the University of Idaho, worked as a sports reporter for an Anchorage television station, and did commercial fishing with her husband.

At age 72, John McCain has already lived longer than his father, John McCain Jr., who died at age 70.

Sarah Palin looks like an interesting woman, but let's hope she doesn't have to stare down Vladimir Putin any time soon.

volokh groupie:
After Georgia, it's pretty obvious that Obama doesn't have the stones to 'stare down Putin' either.

Heck even W didn't. I only trust Biden and McCain to.
8.29.2008 2:34pm
Constantin:
[Insert community organizer zinger here.]
8.29.2008 2:35pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):
i don't know if you are aware of this but Obama or McCain would be the one staring down Putin. If would rather have Obama with Putin, thats your call, but...

strawman strawman go away.
8.29.2008 2:35pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):
also, whats up with the infrequent contributors coming out of the woodwork for the Palin pick?
8.29.2008 2:36pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
If she can take on Murkowski, Stevens, and Young on pork, she can take on Putin.
8.29.2008 2:36pm
Lyle (mail):
Before running for the Illinois legislator... Barack Obama was a "community activiist".

WaaWaaWeeWaa!!!
8.29.2008 2:37pm
The Unbeliever:
[Insert community organizer zinger here.]
String obligatory_Obama_zinger = new String("Maybe he could organize a community outreach program for Eastern European and Baltic states!);

println(obligatory_Obama_zinger);
8.29.2008 2:38pm
RSF677:
Similar to what David said, Palin has a reputation for taking on Big Oil in Alaska. If you agree with Obama's general take on things, Big Oil is about as dangerous and malevolent as Vladimir Putin.
8.29.2008 2:40pm
JB:
Has everyone forgotten the Monegan firing scandal?

This pick is a disaster. Not only is she the 1-term governor of a small state, but she's accused of having used that power for personal gain in the most petty of way. The Democrats will call this the "Keating and Monegan" ticket.
8.29.2008 2:40pm
Steve P. (mail):
also, whats up with the infrequent contributors coming out of the woodwork for the Palin pick?

It's kind of nice to see that there's more to the Conspiracy than Profs Volokh, Kerr, and Bernstein.
8.29.2008 2:44pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):


It's kind of nice to see that there's more to the Conspiracy than Profs Volokh, Kerr, and Bernstein.


I fully agree. I just hope they continue to contribute and aren't just getting their political digs in before returning to the status quo.
8.29.2008 2:48pm
The General:
and she STILL has more experience and more accomplishments than Obama. The brain dead Obots must be besides themselves!
8.29.2008 2:50pm
RPT (mail):
"If she can take on Murkowski, Stevens, and Young on pork [and Big Oil], she can take on Putin."......

How is she "taking them on?"
8.29.2008 2:51pm
Lyle (mail):
Has everyone forgotten the Monegan firing scandal?

This pick is a disaster. Not only is she the 1-term governor of a small state, but she's accused of having used that power for personal gain in the most petty of way. The Democrats will call this the "Keating and Monegan" ticket.


Anyone heard of Tpny Rezko and Bill Ayers?
8.29.2008 2:52pm
SeaLawyer:

Sarah Palin looks like an interesting woman, but let's hope she doesn't have to stare down Vladamir Putin any time soon.


I hope that no one has to stare Putin anytime soon, but if Sarah Palin does need to I am not worried it.
8.29.2008 2:53pm
Bill Twist:
Heh. My guess is that a moose-huntin' woman from Alaska isn't going to be too intimidated by Putin.
8.29.2008 2:57pm
great unknown (mail):
Don't compare "the Monegan Scandal" to Rezko, Wright, and Ayers.
"The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary." [from the Wikipedia article on Sarah Palin, where the reference is given].
If this is the best Palin-bashers can come up with, I can only feel sorry for Alaskans who are about to lose a great governor to the rest of the United States.
8.29.2008 3:03pm
Hoosier:
great unknown--The irony is that they are trying to hang sleaze around the neck of the woman who has trying to clean up the politics of Ted Stevansland.
8.29.2008 3:11pm
Lyle (mail):
<blockquote>Don't compare "the Monegan Scandal" to Rezko, Wright, and Ayers.
"The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary." [from the Wikipedia article on Sarah Palin, where the reference is given].
If this is the best Palin-bashers can come up with, I can only feel sorry for Alaskans who are about to lose a great governor to the rest of the United States.</blockquote>

You're right... I probably shouldn't, but that's because a fortiori Rezko, Ayers and Wright are much more serious errors in judgment.
8.29.2008 3:13pm
Jeff Leyser (mail):
Fascinating that every negative of Palin is countered with "Obama's worse!" Palin has no experience? Obama has less! Palin's caught up in a scandal? Obama has crappy friends, too.

No one wants to argue that those charges about Palin are wrong on the facts. Pretty telling.

What, exactly, does Palin add? Shouldn't a VP ticket bring something, anything, to the table?

Palin is as empty a choice as Qualye. McCain choose her to help shore up the base &to help get himself elected. She brings nothing I can see to a McCain Presidency.
8.29.2008 3:19pm
transfer student (mail):
Does Russ think that if she'd gone to Columbia and Harvard Law she'd be better prepared? Or is the suggestion that spending 4 years as senator is qualitatively different from 2 years as governor? (And I say "4 years" generously, given that Obama's spent the last 2 years running for president.)
8.29.2008 3:33pm
Obvious (mail):
"McCain choose her to help shore up the base &to help get himself elected."

STOP THE PRESSES!!
8.29.2008 3:35pm
buzz (mail):
"Not only is she the 1-term governor of a small state, but she's accused of having used that power for personal gain in the most petty of way. The Democrats will call this the "Keating and Monegan" ticket."

Did you not read your own link. God, I hope they do run with the Monegan "scandal". Heaven forbid someone would want a state trooper who drinks on duty, fired a taster at his 12 year old step-child and threatened to kill the governor father to be fired. That sounds like a winning argument to me. Talk about using power for personal gain. Run with that.
8.29.2008 4:33pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Has everyone forgotten the Monegan firing scandal?

This pick is a disaster. Not only is she the 1-term governor of a small state, but she's accused of having used that power for personal gain in the most petty of way.
I don't think the Democrats are going to gain much traction on this one. As I understand it, the scenario was like this: she fired the head of public safety -- something she had a legal right to do. After he was fired, he claimed that it was because he refused her demand that he fire a trooper who had (a) made death threats, (b) tasered a kid for kicks, and (c) had a somewhat spotty record generally. In other words, she allegedly fired the head of the police because he wouldn't fire a dirty cop. In other words, even if the accusation is true, it doesn't exactly look terrible for her.

Yes, said dirty cop was also going through a nasty divorce with her sister, so there's a conflict of interest, but I don't think people are going to be able to make much of it.
8.29.2008 4:33pm
someone:
This Korobkin character, whoever he is, is funny, but if we want an intelligent leftist presentation, surely the VC can do better.
8.29.2008 4:52pm
BobVDV2 (mail):
Sarah Palin is the Harriet Meiers of vice presidential picks.
8.29.2008 4:55pm
Chris 24601 (mail) (www):
Again with the no linking.
8.29.2008 4:57pm
Anderson (mail):
I don't think the Democrats are going to gain much traction on this one.

Agreed. As with Bill Clinton's lies under oath in the Lewinsky affair, I think most Americans will look at Palin's transgression (if it be such) &think, "hell, I woulda done the same thing."

The Dems' best hope is that Palin, given enough rope, will hang herself -- something about dinosaurs on the Ark, perhaps.
8.29.2008 4:59pm
Brock (mail):
Re: staring done Putin

1. Her nickname in high school was "the Barracuda."
2. She hunts (and bags) wild moose and incumbent Governors.
3. She is a female with young children to protect.

Between those three characteristics, I can see her being a very dangerous person for Putin or Iran to pick fights with.

Besides, if McCain kicks it and President Palin doesn't feel like she has the chops to make informed judgments on foreign policy or defense, she can always pick Joe Biden for her VP.
8.29.2008 5:43pm
SeaLawyer:

Besides, if McCain kicks it and President Palin doesn't feel like she has the chops to make informed judgments on foreign policy or defense, she can always pick Joe Biden for her VP.


Best comment today!
8.29.2008 5:49pm
Hoosier:
Re: Putin--

She's the only governor who shares a border with Russia. (OK. An archipelago. But "shares and archipelgo with" isn't really a phrase.)
8.29.2008 5:51pm
Lyle (mail):
Palin isn't a creationist actually. Her comments were that kids in school should be allowed to debate creationism versue evolution. She's on the record not supporting teaching creationism in schools.

Lets get that clear. Facts are kind of important in the legal profession.
8.29.2008 5:54pm
Lyle (mail):
Jeff Leyser,

She brings an outsider and a woman's perspective to the V.P. spot. You do realize Alaska is farther away from Washington, D.C. than Illinois is? And you do realize that no woman has ever been elected as a V.P.? She also has gotten to where she is independent of her husband's job, connections, or successes. Hell, John McCain can't even say that himself.

She also is the only candidate with anykind of executive office experience. And has been governor for as long as Abraham Lincoln was a congressman.
8.29.2008 6:01pm
Truthiness:
Wrong, Lyle.

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The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, 'Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'

See

See
8.29.2008 6:07pm
tommears (mail):
Is it just me or does McCain's selection of Sarah Palin feel like he's appointed the Mayor McDaniels of South Park to be his veep.

I'm just not sure that being Vice President of the United States is the next logical step in a political career that goes from the city council and mayor of a city of 5,500 hundred folks. Alaska is a beautiful state, but lets face facts there are more people living in Delaware than Alaska. Two years as governor there isn't the same as running Massachusetts, Minnesota, Florida or Louisiana. I'm sure she is a very nice person. I'm sure she exposes all the right positions on "Republican" issues. But, as critical as the GOP has been about Barack Obama's experience, I would have thought McCain would have picked someone with more substance.
8.29.2008 6:09pm
Lyle, you're just wrong, kiddo.:


'Creation science' enters the race
GOVERNOR: Palin is only candidate to suggest it should be discussed in schools.

By TOM KIZZIA
Anchorage Daily News

(Published: October 27, 2006)
The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

Her main opponents, Democrat Tony Knowles and Independent Andrew Halcro, said such alternatives to evolution should be kept out of science classrooms. Halcro called such lessons "religious-based" and said the place for them might be a philosophy or sociology class.

The question has divided local school boards in several places around the country and has come up in Alaska before, including once before the state Board of Education in 1993.

The teaching of creationism, which relies on the biblical account of the creation of life, has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court as an unconstitutional injection of religion into public education.

Last December, in a widely publicized local case, a federal judge in Pennsylvania threw out a city school board's requirement that "intelligent design" be mentioned briefly in science classes. Intelligent design proposes that biological life is so complex that some kind of intelligence must have shaped it.

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.

Palin has occasionally discussed her lifelong Christian faith during the governor's race but said teaching creationism is nothing she has campaigned about or even given much thought to.

"We're talking about the gas line and PERS/TERS," she said Thursday, referring to the proposed natural gas pipeline and public employee and teacher retirement systems.

The Republican Party of Alaska platform says, in its section on education: "We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory."

The issue of teaching an alternative to evolution has turned into an issue in the current race for governor in Michigan, where Republican Dick DeVos said he wanted to see students exposed to the idea of intelligent design.

In 1993 in Alaska, several Board of Education appointees of Gov. Wally Hickel considered adding creation science to the board's list of recommended scientific concepts. The idea was proposed by a member of the school board who taught at a private Christian school in Fairbanks. It failed on a 3-3 tie, with one school board member absent.

In 2003 a curriculum reform panel recommended leaving evolution out of the state requirements to avoid controversy. Their recommendation was accepted by the state Department of Education, but the state board -- which had the final say -- reinserted the term.

Current state regulations allow local districts to add their own curriculum beyond the minimum state requirements, said Department of Education spokesman Eric Fry. That would arguably include some form of creation science, he said.

"They couldn't promote religion, but it's OK to teach about religion," Fry said.

But efforts to bring such lessons to the science classroom would likely be subject to the same kind of constitutional challenge that blew up into a national controversy in Dover, Pa., last year. After a six-week trial, a Republican judge appointed by President George W. Bush concluded that intelligent design "advanced a particular version of Christianity" and did not belong in class.

Judge John E. Jones III said Darwin's theory of evolution was imperfect. "However, the fact that a scientific theory cannot yet render an explanation on every point should not be used as a pretext to thrust an untestable alternative hypothesis grounded in religion into the science classroom."

Palin said she thought there was value in discussing alternatives.

"It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there," she said in the interview. "They gain information just by being in a discussion."

That was how she was brought up, she said. Her father was a public school science teacher.

"My dad did talk a lot about his theories of evolution," she said. "He would show us fossils and say, 'How old do you think these are?' "

Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator."

She would not say whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

"I'm not going to pretend I know how all this came to be," she said.

Knowles was asked Thursday if he believed in a creator and, if so, how he reconciled that with evolution. Campaign spokeswoman Patty Ginsburg responded by e-mail: "Tony wants to stick by what he said last night -- creationism has no place in public school classrooms as an 'alternative' to evolution."

Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Billy Toien, the last candidate to answer the question about evolution at Wednesday's televised debate, posed a question of his own to moderator Michael Carey.

"My question is, who intelligently designed the intelligent designer?"

"I'm only the moderator, not a theologian," said Carey, moving on to the next topic.
8.29.2008 6:13pm
DD:
Does Russell Korobkin ever post anything useful on this site or is he here only to present Obama campaign talking points?
8.29.2008 6:15pm
Cold Warrior:
I like the pick, mostly because she seems to have a strong libertarian streak. Along those lines, there's one thing I'm curious about. She's being praised for deciding not to terminate her pregnancy when she discovered the child would have Down's Syndrome. So if this was a decision made knowingly, obviously she had consented to an amnio. And why would you consent to an amnio to test for DS unless you had considered (at least in a theoretical sense) the possibility of aborting the pregnancy if the test comes back positive? And if you considered that possibility, does it not follow that reasonable (and ethical) persons could differ on the morality of abortion under these circumstances? And wouldn't that be the proper lesson to draw from your own decision, since after all you could not have found the prospect of abortion morally repugnant in all cases?
8.29.2008 6:22pm
James Lindgren (mail):
Russell is one of the country's most brilliant and respected law professors.

And generally, people here shouldn't worry about why people are posting. Who cares about motivations of posters? Worry about their arguments.

I hope Russell keeps posting regularly.
8.29.2008 6:24pm
SANE (mail):
And Obama could face Putin? Or, Bush did? Or, Carter?

Why does coming from a small town in Alaska necessarily disqualify someone?

This is all more of the same elitism. Obama speaks of change. Well, Palin simply underscores that message. Obama speaks of reform. Palin has him beat on that score.

You might argue Palin's experience but you're on very shaky ground if you do so while suggesting Obama is one drop better. And of course the difference is one is running for the top spot; one for the second spot.
8.29.2008 6:35pm
Hoosier:
And why would you consent to an amnio to test for DS unless you had considered (at least in a theoretical sense) the possibility of aborting the pregnancy if the test comes back positive?

Or simply to be better prepared for that outcome? My wife had a rough pregnancy some years ago, and we had some tests done. We never considered abortion as an option. But we didn't want to be taken by surprise.
8.29.2008 6:35pm
EH (mail):
DD:
Does Russell Korobkin ever post anything useful on this site or is he here only to present Obama campaign talking points?


To be sure, this is different territory than his usual canards: legal baby-rape, putting rich people in the poorhouse and mandating free heroin to all schoolchildren, but have no fear that he'll return to calling anybody who disagrees with him a "Hitler-loving dillhole," once this Palin brouhaha passes.

A question in return, though: do you ever post anything useful?

I hope this information assuages your concerns, DD.
8.29.2008 6:36pm
EH (mail):
SANE: Were you paid in any way to post that?
8.29.2008 6:39pm
Mark E (mail):
Jeff (" She brings nothing I can see to a McCain Presidency." )

She may be the only reason that there might be a Mccain presidency.

FWIW, 9 voters in my immediate family just moved from the 'probably no way in hell' catagory to the 'well, maybe we'll vote for him if he doesn't eff us over again between now &November'.
8.29.2008 6:41pm
someone:

James Lindgren:

"Russell is one of the country's most brilliant and respected law professors.

"And generally, people here shouldn't worry about why people are posting. Who cares about motivations of posters? Worry about their arguments.

"I hope Russell keeps posting regularly."



Thing is, where's the argument in Russell's post? Russell appears to find it relevant that the website of the town of which Palin used to me mayor currently has an advertisment for something called ""Baby and Me Lap Sit-Program at the Library." Huh? The official website of the City of Los Angeles currently has a link to something called "The Great Southern California ShakeOut." So what?

Meanwhile, Russell's post doesn't even mention that Palin is currently governor of Alaska. That sorta seems like Palin's most impressive qualification, no? I'm sorry, but I can't take Russell's post seriously.
8.29.2008 6:49pm
Cold Warrior:
Hoosier, I'm not buying that "amnio just to know" thing. I would buy "the doc said it's standard for a woman of your age" so she did it without really thinking about what she would do if the amnio came back positive.

Which is probably what most women do. Which is my point: we don't really know how we'll react to such theoretical choices until they become real choices demanding real decisions. Which implies a moral ambiguity rather than a certainty regarding a universal truth. Which implies that a different woman when faced with the same choice might reach a different conclusion. Which demands something other than a doctrinaire anti abortion in all cases position.
8.29.2008 7:02pm
KeithK (mail):
Honest question. Putting aside the remote possibility of a bullet, what is the likelihood of a 71/72 year old man dying during a four year presidential term? Two terms? H has had previous health issues although none to my knowledge have been life threatening (the cancer was caught early enough). As President he would have about the best medical assessments and treatments available. On the other hand, POTUS is about the most stressful job around.

anyone know what the mean life expectancy for a 70+ year white man is? I suspect it's probably in the 80's at this point although there's probably a big spread. Among former Presidents Johnson is the last one who didn't make it into his eighties (excepting Clinton, of course). Before him, Ike was 79, Truman 85 and Hoover 90.
8.29.2008 7:12pm
James Lindgren (mail):
Lyle,

Thanks for the info on "creation science." I wondered what that was all about. Pretty silly idea of science, isn't it?

It's even (much) less scientific than "An Inconvenient Truth," which is bad enough.

Jim Lindgren
8.29.2008 7:22pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Wanna take bets on whether John McCain's mom can beat up Joe Biden's mom?
8.29.2008 7:24pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Regarding the supposed scandal re Trooper Wooten, the scandal is why this miscreant is still wearing a badge:

"The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession," Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days.

....

Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:

* Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.

* He illegally shot a moose.

* He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.

* He told others his father-in-law [Palin's father] would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.

Beyond the investigation sparked by the family, trooper commanders saw cause to discipline or give written instructions to correct Wooten seven times since he joined the force, according to Grimes' letter to Wooten.


Wooten's still on the job. Monegan, who was a political appointee of the previous (ethically impaired) governor who served at the pleasure of the current one, was offered another government job, but Gov. Palin felt he was insufficiently committed to anti-alcohol initiatives of her administration.

This "scandal" is likely to create more Palin fans. It certainly hasn't hurt her standing in Alaska, where the "scandal" hasn't impaired her 90% approval ratings. (They recognize this as all bunk, fomented by Andrew Halcrow, a classic sour-grapes loser and rental car agency owner whom Gov. Palin soundly whipped in the 2006 election.)

Of course, if you'd rather line up in favor of the admitted child abuser with a badge, who a used deadly fire arm in a crime and Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson in between making death threats, then by all means, do so: The line forms on the FAR LEFT.
8.29.2008 7:35pm
Cold Warrior:
Keithk

Life tables say a 72 to male has 11.59 years. Your mileage will vary. A
And that says nothing about healthy, nondementia years. See Reagan, Ronald Wilson.
8.29.2008 7:36pm
Mike Keenan:
I think these argument from Professor Korobkin are not the kind that will serve the Obama camp well. They need to attack her on the issues and refrain from the personal attacks.
8.29.2008 7:36pm
Lyle (mail):
James,

You're simply ignorant of the facts. She's on record as not supporting creationism being put in Alaska's school curriculum. SHE ISN'T FOR CREATIONISM IN SCHOOLS!!! SHE'S FOR EVOLUTION!!!

Do you understad that?

She made an off the cuff comment about debating about creationism and evolution. Shall "scietific creationism" go the way of "nigger" and never be uttered in public discourse?

If you're a lawyer or law professor I hope you aren't judging someone on a soundbite.
8.29.2008 7:43pm
Lyle (mail):
James... Lyle, Kiddo, You're wrong,

Her on air comments about creationism in schools were clarified by her afterwards. She stated that she would not support having "creationism" as part of Alaska's school curriculum. That means she for Evolution is schools and not "creationism".

Like I said before. Lets understand the facts.
8.29.2008 7:52pm
jbb:
@astrangerwithcandy:

How is it a strawman when he clearly is saying that he hopes that, if elected, Sen. McCain serves his full term and Palin is not elevated to the presidency?

@David M. Nieporent:

Despite the fact that she advocated for the Bridge to Nowhere (yeah, she explicitly lied today) and has repeatedly stated that she is upset that Alaska has had a reduction in earmarks due to the "inaccurate portrayals" of Sen. Stevens's pork-barrelling? Please actually read about what someone has done and said before spouting off what amounts to nonsense.
8.29.2008 8:13pm
Sam Draper (mail):
How can these topics be anything but sexism? Palin could not stare down Putin while Obama could? I find that laughable.

And Palin is not at the top of the ticket.
8.29.2008 8:52pm
NYU JD:
@Cold Warrior

There are other things that can be done with a prenatal child with a genetic defect than have the child or abort. In some cases, there can be prenatal treatment (not a cure, obviously, but treatment); it also may be useful to know in advance if any special precautions need to be taken immediately after birth. There are plenty of good, not abortion-related reasons to have an amnio; your point doesn't stand.
8.29.2008 9:17pm
snelson (mail):
They have real Kodiak bears in Alaska, and moose-hunters run into them. After staring up at a Kodiak, looking down on Putin won't be a challenge.
8.29.2008 9:38pm
Jeff Leyser (mail):
Mark E:

FWIW, 9 voters in my immediate family just moved from the 'probably no way in hell' catagory to the 'well, maybe we'll vote for him if he doesn't eff us over again between now &November'.


Why? I'm seriously asking, what do these 9 people see in her that make them want to vote McCain?

I would guess it's the fact that she's a woman. OK, fair enough. But is that it?
8.29.2008 9:52pm
Greg Q (mail) (www):
Jeff Leyser babbled:
Fascinating that every negative of Palin is countered with "Obama's worse!" ...
No one wants to argue that those charges about Palin are wrong on the facts. Pretty telling.


Jeff (and Russell),

If you will explain to us how Obama is more qualified than Palin, then I'll be happy to argue the qualifications issue with you.

If you want to actually argue that Obama (who supported the Chigago Machine candidate in a 2006 election, both in the Primary and in the General election) is less corrupt than Palin (who defeated the Republican "machine candidate" in the Republican Primary in order to become Gov., and who has been supporting other Republican Primary opponents to corrupt Republicans like Don Young), why, then, I'll be happy to argue the corruption issue with you.

But, if you're really going to try to make the case that voters shouldn't support McCain because Palin is only as good a candidate asObama, I'm just going to laugh at you.
8.29.2008 11:52pm
David Warner:
Korobkin,

Is there a reason you left out Gov. Palin's substantive accomplishments - not just experience, but accomplishments - in your original post? Is this how one upholds the academic traditions of your profession?
8.30.2008 12:25am
TCO:
I'll take Palin over the crapista Democrats and Republicans of the Congress. Heck, she's even got me remembering good things about McCain who I had written off. The rest of you have fun with Republicans that spend more then Democrats and Democrats who vote for Repuke wars they don't agree with. She even thinks Ron Paul is cool. Fuck Putin. She'll put a bullet in his skull.
8.30.2008 1:04am
Ken Pierce (mail):
Cold Warrior, you have the right to refuse to buy a perfectly reasonable explanation that is, as a matter of fact, PRECISELY the reason my wife and I had tests done even though I used to M-C the big annual fundraiser for the local Down Syndrome charity, and even though abortion was not within miles of the kitchen, much less on the table. When engaged couples seek pre-marital counseling, is it your assumption they are secretly arming themselves for divorce?

But still, don't buy it if it makes you feel better to be a cynic.
8.30.2008 3:36am
Damiano (mail):
No worries here.

Worst case scenario, anyone on earth is better than Obama. I say this in the nicest way possible, but the best thing that could happen to a President Obama is for him to drop dead on inauguration day from a heat attack. At least concern would be reduced to Biden telling Putin that he thought all Russians drink vodka for breakfast, or some similar gaffe.

But I have full confidence in Palin. If she can overrun both the Republican and Democratic parties in AK, run the establishment out of town, stand up to Congress on polar bears and useless bridges and negotiate a pipeline with Canada, she'll be fine. Plus, she's got the best coach in politics only an oval office away.
8.30.2008 4:41am
Duncan Frissell (mail):
Sarah Palin looks like an interesting woman, but let's hope she doesn't have to stare down Vladimir Putin any time soon.

At least she's killed more things than Barack. That's good foreign policy experience.
8.30.2008 5:58am
LM (mail):
Damiano:

I say this in the nicest way possible, but the best thing that could happen to a President Obama is for him to drop dead on inauguration day from a heat (sic) attack.

I suppose you could have wished for him to be lynched. Or even eaten alive by wolverines. So yes, I can see where you'd think hoping he'll drop dead of a heart attack is pretty sporting of you.

Now let me say this in the nicest way possible. You're a disgrace. I feel soiled by even this much contact with you.
8.30.2008 7:37am
Lyle, your denial runeth over...:

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."


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Deny it all you want, Lyle, but she said: "Teach both." There is nothing left to debate about where Palin stands on the issue of teaching creationism in Alaska (and presumably all) schools.

Unless you can direct me to the "clarification" you allege Palin issued, I'll consider this discussion over, and you pwn3d.
8.30.2008 11:34am
TDPerkins (mail):
Hey Lyle, ydro, you're wrong

Or shouldn't that be pwn3d.


From here
:


In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."


Yours, TDP, ml, msl, &pfpp
8.30.2008 1:44pm
Tether:

Russell is one of the country's most brilliant and respected law professors.


Is that on one of DC Comics' Alternate Earths? Because on this one he's just another professor who thinks highly of himself, with the requisite admirers like yourself of course. I did google his name.. ~19k .. for comparison, Professor Volokh is ~120k .. Disregarding the fact that I've read some of Korobkin's work and don't find him "brilliant", I can't see how one can be so respected without also seeing the requisite level of references in google.



And generally, people here shouldn't worry about why people are posting. Who cares about motivations of posters? Worry about their arguments.


That's quite interesting. I've noticed that some posters seem to think it's OK to question the motivations of those that question them. Why shouldn't it be OK then to question the motivations of the posters?



I hope Russell keeps posting regularly.


Seeing that he is much more concerned with his campaigning for obama than anything else, IF we see him again I'm sure it will be more of this drivel.

BUT, if he actually starts posting about law and such, I will take that sentence back. I clearly don't think he's the mind you think he is, but I invite his legal thoughts and ideas. I don't need the political ads.
8.30.2008 2:08pm
Tether:

Sarah Palin looks like an interesting woman, but let's hope she doesn't have to stare down Vladimir Putin any time soon.


Seriously? Let's be honest here: The only one of these four that Putin will probably have any respect for is McCain. And that will only be because of his military service. That will get him in the door. Then he'll need to man-up to ensure Putin will see him as an equal he can't just push around.

The other three are toast. Bush and Putin both came in around the same time, and managed to strike up an actual friendship. That's not going to happen for anyone else, especially since now Putin is in a position of leverage.

It's important to remember that at the end of the day, Putin is on par with a mobster. If you're a friend, there's benefits. If you can give him something, he may play with you. But if he sees you're weak, he'll run over you without a second thought. To not recognize this, and to reject this reality, is the height of foolishness.
8.30.2008 2:18pm
LM (mail):
Tether:

Russell is one of the country's most brilliant and respected law professors.

Is that on one of DC Comics' Alternate Earths? Because on this one he's just another professor who thinks highly of himself, with the requisite admirers like yourself of course.

Would you say something like this if you were posting under your full real name? Or if one of these professors was your next door neighbor? Those aren't rhetorical questions. I'm really curious, so I hope you'll answer.
8.30.2008 3:00pm
Tether:

Would you say something like this if you were posting under your full real name?


If we lived in a world where there was no risk that something I said would be used against my employer, I would certainly have no issue putting my name behind anything I say. For instance, if I retire, or if I worked for myself, I would not have an issue with it. But as long as I'm on someone else's dime, I certainly won't risk their dime on my thoughts :)

Seeing the large number of others, including yourself, who don't post with a full name or sign their posts with their full name, I suspect this is a pretty common feeling. And I don't personally see anything wrong with it. 10 or so years back you could post something from your employer with little concern that anyone took what you said as anything but what you said. Nowadays that's sadly not the case.
8.30.2008 3:30pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
McCain's grandfather died of a heart attack at age 61; his father died of a heart attack at age 70. With a family history of heart disease, it would be reassuring to know how McCain's heart is doing.

Short of dropping dead, another age-related concern I have is dementia. This can be produced by multiple small strokes as well as Alzheimer's. If the (wild) rumors are true, Wilson became senile in office; his senility was covered up by his wife, who became the virtual President.

Strokes can hit anyone of any age -- Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones died recently of a brain aneurysm at just 58. A stroke would incapacitate McCain even if it didn't kill him.
8.30.2008 4:30pm
LM (mail):
Tether,

Thanks. And no, I certainly wasn't criticizing anonymous posting. I'd be pretty silly to do that.
8.31.2008 2:12am
RH Robinson,MD (mail):
Palin is as empty a choice as Qualye - Yeah, Lloyd Bentsen really nailed Dan Quayle during the V.P. debate! How'd that work out for you, Lloyd?

Cold Warrior:
As far as prenatal testing for Down's syndrome goes, Before consenting to an amniocentesis Mrs. Palin would likely have been screened with the "triple test"
(AFP, bHCG, uE3) and perhaps inhibin A as well prior to recommending an amniocentesis. Given her age and correlated with the fetal age these can indicate the level of risk to be perhaps in the range of 1 in 5 (20% chance of the child having Down's) leading perhaps to her decision to proceed with the more invasive test.

As she said in a recent interview:
"I was grateful to have all those months to prepare. I can't imagine the moms that are surprised at the end. I think they have it a lot harder. "


As for McCain's life expectancy a bit of perspective is in order-
Obama's father died at age 46 and his mother at age 52. He is 47. Maybe Joe Biden will need to plagiarize an oath of office.
8.31.2008 3:49am
Tony Tutins (mail):

Obama's father died at age 46 and his mother at age 52. He is 47. Maybe Joe Biden will need to plagiarize an oath of office.

The lifespan of Obama's parents lacks predictive power: Obama's father died in a car wreck; his mother died of ovarian cancer. At his age, Obama is unlikely to get testicular cancer. As long as he keeps his seatbelt buckled he should be all right.
8.31.2008 2:05pm