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Sarah Who?

I've always admired John McCain (though I have to say, in the interests of full disclosure, that I'm not voting for him this Fall); he was, by far, my favorite among the Republicans seeking the nomination, and I was delighted that he prevailed. I have to say, though, that his choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate is appalling and insulting to the American people. Perhaps it will turn out to be a political masterstroke, "energizing the base" and garnering lots of disaffected Clinton supporters; perhaps not. But to my mind, as a voter, the sole criterion for evaluating a candidate's VP choice is whether or not the candidate has picked someone who can plausibly be viewed as presidential timber and, no disrespect intended to Ms. Palin, who was apparently a decent mayor of Wasilla AK (pop. 9,000) and who has been serving as governor of Alaska for all of two years, McCain has failed miserably on that score. His recent complaints that Obama is too inexperienced to be President are not only fatally undercut by this choice, they look downright idiotic now -- coming from someone who would put Gov. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency. It is the grossest form of pandering -- what happened to "putting your country first"? This choice puts McCain's candidacy first and the fate of the country a very distant second, and he should be, and Ihope he is, punished by the electorate for having made it.

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David Who?:
I know who Sarah Palin is. I have no idea who David Post is. And I have no idea who you are. But neither you nor I have been nominated for the vice presidency. DavidP
8.29.2008 2:07pm
William Wallace:
More lord barry talking points?

You have got to be kidding me.

Palin was an outstanding choice. In fact, she has more executive experience than "the one" and Crazy Joe Biden COMBINED.
8.29.2008 2:08pm
J. Aldridge:
So David, you prefer a Washington insider do you? Not at all. I prefer someone who has had some experience doing the kinds of things Presidents do, and who has been in the public spotlight long enough so that we can rest assured they are not flakes, or incompetents, and that they will not collapse under pressure. Maybe it's just me, but the President of the United States has to do some pretty difficult things -- leading a nation of 250 million people, figuring out what to do about immigration policy and nuclear weapons in Iran, talk face-to-face with Vladimir Putin about Russian tanks in Georgia. Sarah Palin seems like a smart and talented woman -- but I have absolutely no reason to think she could perform any of these tasks, or the thousands of others like them, well (or even, "not laughably badly"). DavidP
8.29.2008 2:09pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):

His recent complaints that Obama is too inexperienced to be President are not only fatally undercut by this choice, they look downright idiotic now -- coming from someone who would put Gov. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency



i agree that Palin wasn't the best choice. but the harsh tone you take against the pick juxtaposed against Obama and his 2 years of senate experience before he started running for president, seems "downright idiotic"
also, you don't think picking Biden undercuts Obama's claim that his inexperience is overplayed?

someone commented that the comments looked like free republic in the other thread...i guess welcome to the daily kos post.
8.29.2008 2:10pm
Jane (mail):
I differ with you, David. I have rarely been impressed with McCain. But I am delighted with this pick. There's a little risk here, but I am optimistic.

And I am a "independant" (defined as registered as neither Republican nor Democrate) female.
8.29.2008 2:12pm
Milhouse (www):
Huh? Because you don't want someone with only 2 years as a governor sitting on the reserve bench, you'll vote for someone with 4 years in the Senate to actually be president? Or are you talking about Barr, with no executive experience either? Palin has more relevant experience than Obama, Biden, McCain, Barr and Root combined!
8.29.2008 2:14pm
The Unbeliever:
I fail to see how having Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the Presidency is a better option than Palin. When the known option is Biden-caliber, I suspect many Americans would be willing to take a chance on the unknown quantity.
8.29.2008 2:15pm
Carolina:
Palin's 2 years of executive experience is 2 more than Obama has.
8.29.2008 2:16pm
KeithK (mail):
There clearly are more qualified people that McCain could have picked. But it's hardly an "appalling and insulting" choice. She is a state governor after all. It's not like she picked me (I'm finally eligible and no one even vetted me!)

Aside from the female angle I think the pick is intended to get some traction on energy issues. According to polls support for drilling has increased significantly this summer. As governor of Alaska she's been very involved in the oil exploration issue and is well positioned )from the pro perspective) to argue the issue. And you'd be comfortable if, on January 22, 2009, President McCain has a heart attack and she becomes president? I must say, nothing that anyone has posted has reassured me on that score. DavidP
8.29.2008 2:16pm
darelf:
I think that Obama as the nominee of any major party is "downright idiotic" and "insulting". Palin is practically a seasoned statesman compared to Obama.

Would McCain/Palin have been my choice if I could have just picked from any of the original candidates? Hell No! But that's not the choice I'm faced with. The choice I'm faced with is McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden. That's not even a choice. That's like asking if you want to be punched in the groin by a 5-year-old or be crushed by Mt. Rushmore falling on you.
8.29.2008 2:17pm
VincentPaul (mail):
Yes, just who is David Post?
8.29.2008 2:18pm
Lyle (mail):
Dude... she has more political experience than Barack Obama does.

And neither Obama, Biden or McCain has ever been an executive of anything; not a town, not even a state.
8.29.2008 2:18pm
The Dude (mail):
Are you serious?

She's at least as experienced as Obama, at least, but she's going to be VP, not P. That's a huge difference.
8.29.2008 2:19pm
SKardner (mail):
I think that Obama as the nominee of any major party is "downright idiotic" and "insulting".


Obamam ran his campaign and vanquished the Clintons, winning more votes than any primary candidate in history. Palin was just picked. Totally different. Um, Obama won on merit. Palin is an affirmative-action pick.
8.29.2008 2:19pm
Hoosier:
So what do you make of the Democratic presidential nominee?

I agree that she has little experience. But she is comparable in that regard to Obama. Why is the selection of Palin as number 2 inexcusable?
8.29.2008 2:20pm
anon101:
Thank you.

And for those who are saying Palin has more relevant experience than Obama (and Biden) -- are you kidding?
8.29.2008 2:20pm
iwg2:
Quien es el David Post?
8.29.2008 2:21pm
John Burgess (mail) (www):
Consider me exceptionally un-insulted. As a Republican since Nixon-1, I'm thrilled with his pick. She fills in the gaps McCain left open.

Methinks Mr. Post is not qualified to speak for Republicans.
8.29.2008 2:21pm
Hoosier:
SKardner

And winning a campaign makes him the "best qualified" candidate for the presidency?

Come on. You need to do better than that.
8.29.2008 2:21pm
Lyle (mail):
This also may not be about winning this campaign... but setting up a Palin/Jindal or Jindal/Palin campaign in 2012 or 2016.

Unlike Barack Obama, Jindal isn't even half white and Republicans will vote for him in droves.
8.29.2008 2:22pm
Crunchy Frog:
Palin, even before governor, had a long history of fighting corruption in the cesspool that is Alaska politics, including putting the kibosh on Ted Stevens' Bridge To Nowhere. Imagine her playing the traditional attack dog role in exposing Obama's seedy roots in Chicago.

Three weeks ago I'd never heard of her, but the more I hear of her background, the more I like her. That in itself is a refreshing change.
8.29.2008 2:22pm
Alaska:
As someone who knows a bit about Sarah, and who has met her on several occasions, I think there is good and bad about the pick. I say this as a registered libertarian who generally does not vote.

The bad is that Sarah is somewhat of a populist. Also, she does not have a great deal of experience. However, while she may have been governor of this state for two years, the majority of those two years have been spent negotiating complex oil contracts for building a natural gas pipeline.

I tend to think of her lack of political experience, though, as also a positive. Far too often we are offered political choices of people who have surrounded themselves with lackeys and brown-nosers. This is a woman who drives herself to work every day in her own car. She also has stood up for ethical government, getting a former attorney general fired for shady business dealings on the state dime.

One thing I like about the choice is that Sarah is a real person, not an image polished by handlers to be put out for public approval. I think that the McCain camp is specifically reaching for disaffected Hillary votes. That is particularly clear by the reference to the union membership in both McCain's intro and her speech.
8.29.2008 2:24pm
Hoosier:
anaon: And for those who are saying Palin has more relevant experience than Obama (and Biden) -- are you kidding?

Biden--no way.

Obama--No. But it is a wash.

He had ONE year expereince as an active federal legislator. (2005) After that, he campaigned furiously for Democrats (2006), and for Obama (Nov. 2006-now).

This is just empirically verifiable data. Again, Palin and Obama--No significant difference in level of experience.
8.29.2008 2:24pm
Mike Keenan:
I will probably vote for McCain, but my first reaction was the same: appalling and insulting. But, she will have the chance to prove herself (to some extent) over the next few months.
8.29.2008 2:24pm
Mike W:
I tend to agree with this author rather than those pointing out Pailin has two years of experience as governor of Alaska. Two years as governor of Alaska does not given one much relevant executive experience even if you compare it to 0. McCain's arguments just sound hypocritical now. This might not be true for another candidate, but McCain is in his 70s. Most people will probably look a bit harder at a VP candidate of a 70 year-old first term presidential candidate.

Besides, isn't she being investigated? That can't be a good thing.
8.29.2008 2:25pm
Robert Lutton:
Crunchy, I suppose you really like the part about how she got her brother-in-law fired as a state trooper? Yeah that would be a refreshing change from Cheney.
8.29.2008 2:26pm
Hoosier:
Lyle--I've wondered about that myself. The other possibility: McCain makes Michael Steele, say, Commerce Secretary. Perhaps UN Ambassador.

Then Palin/Steele?

Wouldn't that be crazy?
8.29.2008 2:26pm
MarkField (mail):

I agree that she has little experience. But she is comparable in that regard to Obama. Why is the selection of Palin as number 2 inexcusable?


I think this is what the post is getting at:

Many commenters here, including you, have criticized what you characterize as Obama's lack of qualifications to be President. The selection of Palin undercuts those arguments because she's no more "qualified" than Obama (or if you want to argue there's "more" there, I'd argue the distinction is trivial). Yet McCain obviously thinks she IS qualified because (a) he chose her to fill a position in which her most important Constitutional role is to be ready to take over the office of President; and (b) McCain is older and has serious health issues, such that she might very well have to.
8.29.2008 2:27pm
Jeff Leyser (mail):
"Palin's 2 years of executive experience is 2 more than Obama has."

How many years of "executive experience" does McCain have?
8.29.2008 2:27pm
Gene Vilensky (mail) (www):
SKardner:

How do you know people weren't "voting" for affirmative action reasons. Lots of people were excited about Obama because he was black. The Democratic party let him speak at their convention four years ago because he was young and black and spoke well. He admits he probably got to go to Harvard Law because of affirmative action (turned out to be a good decision as he graduated with high grades and Harvard Law Review). I know lots of white liberals voting for him because he's black and it would be good for the country. So what? People used to pick VP's based on what part of the country they'll bring on board. Is that affirmative action? How is the Palin any choice any different? Please.

And I'm not even sure yet if I like the choice of Palin.
8.29.2008 2:28pm
CJS (mail):
So seriously, the lack of experience in the VP candidate, who is a heartbeat away from the presidency, is more important than the lack of experience in the man who actually would be president? That strikes me as odd.

Particularly given that she has executive experience, which all three others lack (unless you count McCain's experience as an officer, but he was a pilot, not a unit leader), and given that she would have the opportunity to learn on the job, I think this is a very amusing line of attack, and one that gives lie to how much this pick will hurt Obama.
8.29.2008 2:32pm
ddr (mail):
Obama's Illinois state senate district had more people than Alaska.
8.29.2008 2:32pm
Wayne Jarvis:
God, I hate to play this card.

But if McCain would have pick Jindal, would there be the same level of "disgust"? You may think Jindal lacks a ton of experience but would these same people be treating him like a total lightweight? Would it have been "insulting" for McCain to have selected Jindal?

Just curious.
8.29.2008 2:34pm
Hoosier:
MarkField

I know our posts have crossed chronologically. And I appreciate your serious response. But above I made it clear that I DON'T think she is MORE experienced than Obama. That issue is a wash.

As to "undercutting" McCain's position: If you mean Obama backers will use it to try to undercut McCain's criticisms of Obama's inexperience, then you may be right. That's an empirical question. We'll have to wait and see if it works.

If you mean ON SUBSTANCE it undercuts McCain, I have to disagree: We really only have two choices of tickets. One has the inexperienced member "one heartbeat away." The other's IS the "heartbeat." If the Bull Moose Party were fielding a third ticket, with two expereinced candidates, then this would hurt McCain's case.

But again, since there are not other electable candidates, the GOP ticket can still use Obama's lack of experience without a bad conscience.
8.29.2008 2:34pm
Uthaw:
She hunts! She fishes! She's hot! She has five kids! What is there not to love?
8.29.2008 2:34pm
KD:
Eevn for this Republican, McCain cannot possibly argue that Palin is ready to be President and Barack Obama is not. That's just absurd.
8.29.2008 2:35pm
David Chesler (mail) (www):
Readers of Radley Balko's The Agitator have known Sarah Who for two weeks now.

I'm awfully confused right now. If McCain had picked my former governor, Romney, I'd have been inclined to hold my nose and vote Republican. (For now, I plan to close my eyes to this year's yellow dog and vote Libertarian.)
I'd rather look at Palin than Cheney, and I'd rather have her (not) running a shadow government.
The heartbeat-away things is troublesome, but I'm thinking about Reagan (who certainly had the experience, but not necessarily the abilty to execute, but who had his own charisma, and knew how to pick a cabinet.)
Palin leading, sharing decision-making with the late McCain's cabinet? I think I'd rather see that than Obama, and it's only a contingency anyway. (My biggest nightmare out of that is if she skirts the Constitution [no differently than how we got Ford] to hand over the reins to somebody more suited to the office.)
8.29.2008 2:35pm
pluribus:
I think the pick tells us more about McCain than Palin. It was reported (perhaps here at VC) that McCain is a gambler. He likes to go to Vegas and play craps for high stakes. Palin is a crap shoot. Somebody brighter than I am said the first rule of picking a VP nominee is don't pick another Dan Quayle, meaning don't pick somebody who is generally perceived to be unqualified to serve as president. McCain's gamble here will reveal whether Governor Palin is another Quayle. Palin has been governor four about a year and a half. I wonder how long McCain has known her.
8.29.2008 2:35pm
David Chesler (mail) (www):
Uthaw for threadwinner.
8.29.2008 2:36pm
I_hate_politics:
Experience and ability in a VP are kind of like SAT scores getting into college. There is a floor, that you use as a cutoff. But everyone above the floor is acceptable. 2 years as a governor may be near the floor, but coupled with local politics, and the ethics commission positions (and the political experience garnered there) suits me.

IMHO, from the acceptable list, a good presidential candidate should pick someone most likely to govern the same in the case the president falls. Continuity in policy serves the electorate the best, since they get to vote once per 4 years, and the elevation of the VP should not signal an unelected sea-change in policy.

Are there others that have more experience? Yup. Are they likely to significantly change the direction of the bus if elevated to president in mid-term? Yup. In the event of the loss of a sitting president, I'd rather have less experience (within reason) and more continuity than the reverse.
8.29.2008 2:37pm
Swamp Fox:
What a surprise, that the most liberal member of the Conspiracy and the clerk of one of the most liberal members of the Supreme Court doesn't plan to vote for McCain and doesn't like his choice of VP. Indeed, in a demonstration of his prejudiced view of the presidential race, he criticizes the Republican's choice for VP for a lack of experience, but where is his criticism of the democratic party for nominating someone for President who "lacks presidential timber." Moreover, how is it pandering for the Republicans to nominate a woman, but not pandering for Democratics to rig their nomination process to favor an African-American? How is this more pandering than the democrats' nomination of Ferraro?

Unfortunately, this post is typical of david's unthought-out posting style where he presents some illogical argument to support his pre-existing opinions and serves as further proof that he is the most underperforming member of the Conspiracy..
8.29.2008 2:38pm
David Chesler (mail) (www):
negotiating complex oil contracts for building a natural gas pipeline.

Explain to me how this is not like bringing a gun to a knifefight? Or using the Army to build dams?
8.29.2008 2:38pm
ddr (mail):
She hunts! She fishes! She's hot! She has five kids! What is there not to love?

She's a Republican?

And a creationist to boot?
8.29.2008 2:39pm
MarkField (mail):

But again, since there are not other electable candidates, the GOP ticket can still use Obama's lack of experience without a bad conscience.


As you say, we'll see how this plays out. I suspect those attacks won't resonate very well from now on.
8.29.2008 2:44pm
Lyle (mail):


Lyle—I've wondered about that myself. The other possibility: McCain makes Michael Steele, say, Commerce Secretary. Perhaps UN Ambassador.

Then Palin/Steele?

Wouldn't that be crazy?

Could be. This could McCain's and others efforts to help re-organize the Republican Party.


8.29.2008 2:44pm
Mike Keenan:
I read the following interesting quote on Dan Quayle's wikipedia page:

Dan Quayle was chosen to appeal to a younger generation of Americans and his good looks were praised by Senator John McCain, who said "I can't believe a guy that handsome wouldn't have some impact."

Same dynamic at work here?
8.29.2008 2:45pm
Mark Butler (mail):
That is exactly what soon-to-be President Seward told the convention in Chicago when they came to their senses and avoided disaster by refusing to nominate that one-term state legislator, one-term failed congressman, perennial loser Abraham Lincoln.
8.29.2008 2:46pm
pluribus:
This has no relevance to Palin's qualifications, to be sure--but perhaps some peripheral interest. I vsied the Alaska State Capitol in Juneau a month ago and was appalled. It was built in the late 1920s by the federal government for the territorial government, and it is a total dump. Not as good as the average county courthouse in another state. With all the oil revenue the State of Alsaka is paying its citizens, couldn't they hold a few millions back to build a decent capitol? I came away with the impression that Alaskans have very little respect for their state government. Please be clear--this tells us nothing about Palin or her qualifications, but it does tell us something about Alaska state government.
8.29.2008 2:46pm
Lyle (mail):
As you say, we'll see how this plays out. I suspect those attacks won't resonate very well from now on.


... but it will for a week or so, because everytime the media highlights Palin's experience they're highlighting Obama's inexperience as well.

David Gergen just said on CNN how inexperienced both Barack Obama and Sarah Palin are, both nationally and internationally.

Haha.
8.29.2008 2:47pm
I_hate_politics:
pluribus, you found the state capitol, and it works.... what else does it need to do? Why does everyone want a Taj Mahal? I am sick and tired of wasteful spending on palaces by government bureaucrats.
8.29.2008 2:53pm
alkali (mail):
@pluribus: There is sort of an odd issue with Alaska's state government which may explain the conditions of the state buildings in Juneau. If I have this right, there has been a movement going on for at least thirty years to move the state capital from Juneau, a tiny city on the Panhandle, to or near Anchorage, the city which has more than half of the state's population. Non-Anchorage types have resisted. In the meantime, nothing new gets built.
8.29.2008 2:54pm
The General:
according to Obama, Washington experience is the wrong kind of experience, so Palin is overqualified. Being a community agitator doesn't make one qualified for the presidency either..not that he accomplished shit while doing that.

You're gonna vote for Obama, despite his inexperience, lack of qualifications and accomplishments. Palin has actually accomplished more in her career than Obama, so you might want to rethink that stance. She fought corrupt politics in Alaska. Obama joined the corrupt Chicago political machine.

As David Brooks wrote this morning,
"Barack Obama loves the future because that's where all his accomplishments are."


Amen to that.
8.29.2008 2:55pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):
this may be a non-sensical ramble, but...

i don't think mccain could hammer at obama's inexperience the entire campaign without boring voters and causing a bit of a backlash. (there are only so many times you can put obama in an ad with britney spears). maybe mccain's camp feels the inexperience attack has done its job and they can begin to hammer at something else now...given the appeal this pick might have with disillusioned hillary supporters.
8.29.2008 2:56pm
Deo Vindice:

How many years of "executive experience" does McCain have?


C O M M A N D E R in the UNITED STATES NAVY.
8.29.2008 2:56pm
SeaLawyer:

Crunchy, I suppose you really like the part about how she got her brother-in-law fired as a state trooper? Yeah that would be a refreshing change from Cheney.


Seeing as that did not happen, what's your point?
8.29.2008 2:58pm
srg:
Who cares what David Gergen thinks?
8.29.2008 2:58pm
CVD:
Professor Post makes a terrible argument. There's no reason to believe that "experience" makes for better presidents. There's no reason that lack of experience in a VP is "insulting".

Moreover, in fairness, it's not legitimate to make the argument when Obama for President. Her experience outweighs his. If you don't like, or McCain, that's fine - neither do I. So let's stick to legitimate arguments against him.
8.29.2008 3:00pm
Pon Raul (mail):
David Post -- Aren't you the guy that supported the bill saying that insurance companies can't charge different prices based on known risks? Without even addressing the obvious problems with that position. You certainlly are a hack Obama supporter.
8.29.2008 3:01pm
r78:
Palin is the perfect pro-life Republican candidate.

She decides to have her fifth child at age 44 and despite knowing from the amnio that he was carrying an extra chromosome, she went ahead with the pregnancy.

Palin is just perfect, perfect, perfect.

Oh, and pretty, too.
8.29.2008 3:03pm
theobromophile (www):
This may have been said already, but here goes:

While the VP is a "heartbeat away" from being the President, he or she is not the President. McCain could die in the next four years, but that is not likely - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html">about a 90% chance that he'll make it</a>, in fact.

This will give Palin a few years to learn the ropes. Barack Obama has had a grand 130 days in national office; Palin has two years running a state. Granted, it's a small state, but she's actually run something (governor -> Pres/VP is a promotion, rather than the career change of Senator -> Pres/VP), and, as second in command, she'll have a lot of time to learn.

No one with the nickname of "Sarah Barracuda" is an affirmative action pick. She's a tough lady, known for blowing the whistle on her own party, and will compliment McCain's maverick style. With a lot of conservatives and libertarians who are dissatisfied with the Bush administration and may stay home, it's important to have a candidate who is not more of the same.

I'm happy to see this method of developing young conservatives. It's neat that McCain also considered Bobby Jindal. If the Republican party is to last, it has to move over to a younger generation; young people, however, tend to be liberal.

I'm thrilled. Maybe it's because she's not just pro-life, but kept her fifth baby, who had Down's, when she was the governor of Alaska. That puts to rest the notion that we "need" abortion because a) horribly deformed babies shouldn't be born; and b) without abortion, women can't succeed in their careers.
8.29.2008 3:05pm
Hoosier:
srg:
Who cares what David Gergen thinks?


Everyone in washington whowears a blue suit and red tie to work. Don't git me wrong: That don't make it right.
8.29.2008 3:05pm
byomtov (mail):
Crunchy Frog,

Palin, even before governor, had a long history of fighting corruption in the cesspool that is Alaska politics, including putting the kibosh on Ted Stevens' Bridge To Nowhere.

You might want to consider asking for a refund on that. Palin's statement is not exactly consistent withher record. Brad DeLong's cites a news story from the time:

Anchorage Daily News, 10/5/06: Palin Said She Supported The So-Called "Bridge To Nowhere," But Was Concerned Money "Flow" Was "Going to Slow":

As for the infamous 'bridges to nowhere,' MacDonald asked if the candidates would forge ahead with the proposed Knik Arm crossing between Anchorage and Point MacKenzie and Ketchikan's Gravina Island bridge. Each has received more than $90 million in federal funding and drew nationwide attacks as being unnecessary and expensive. He also asked if they support building an access road from Juneau toward -- but not completely connecting to -- Skagway and Haines. 'I do support the infrastructure projects that are on tap here in the state of Alaska that our congressional delegations worked hard for,' Palin said. She said the projects link communities and create jobs.
8.29.2008 3:07pm
Matthew Friendly (mail):
David Post and all the other uninformed critics who keep saying Palin only has two years of experience are of course wrong. Palin spent six years as mayor of Wasilla, so coupled with her two years as governor, Palin has EIGHT years of executive experience. That's exactly EIGHT more years of executive experience than Obama and Biden.
8.29.2008 3:07pm
Actually...:
I vsied the Alaska State Capitol in Juneau a month ago and was appalled. It was built in the late 1920s by the federal government for the territorial government, and it is a total dump. Not as good as the average county courthouse in another state. With all the oil revenue the State of Alsaka is paying its citizens, couldn't they hold a few millions back to build a decent capitol?
Well, let's try an alternative narrative where they took your suggestion:

"I visited the Alaska State Capitol in Juneau a month ago and was surprised. In the midst of a slumping economy, the state government took advantage of the record high fuel prices to swell its coffers and built itself a bunch of nice shiny buildings. Much more lavish than the average county courthouse in another state. With all the oil revenue the State of Alsaka is blowing on vanity construction, couldn't they hold a few millions back to improve infrastructure/education/gas prices/etc?"

I know you weren't attacking anyone in particular. But I doubt anyone (AK residents included) would be pleased to see government spending more money on itself right now.
8.29.2008 3:09pm
MLS:

How many years of "executive experience" does McCain have?


I daresay that a career as a naval "line" officer certainly qualifies as significant executive experience.
8.29.2008 3:21pm
Cheerful Iconoclast (mail) (www):
I think you guys are going at the experience issue the wrong way. When we hire a President, we're making a bet on a person's general world view, their instincts, and their judgment about people.

Experience means a lot more than government experience -- in fact, I'd argue that government experience is the least important sort. Barack Obama is a bit light on government experience as Presidential candidates go, but what bothers me even more is that he's basically never had a real job. By that I mean a job that requires contact with external physical reality.

And no, being a "community organizer" does not count as a "real job." He "worked" as a socialist agitator for several years -- if anything, this should be a disqualification, given the world view this evinces. Then he was an associate at a leftist civil rights law firm and a part-time legislator and a part-time (kinda sorta) law professor. Then a Senator and Presidential Candidate.

It's true that John McCain's fighter pilot days are long over, and he's been in the reality-insulation field of the United States Senate for an awfully long time, but at least he is familiar with the concept of external reality. Sarah Palin has been involved in politics for a while, but she's also done things like work on her husband's fishing boat, and in small businesses and such. Unlike Obama, she isn't even a former socialist agitator, and she probably has pretty good judgment about people.

Given a choice between a randomly-selected Alaskan and Barack Obama, I'd pick the randomly-selected Alaskan. The fact that Sarah Palin appears to have some political talent and experience is an added plus, but I'd take her over Obama straight off the fishing boat.
8.29.2008 3:22pm
cgb:

And neither Obama, Biden or McCain has ever been an executive of anything; not a town, not even a state


Biden's chaired a Senate committee!!
8.29.2008 4:11pm
gregory:
Just wondering . . . if Obama had picked Tim Kaine as his VP, would you have used the same "appalling" and "insulting" language to describe that choice? Kaine was considered by most as an acceptable and attractive choice for Obama, but has virtually the same experience as Sarah Palin.

Maybe it's just a woman thing for you?
8.29.2008 4:48pm
DiverDan (mail):

Unfortunately, this post is typical of david's unthought-out posting style where he presents some illogical argument to support his pre-existing opinions and serves as further proof that he is the most underperforming member of the Conspiracy..


You really can't blame David for that -- presenting "an illogical argument to support his pre-existing opinions" quite accurately describes the judicial writing style of most of the liberal wing of SCOTUS, including his former boss, Ruth Bader Ginsburg (though I must admit, her illogical reasoning is not nearly as transparent or illogical as either Stevens or Breyer), so it's just something he learned by long association with people for whom logic takes a back seat to rationalization.
8.29.2008 5:02pm
wb (mail):
I can accept that Sarah Palin has been a competent governor so far, but that does not translate to any great experience for managing the nation (which Obama does not have either). Therefore, I have to conclude that McCain's calculus was that he has a greater risk from the "more of the same" attack - the mantra of the DNC - than the benefit from not ready to be president argument about Obama. The experience issue did not work for Clinton; she banged away at it nearly every day. It probably would not work for McCain. His only prayer is to convince voters that he is not another George Bush.

That is not cynical; it is just politics in both parties.
8.29.2008 5:04pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Mr. Post, in a few weeks, when you know more, the real test of your character will be whether you will take the opportunity to revise these opinions.

As judged by her own constituents, Gov. Palin is the most popular politician in the United States. That's not an accident. It's not because she's just a pretty face.

Her experience is comparable to Obama's own. Her experience and accomplishments substantially exceed Tim Kaine's, to pick (not at random) another young governor whose previous public service was at a local level.

Experience in general, and foreign policy experience in particular, McCain has in spades. Palin has been a remarkably successful reformer as a state politician; she knows, and is an articulate advocate on, energy; she's a consistent conservative.

Take a closer look. Keep an open mind -- which means you're going to have to backtrack from your initial reactions (which indicated a very closed and ill-informed one). Good luck in your journey.
8.29.2008 5:24pm
EH (mail):
Nobody is talking about President Palin. If McCain pulls an Andropov/Chernenko, that is.
8.29.2008 5:25pm
Mark Butler (mail):
McCain commanded an aviation training squadron in Florida after his release as a POW. He is said to have turned around the unit, and it received a Meritorious Unit Citation. Otherwise, I haven't seen any evidence of executive experience, whether in or out of the Navy.

I'm not sure that this ranks very high on the chart of executive experience. Especially since military command is fundamentally different from civilian leadership.
8.29.2008 5:41pm
Paul Goodrock:
David is spot-on.

History will judge McCain's decision to select Palin as a running mate -- over one of the many otherwise available, highly-qualified possibilities -- as a self-inflicted, mortal wound.

This presidential race is now officially OVER.
8.29.2008 5:42pm
Brock (mail):
If McCain kicks it and President Palin doesn't feel like she has the chops to make informed judgments on foreign policy or defense, she can always pick Joe Biden for her VP.
8.29.2008 5:45pm
Tom Hayden:
Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.
8.29.2008 5:47pm
MarkField (mail):

Her experience and accomplishments substantially exceed Tim Kaine's, to pick (not at random) another young governor whose previous public service was at a local level.


I don't get this at all. Kaine has been governor of a much larger and more complex state, for a longer period of time (I believe 3 years). Before that, he was also a mayor and of a larger city (that's pretty much a gimme). Notwithstanding that, Karl Rove thinks Kaine is unqualified.
8.29.2008 5:50pm
Pete Freans (mail):
It is the grossest form of pandering

And you honestly believe that choosing Senator Obama is not? Senator Clinton, regardless of her politics which I disagree with 95% of the time, should have been the nominee based on the experience she brought and the "bones she made". What do I mean? I mean that she sacrificed a life time of service to be the nominated by her party as a presidential candidate, only to be tossed aside in favor of a candidate whose only quality they have been promoting is the color of skin. That's the change we need?

No Mr. Post, this country will rather punish the Democrats for tossing aside Senator Clinton for Senator Obama because he is black. That is despicable.
8.29.2008 5:55pm
SANE (mail):

I have not read through the comments but the overall thrust is not unlike mine. While i visit this blog several times a week i have only on occasion commented.

I feel compelled to add my voice here. David Post's entry is sheer elitism. His stridency gives him away. Others have of course made the comparison in experience between Obama and the Governor, and yet others to the fact that one quite unknown inexperienced candidate is running for president and one inexperienced yet fairly well known reformer is running in the second spot. This point seems wholly lost on "Professor" Post.

Moreover, what in the world makes Joe Biden fit to be president? He is a known plagiarizer that his own party rejected resoundingly.

And, of course, Post's very post is the essence of the denial of the "science-democracy" reciprocal he is so devoted to. Since science can say absolutely nothing about Palin's relative qualifications, that leaves it up to the democratic process. Now, there is nothing in the "opinion" realm of democracy that suggests absolute or objective "value" in any candidate. The ONLY possible judgment is on the basis of popularity. Historians and of course law professors can opine about relative value, but that matters only to their elitist ilk. Only a law professor or other similarly situated elite could suggest that something might be good for a "candidacy" but not good for the country. Democracy is built, is it not, on the premise that the two are identical? So the only thing of real value from Post's vitriol is his wish that the electorate will "punish" McCain. But, then again, if they punish Obama instead, then we assume Post will utter a meek but audible mea culpa.
8.29.2008 6:04pm
JMJMAM (mail):
Palin is at least as qualified as John Edwards, and not nearly as slimey.
8.29.2008 6:07pm
skyywise (mail):
Generally, I'm disappointed in the comments seeking to flame David Post for stating his opinion on Palin's inexperience. It may be futile, but I'd like to think that the readers of Volokh are of a higher caliber than people who are blinded by extremism.

The almost-rabid defense of Palin as having 2 whole years of Executive experience rings hollow to me. Obama's <b>political</b> experience, and moreover his political experience on the national stage, far outweighs Palin's. Bobby Jindal would have been just as good a candidate as Palin; the fact that McCain chose a woman suggests he's pandering to disillusioned Hillary devotees, not that he considers Palin to be qualified. Now if McCain had picked Kay Bailey, I doubt her Executive experience or lack of would be an issue, and I also doubt I wouldn't be seeing as many "McCain/Housewife '08!" comments across the Internet.
8.29.2008 6:07pm
Hoosier:
Generally, I'm disappointed in the comments seeking to flame David Post for stating his opinion on Palin's inexperience. It may be futile, but I'd like to think that the readers of Volokh are of a higher caliber than people who are blinded by extremism.

I think the posts have largely focused on the extremism of his post.
8.29.2008 6:14pm
markg8 (mail):
Local Alaskan tv report nails Palin lying about firing scandal. What was McCain thinking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA
8.29.2008 6:15pm
Paul McKaskle (mail):
I'm pretty far down on the comments section, and I didn't read all of them, but I do recall another person who became President without any foreign affairs experience and no executive experience except as a County Administrator for the Prendergast Machine in Kansas City. He didn't even know what an atomic bomb was. Turned out to be a pretty good president, however, one who is worshipped by Democrats and Republicans alike now (though not then).

I think he had more important important qualities than "experience": integrity, honesty and the willingness to listen to others with experience (and integrity) such as Acheson and Marshall. Need I mention his name?
8.29.2008 6:17pm
Adam K:
Being a Commander in a branch of the armed forces is not political executive experience, no matter how far you move the goalposts. It's just not, and you look silly claiming it is.
8.29.2008 6:18pm
Fury:
"Tom Hayden" writes:

"For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service meda"

A dishonest and factually inaccurate comment. Several of those awards were due to captivity as a POW.

followed by a quote you posted from another source:

"There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."


And? The point is? So now it comes down to someone grousing that an infantry solider did not get medals, but a naval aviator did? If that is the crux of your argument, wow, that's just weak...
8.29.2008 6:19pm
Nunzio:
I think this pick is interesting for four reasons.

1. It shows McCain is going after Obama on the Change/Reform issue.

Obama is for CHANGE/REFORM from Washington "outsiders." Palin seems to have it but Obama doesn't. Obama is silent while Mayor Daley's guys are headed off to federal prison for following Daley's orders in government patronage hiring and contracting. The Streets of Chicago are clean, but the City is dirty.

Governor Rod Blago, a good friend of Obama's friend Tony Rezko and a former good friend of Obama, is about to be indicted. Again, Obama has said nothing. Cook COunty Board Pres. John Stroger won a primary a few years ago and then installed his son on the ticket. Obama's good friend and Ill. Senate mentor, State Senator Emil Jones is about to do the same. Again, Obama says nothing. He may want to change Washington but he doesn't want to change Chicago.


2. McCain has decided to drop the inexperience theme in favor of the elitism theme. Palin doesn't have much experience, but it's as much as Obama has. Let's remember that Obama didn't vote against the Iraq war because the Illinois State Senate, where Obama was a nobody representing a constituency who preferred former black panther Bobby Rush as its Congressman to Obama, doesn't get to vote on foreign affairs.

The only thing different Dems can say is something along the lines that Obama went to Harvard Law School and Palin didn't, so this makes him more qualified and smarter. This would be suicide for them to say this. W. ran as far away from Yale as Yale ran from him, while Al Gore and John Kerry highlighted their Ivy League credentials.

3. McCain is going after the white women vote, especially the disaffected white women.

4. McCain wants blue collars. Palin is way more blue collar than Joe Biden or Obama.
8.29.2008 6:21pm
Hoosier:
There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison

That's actually sick.
8.29.2008 6:22pm
Paul McKaskle (mail):
Having now scanned the comments, I note a couple which refer to her brother in law, a state trooper. He has not been fired (at least as of yet) but he appears to be a pretty bad apple--see Beldar (Beldar.blogs.com) for a rather thorough story on the brother in law, who among other things, tasered his step-son.
8.29.2008 6:25pm
Jay Myers:

I prefer someone who has had some experience doing the kinds of things Presidents do, and who has been in the public spotlight long enough so that we can rest assured they are not flakes, or incompetents, and that they will not collapse under pressure.

So it is safe to assume that means you will not be voting for Senator Obama.
8.29.2008 6:27pm
ray fuller (mail):
Palin who? Oh, a woman. Affirmative action then? Reminds me of Harriet Myer's abortive appointment to the Supreme Court by that other great "conservative", anti-affirmative action orator, President George W. Bush. Reminds me of another affirmative action/"quota" appointment to the Supreme Court, that of Clarence Thomas, an eminently unqualified jurist, lawyer, scholar, leader. This McCain appointment constitutes pure hypocrisy: Affirmative action is ok as long as practiced by Republicans on behalf of conservative, rich, white women!
8.29.2008 6:28pm
Hoosier:
Nunzio: Your comment on HLS is interesting. I know that Obama supporters play that up. But then one notes that Birch Bayh's son, Evan, went to IU and UVa. He was a strong student, and probably could have gone East Coast for college. But he's known he wanted to be governor--perhaps more--since he was a kid.

If you want to be a politician, better to go someplace that doesn't cause people to lump your in the "snob" category.

And I STILL think that Bayh my be veep someday.
8.29.2008 6:32pm
Sam Draper (mail):
This site is really going downhill. Are rants like the original post really going to be tolerated?
8.29.2008 6:35pm
Saladman (mail):

...as a voter, the sole criterion for evaluating a candidate's VP choice is whether or not the candidate has picked someone who can plausibly be viewed as presidential timber and ... McCain has failed miserably on that score.



Granting your point for argument, I suggest that an experienced President can school a rooky Veep as well or better as an experienced Veep can school a rooky President. So your concern is most valid if McCain keels over very early, but fades with time.

Anyway, this begs the very large question of whether the top of the Democrat ticket can be viewed as presidential timber. Town council, mayor, ethics board and freshman governor is at least as impressive a resume as community organizer, state legislator voting "present" and freshman US Senator. Palin at least has accomplished some of her stated goals in taking on political corruption, lowering taxes and advancing a natural gas pipeline. Not earth-shaking I admit, until you compare it to Obama accomplishing... what? He gave a well-received speech, then he gave some more, but what legislation is he responsible for?
8.29.2008 6:37pm
Nunzio:
Hoosier: Interesting about Bayh.

Biden has the non-snobby academic credentials. He would have been a better presidential nominee than Obama in some ways but the primary faithful tend not to vote for guys like Biden.
8.29.2008 6:41pm
ManBearPig:
Dave, you must really be appalled by the democrats' nomination of BHO, given he has been in the senate since the beginning of '05 and has spent the majority of that time running for president. and he's running on the top of his ticket. This is a guy who cares so much about "change" that he essentially squandered his first term in the senate (a place he could bring about change) in order to run for POTUS.

Really though, let's face it, no one is prepared to be president except the guy that is currently president. No other experience is similar enough. No other high level position has the necessary mix of foreign and domestic responsibilities. She'll be a heart-beat a way, for sure, but VP is really just a training and seasoning ground. 2 years as VP and she'll be 1000% more qualified than any other person in the country to take over for McCain should something happen to him (2months at VP and she'd probably still be the most qualified person to take over).
8.29.2008 7:16pm
EH (mail):
Palin spent six years as mayor of Wasilla

I grew up next to a town not much smaller than Wasilla. They had a dog for a mayor for over 12 years.
8.29.2008 7:18pm
pluribus:
Dear Actually...:
Alaska became a state in 1959. Its economy has not been slumping for all of those 49 years. During that time, how much has the state distributed in oil revenues? The dispute because those who want to move the capital closer to Anchorage seems to me a much better explanation for the perpetuation of the existing dump than a desire to build a "lavish. . . . bunch of nice shiny buildings." BTW, the governor's mansion in Juneau is not a dump--real nice place, also built by the feds. I wonder why Alaskans are unable to decide where their capital should be. BTW, I think Alaska is a great state, and I have an open mind on Palin, about whom I now know almost zilch. I just heard that McCain has met her only twice, so I assume he knows only a little more than zilch.
8.29.2008 7:55pm
DavidSanDiego:
Obama who? Obama has no experience to be President, so this argument is a mute point.
8.29.2008 11:55pm
Ralph Thayer (mail) (www):
So on the scale of "appalling and insulting" where would Mr. Post place Coolidge and Truman? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that prior to being picked to run as VP, Coolidge (age 48) had been governor of MA for two years, and Truman (age 60) had been a US Senator for twelve. Those are but two that come to mind. I don't see as Gov. Palin is that far off the chart. To paraphrase Lincoln, people are free to be as "appalled and insulted" as they make up their minds to be.
8.30.2008 12:11am
MarkField (mail):

I believe that prior to being picked to run as VP, Coolidge (age 48) had been governor of MA for two years, and Truman (age 60) had been a US Senator for twelve.


Truman was also an army captain (I hear they're calling that executive experience these days) and also served 10 years as a county commissioner (they called the position "judge" but it was an administrative position).

Coolidge held a number of municipal offices, including Mayor, was in the state legislature for 4 years, lieutenant governor for three terms, and then governor for 2 terms.
8.30.2008 12:37am
psychdoc (mail):
His recent complaints that Obama is too inexperienced to be President are not only fatally undercut by this choice, they look downright idiotic now.. The effect of the inexperienced argument is in the polls. So what you are saying is that if he has made unpersuasive arguments, you'd like him better if he'd stick to them. McCain's action suggests he feels that a politician facing an election might want to offer people something they want. Obama offers you moral superiority. OK, McCain can't compete for you on that; he is offering something to somebody else.
8.30.2008 1:40am
Kirk:

Cheerful Iconoclast,
Given a choice between a randomly-selected Alaskan and Barack Obama, I'd pick the randomly-selected Alaskan. The fact that Sarah Palin appears to have some political talent and experience is an added plus, but I'd take her over Obama straight off the fishing boat.

Same here! That's a great observation.
8.30.2008 1:43am
Damiano (mail):
What are you calling experience? If it's time, then no one should run for office other than Ted Kennedy. But I am not voting for him. He is mediocrity personified and in office only by virtue of his name, wealth and accomplishments of his brothers. On his own, he is nothing but an old man who's accomplishments are attributed solely on the basis of standing in the same place long enough.

If you consider accomplishment, then experience takes on a new and more valid meaning. By this measure, Palin is extraordinary. In less than 2 years, she revolutionized government in AK. She eliminated corruption, instituted comprehensive energy and conservation policies, negotiated a new oil pipeline with Canada, fostered extensive business development. No one on the Republican short list, or in government, can claim to have accomplished so much, so quickly, against such great odds.

So yes, by measure of time, Palin is on par with Obama and far below anyone else. By measure of accomplishment, I cannot think of anyone better.

The only point that I have ever agree with Obama on entirely is that Washington needs Change. He, however, has done nothing in his lifetime to change anything. By all accounts he is one of the most corrupt, old school, dirty politician around. He has zero significant legislative accomplishments, zero executive experience and zero foreign policy experience. His only claim to the office is that he's called lack of accomplishment 'change'. Biden is no better than Ted Kennedy.

By virtue of accomplishment and potential for change, I think Palin is unassailable. Sure, she has thing to learn too. But she's a proven commodity and will have one of the most distinguished politicians in the US only a few steps away in the Oval Office for that.

She has my 100% support, but if I had doubts, I would find comfort in a VP needing training wheels instead of a President.
8.30.2008 4:31am
Ralph Thayer (mail) (www):
Having Gov. Palin "one heartbeat away from the presidency" is much better than having Nancy Pelosi at two.
8.30.2008 8:46am
colagirl (mail):
Last I checked, I was a member of "the American people," and I don't feel the least bit insulted by McCain's pick.

As someone upthread said, I'd rather have Palin "one heartbeat away" from the presidency than Barak Obama actually *being* that heartbeat.
8.30.2008 11:01am
pluribus:
Thank you, Mark Field, for introducing some real history into these discussions.

My mind is open on Palin. I'm moderately amused by all those who, one day after she first ascended the national stage, are euphoric about her. No pretense about waiting for the facts, Jump on the bandwagon right now. Pardon me if I take these encomiums with a grain of Alaskan sea salt.
8.30.2008 11:13am
David Warner:
"My mind is open on Palin. I'm moderately amused by all those who, one day after she first ascended the national stage, are euphoric about her."

Many of those euphoric today are those who've been working hard for six months to convince the McCain campaign to nominate her and never imagined they actually would.
8.30.2008 2:27pm
Peter Buxton (mail):
As a gay, conservative/libertarian Republican, I am ecstatic over McCain's choice. Sarah Palin solidifies the Republican base which is the one thing McCain needed most. Neither Tim Kaine nor Mitt Romney could do it. Pawlenty: Google "The Case Against Tim Pawlenty by Chris Cillizza".

Biden voted with the Senate, 98-0, against Kyoto, but blames Bush for removing the Presidential signature. He is so deep in lobbyist money that he makes Obama's change message a clear lie.

Our best Presidents have been state governors and military commanders. Palin has governed Alaska longer than SnObama was an acting US Senator (150 days). She faced down her own party to become Mayor and Governor. Sn Postpartisan hasn't squeaked about Chicago's corrupt politics and is hand-in-glove with ACORN.

McCain hired an apprentice. Snobama hired a nanny.
9.1.2008 2:30am
Derek:
This is a ridiculous post - well below the standards of this site. The claim that it's "appalling and insulting to the American people" to have nominated Sarah Palin is nothing more than the Democratic talking points on the subject. I take the intro to the post "that I'm not voting for him this Fall" to be evidence of such. Do us all a favor and don't post unless you have something intelligent to add.
9.1.2008 3:47am