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Palin speaking well.--

Once the sappy warm-ups were over, Sarah Palin hit her stride. She is good when talking about what she did in Alaska. I can see why she has an 80% approval rating. The frequent interruptions for cheering, however, are annoying.

She's not as polished as Joe Biden, but she's much more straightforward in her speech patterns and (to me) she comes off as more genuine.

So as public speakers, I'd rate Obama way ahead of the other three, McCain at the bottom, and Biden and Palin in the middle (with very different styles). In debates, I don't know how they would rank, but I would be surprised if Palin is as good as the other three.

J. Aldridge:
Bad nes for Obama just in: Over at Hillary Clinton Forum they love Palin!
8.29.2008 1:49pm
J. Aldridge:
P.S. Obama is only good if he has a well prepared speech in advance. In debates or live interviews without knowing the questions in advance he is awful.
8.29.2008 1:53pm
Paul Milligan (mail) (www):
Palin will hold her own against Biden. Remember, this lady is no push-over.

She beat her own party's incumbent to gain the governor's seat. She's an ex-marathon runner, and enjoy PLAYING hockey ( not just watching it ). Those are TOUGH hobbies. She is TOUGH.

Master stroke by McCain, and now the election 'his to lose'. Wait a week or so until the polls and averages catch up with this - Blobama will be a solid 5 + points behind !
8.29.2008 1:54pm
Hoosier:
I was VERY impressed by the speech she just gave. She can do that part of the job well. Not clear to me that Obama is "way ahead" of her, though he's the best of the pack. But this was much better than I had expected.

Mrs. Hoosier, who has NOT signed on to "Catholics for McCain," called me to say "Obama has a problem." I tend to agree, IF she can do the other parts of the job--interviews and debates--well.

At this point, I can't say if she can or cannot. So I'm still thinking this is very risky for McCain. But to be generous on her first day as veep-nominee-designate, she gave a very good speech.
8.29.2008 1:57pm
David Schraub (mail) (www):
Palin's speech was very weak I thought. She looked star-struck, disjointed thematically, and she barely manages to squeeze her conclusion out. My girlfriend asked me what she was "rambling" about.

The only well-executed part was the play for Hillary voters. But aside from that, she looked very shaky to my old ex-debater eye.
8.29.2008 1:59pm
Hoosier:
Not clear to me that Obama is "way ahead" of her, though he's the best of the pack. But this was much better than I had expected.

Sorry. I meant to add: "Perhaps I'm judging her vs. Obama based on my lower expectations for her."
8.29.2008 1:59pm
VincentPaul (mail):
IMHO Palin is by far the better public speaker than Obama. It isn't even close.
8.29.2008 2:04pm
Prufrock765 (mail):
I just looked at the Hillary Clinton Forum that a previous poster alluded to. They are raving about Palin and furious at BO.
Are these just a bunch of kooky bitter-enders or are they in some important way indicative of the way Hillary supporters will vote in November?
8.29.2008 2:09pm
Bobby Ewing (mail):
You have to admit that Sarah Palin is pretty hot (remember she was in the Ms. Alaska Pageant) and MUCH BETTER on the eyes than Joe Biden. Oh and wait until you see the bikini pics!!! NOT BAD for a mother of 5.

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055328
8.29.2008 2:10pm
Hoosier:
Are these just a bunch of kooky bitter-enders or are they in some important way indicative of the way Hillary supporters will vote in November?

Depends. How many of them live in Ohio?
8.29.2008 2:17pm
Bandon:
Palin seems like a solid, direct young woman, who will relate well to a certain part of the electorate. However, she is a good match for disaffected Hillary fanatics only in terms of sharing similar chromosomes. She clearly does not share most of the same views on social issues that pulled Hillary voters to her side.

Palin is also decidedly not "presidential." She looks like an assertive and self-assured PTA president (which I think was actually part of her bio). I have seen people like this perform very well on local school boards and city councils, but she will have to show a lot more maturity going forward to convince me that this is someone who should be president.

This choice makes it clear that McCain was looking for someone to complement him (and compliment him), but not for someone to replace him any time soon. McCain was beaming from ear-to-ear as he stood next to Palin on stage, basking in the fawning behavior of a young, energetic woman. I couldn't tell if he was afraid to leave her side or if he just stayed up there because he was enjoying the adulation so much.

The selection of Palin has made things interesting, but it is the kind of self-indulgent risk-taking that does not increase my confidence in McCain's judgment. We already have had to endure one gunslinging cowboy in the White House, and we don't need to elect another one.
8.29.2008 2:27pm
eforhan (mail):
Bobby Ewing,

While I can appreciate a pretty woman, I'd much rather focus on how she has more executive experience than Senator Obama.
8.29.2008 2:29pm
J. Aldridge:
eforhan, BO ever been an executive or CIC? What did he do before he became a senator besides cozy up to weathermen?
8.29.2008 2:57pm
Justin (mail):
I think this is all superficial, but Palin comes across as a cheerleading ditz, high school president kind. Gushy, unserious.
8.29.2008 3:04pm
EH (mail):
J. Aldridge:
eforhan, BO ever been an executive or CIC? What did he do before he became a senator besides cozy up to weathermen?


Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Thanks for boiling it down to the essentials, J.
8.29.2008 3:07pm
Sarcastro (www):
Justin - but was her speech as bad as Obama's?

Be objective now!
8.29.2008 3:08pm
Hoosier:
Justin: My high school president wasn't gushy or unserious. And he would have looked really bad in a cheerleader's outfit.
8.29.2008 3:13pm
Hoosier:
EH--Come on now. It was only one Weatherman.

Perhaps he hadn't heard that "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." So he thought he did.
8.29.2008 3:15pm
Justin (mail):
PS - She may have foot in mouth disease. CNN Headline News just ran an interview she did with Glenn Beck, where she said that we were fighting in Iraq "over energy supplies."
8.29.2008 3:23pm
Sarcastro (www):
I just found out Palin named her kids Bristol, Willow, Piper and Track!

I view the McCain/Palin ticket very differently now.
8.29.2008 3:39pm
Cornellian (mail):
And daughter "Willow" is apparently named after Willow Rosenberg, the fictional witch / friend of Buffy on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." Probably not a fav TV series with the Dobson crowd.
8.29.2008 5:55pm
Whitehall (mail):
I'll admit that Gov. Palin will have to prove herself to me and other voters. However, she DID prove herself the voters of Alaska and to McCain and his campaign staff. I'd think both would do a thorough vetting job on her.

As to going head-to-head with Biden, she'll give straightforward, honest answers. Biden will blow smoke, clever smoke yes, but smoke. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds Biden irritating and pretentious.

As to PUMAs who might cross-over, what does that tell you about their focus on issues? Or are they Hillarites because of gender identity only? I'll bet a substantial percent are motivated by the latter and will happily vote GOP now. Down ticket GOPers probably won't see much coat tails though.
8.29.2008 5:57pm
Hoosier:
I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds Biden irritating and pretentious.

Truer words were never spoken.
8.29.2008 6:24pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
This whole thing looks very Dan Quayle-like to me.

Perhaps McCain will win the presidency DESPITE Palin. But I see little likelihood that he will win it because of her, and a lot of evidence that she is in over her head.
8.29.2008 7:02pm
stan (mail):
Given how truly pathetic Obama and Biden are in debates, how could Palin possibly be worse?
8.29.2008 9:26pm
David Warner:
Justin,

"I think this is all superficial, but Palin comes across as a cheerleading ditz, high school president kind. Gushy, unserious."

Thanks for the prejudice. She wasn't a cheerleader, she was the star basketball player. Women can be strong and beautiful now - did you miss the memo?

"Perhaps McCain will win the presidency DESPITE Palin. But I see little likelihood that he will win it because of her, and a lot of evidence that she is in over her head."

Keep looking under that street lamp, you'll find those car keys eventually. Sure seems like a found some keys under mine today, though.
8.30.2008 12:36am
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
David:

It is possible, as Quayle did, to win the Vice Presidency without being qualified.

It is not, however, an asset to not be qualified.

Conservatives may have found some keys under their street lamp, but I would suggest to you that having an unqualified pro-lifer in the second slot on the ticket and losing the election is much worse for your cause than having a pro-choicer in that slot and winning it.
8.30.2008 1:49am
David Warner:
"Conservatives may have found some keys under their street lamp, but I would suggest to you that having an unqualified pro-lifer in the second slot on the ticket and losing the election is much worse for your cause than having a pro-choicer in that slot and winning it."

I doubt McCain would have chosen her if she didn't fulfill the qualifications stipulated in the Constitution. What others did you have in mind? Careful, there's a presidential candidate here to consider...

Frankly, I'm very excited to have someone from outside the Ivy/Beltway axis.

As for abortion, I see the dynamics moving as much away from marriage restriction (hurting Palin mildly, her party moreso) as toward pro-life positions, especially backed up by those with the courage of their convictions.

This is the result, ironically, of the rights inflation evidently inevitable in a liberal polity (not that that's a bad thing), coupled with the technological advances that both make the life in the womb more visible and defects more detectable, raising justified liberal qualms with selective termination of those lives based on those defects.
8.30.2008 2:56am