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It's Sarah Palin.--

NBC says it's Sarah Palin for the GOP VP ticket.

UPDATE: CNBC, which had a reporter and film crew with Palin in Alaska last week, reports that Palin calls her husband "the First Dude." Also, CNBC calls him a "sloper," which in Alaska apparently refers to someone who works on the North Slope.

The brief clip CNBC is showing of Sarah Palin pulling in a fish in a net makes her look very competent at fishing. Is she a woman with the kind of genuine blue collar appeal that Hillary Clinton had to work hard to acquire? I don't know.

2d UPDATE: Vice Presidents often become Presidents, a transition which may be slightly more likely to occur with John McCain's health problems.

It is now quite likely that — one way or another — the US will have either an African American or a female President at some time in the next 9 years. And we might have one and then the other.

3d UPDATE: Maria Bartiromo, whose Monday interview of Palin will run today in the 3-4pm hour on CNBC, pronounces Palin's name as PAL-in, not PAY-lin, [but Wikipedia says the pronunciation is PAY-lin].

4th UPDATE: John McCain pronounces it PAY-lin.

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Justin (mail):
Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?

It's obviously a ploy for the women's vote, but I'm just not sure how much that is really in play.
8.29.2008 11:51am
therut:
YES< YES!!!!!!! GREAT. I can not wait. Yippie!!!!
8.29.2008 11:51am
The Drill SGT:

Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?


She has more executive experience than the other three combined.

think 2 years as the governor of a state is less than 4 years as a back bench Senator who didn't chair a subcommittee meeting?

Besides, she can learn under McCain rather than have Biden teach Obama
8.29.2008 11:54am
Lawyer-Wearing-Yarmulka (www):
Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?

She has more executive experience than the other three combined.

Exactly.

Her greatest accomplishment so far is running a state. Obama's greatest accomplishment so far is running a successful campaign.
8.29.2008 11:58am
Justin (mail):
LWY, if you think that argument will work.

Also, don't forget that this line of argument runs into...a ton of GOP speeches concerning Howard Dean's experience.
8.29.2008 11:59am
darelf:
I'm predicting a win for McCain now.

Palin fills in all the missing pieces. Just the chance for social conservatives to actual vote *for* someone may be enough to get a much larger turnout on election day.

The idea of Sarah Palin for President in 2016 makes me feel like Chris Matthews talking about Obama.
8.29.2008 12:00pm
Witness (mail):
She won't have to fake the whole blue collar thing. She hunts moose, ice fishes, and is married to an oil field worker who also happens to be a badass snowmobiler and an Eskimo to boot. Bio-wise, Palin's the real deal.
8.29.2008 12:00pm
Dave N (mail):
I have said for sometime that the one thing McCain could not do is pick a middle-aged white guy (Middle aged, for Vice Presidential candidates being 50 or older).

My favorite had been Bobby Jindal, who only met 1 of the 3 (being a guy, after all). Sarah Palin is also only a 1 out of 3, being neither middle-aged nor a guy.

Palin excites the Republican base and I suspect will excite Independent women. As for the experience factor, if that is now the Democratic talking point, perhaps Joe Biden and Barack Obama should swap places on THEIR ticket.
8.29.2008 12:01pm
Allen G:
I don't know much about her, but CNN says she knows how to eat a mooseburger.

Being Alaskan, I also assume she has 37 words for "snow". That's good enough for me.
8.29.2008 12:02pm
Jon Roland (mail) (www):
In an earlier post I said Sarah Palin would be the wisest choice, and it seems that John McCain made that choice. The VP choice seldom makes a large difference in a presidential election, but I think that this choice will be different. Now the disgruntled Hillary supporters have a stronger reason to vote Republican.

I will still be voting for Bob Barr, but as an interested observer this certainly changes the dynamic of the campaign. It also sets her up as a successor in a way that the choice of Biden does not, especially if McCain couldn't serve out his complete term.

I will love to watch a debate between Palin and the windbag Biden. She will eat him alive.
8.29.2008 12:05pm
Justin (mail):
If this choice was a ploy at the supposedly existing "disgrungled Hillary supporters," this may be a landslide election for Obama. Those voters were never really in play, any more than pro-life evangelical conservatives were. At most, those people would simply not have turned out in as great numbers - but whether THE OTHER side has some sort of identity politics going on isn't going to change their idea WHETHER to vote.
8.29.2008 12:10pm
krs:

Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?

If the voters are supposed to assume that whoever gets elected will die in office, I guess it does end the argument.
8.29.2008 12:11pm
Dave N (mail):
I would note that when Walter Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, the selection was viewed (probably correctly) as being a sop to the feminist wing of the Democratic Party (remember, the runner up was then San Francisco Mayor Diane Feinstein). Palin may be a ploy for female votes, but her selection was not a matter of "We Republicans need to have a woman now."

I would also note that Fox News briefly interviewed Geraldine Ferraro, whom nobody is going to accuse of being a Republican shill. Ferraro is mad at her party, REAL mad, and it came through in the interview.
8.29.2008 12:11pm
The Drill SGT:

I don't know much about her, but CNN says she knows how to eat a mooseburger.


Pop was a school teacher who used to get up and hunt moose at 3AM before going off to teach. Husband is a blue collar Eskimo snowmobiler. "eat a mooseburger?"

I bet she knows how to hunt moose, string one up, dress it out, freeze it, grind it, make the patties, cook it 40 ways and eat a moose burger
8.29.2008 12:11pm
Thorley Winston (mail) (www):
The idea of Sarah Palin for President in 2016 makes me feel like Chris Matthews talking about Obama.


Not only will this help McCain with female voters but his share up the male demographic 18-55 just went up by another ten points. ;)
8.29.2008 12:12pm
Sarcastro (www):
Good thing she's not under investigation.

[seriously though, the best possible pick IMHO.]
8.29.2008 12:12pm
J. Aldridge:
I can tell you Gov. Palin is every thing Hillary isn't.
8.29.2008 12:12pm
AndrewK (mail):
Witness: Not to mention the whole "elope to save money" narrative.

She hits just about every electoral bumper. The only problem is that she's not particularly charismatic as a talking head. We'll see, though.

Did anyone else see the LATimesblog entry that was hastily plagiarized this morning from another blog, talking about how she's "under a probe" and therefore not the nominee? Talk about desperation.
8.29.2008 12:15pm
Thorley Winston (mail) (www):
Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?


You mean because McCain's running mate has more executive experience and actual accomplishments to her name than Obama and Biden put together?

Nope, not at all.
8.29.2008 12:15pm
Thorley Winston (mail) (www):
Particularly given McCain's age, doesn't this just about end any argument McCain had that Obama lacks the experience to be President?


You mean because McCain's running mate has more executive experience and actual accomplishments to her name than Obama and Biden put together?

Nope, not at all.
8.29.2008 12:15pm
Constantin:
Someone explain to me how this is going to help Obama on the experience issue. Is his line really going to be "Oh yeah, well your VP is as clueless as me"?
8.29.2008 12:16pm
J. Aldridge:
P.S. Palin is going to make swing voters swing but not in the direction Democrats would like.
8.29.2008 12:17pm
DiverDan (mail):
From a purely demographics point of view, this seems to one of his better options (although either Colin Powell or Condi Rice would have really thrown a wrench into the Dems completely taking the Black Vote as a given, but both bring significant baggage from the G.W. Bush ties, Rice moreso than Powell). For the sake of someone who votes based on political principles, rather than race, gender, or how "likeable" the candidate is, can anyone tell me about Palin's politics? Is she a "religious right" conservative (that would really turn me off)? Is she a "libertarian conservative" (my favorite kind)? Is she a "free market" conservative? Just where does she fit within the huge spectrum that the Republican Party seems to attract these days? While I find Mike Huckabee to be personable, likeable, and, based on his appearances on the Colbert Report, very funny, I could never vote for someone who believes in the literal truth of Genesis and wants to eliminate evolution from the High School Science curriculum. Palin isn't a closet fundamentalist, is she?
8.29.2008 12:18pm
Mr Crabby Pants (mail):

Her greatest accomplishment so far is running a state. Obama's greatest accomplishment so far is running a successful campaign.

Well, she is in charge of fewer people than Obama, over a much smaller area, if that's what you mean.
8.29.2008 12:18pm
Dave N (mail):
By the way, Fox News scooped everyone else through some very good reporting.

A private jet landed at a small airport outside of Dayton earlier today. Fox managed to find out the jet had flown there from Anchorage, by way of Seattle for a fuel stop.

It also reported that ANOTHER plane had landed at the same airport a few hours ago having flown in from Scottsdale, Arizona. Both planes were met by vans that whisked off the passengers.

The airport manager reported that one of the passengers looked kind of like Palin, but could not say for sure.

Say what you want about Fox News (I know the Democratic talking points, please don't repeat them), but this was good reporting on their part to put together the pieces of the puzzle ahead of everyone else.
8.29.2008 12:21pm
Sarcastro (www):
Yay! Demographics are what matter! She's a woman, but so black as to appear tokanistic!
8.29.2008 12:24pm
Dave N (mail):
Mr Crabby Pants,

How many people IS Barack Obama "in charge of"? According to the 2000 census, Alaska has a population of approximately 670,000 people. Please supply the numbers of people Obama is "in charge of?" so we can compare.
8.29.2008 12:25pm
Justin (mail):
Constantin, it's more of a handcuff than an Obama talking point. McCain can't simultaneously claim that he picked someone ready to assume the Presidency and continue his line of attacks on experience on Obama. Or more to the point, its not that Palin's lack of experience somehow "cancels out" Obama's lack of experience, it just goes to show that even McCain doesn't believe that prototypical experience is important for the Presidency.
8.29.2008 12:27pm
PC:
How many people IS Barack Obama "in charge of"? According to the 2000 census, Alaska has a population of approximately 670,000 people. Please supply the numbers of people Obama is "in charge of?" so we can compare.


That's twice the size of the city I live in. But don't forget her executive experience as that mayor of a town of 5000 people.
8.29.2008 12:31pm
JosephSlater (mail):
DiverDan:

Palin has argued that creationism should be taught in Alaska public schools. So yeah, she's one of those. She is, in part, a sop to the Huckabee/Dobson wing of the base -- and maybe that will work, although I doubt that will be enough to win the election.

Beyond that, I guess McCain (i) really does hate Romney, and (ii) was never really serious about a moderate like Lieberman or Ridge. Maybe the idea was to try to peel off Hillary voters, but I doubt that will work. See her positions on choice in abortion and, well, pretty much anything else. The reason the hard-right commenters here like her politics are the reason that she will fail to win any significant number of female Hillary supporters who were on the fence about Obama.
8.29.2008 12:32pm
Constantin:
Agreed, Justin. But surely the pick isn't more of a handcuff for McCain on experience than the pick of Biden is a handcuff for Obama on outsider-ism and change. As we saw last night, the change handcuffs were pretty loose. I suspect we'll see the same from McCain on the "ready to lead" front, and Democratic speculation to the contrary--I see that an Obama spokesman claims this takes the experience issue off the table--is just wishful thinking.
8.29.2008 12:34pm
Mahan Atma (mail):
McCain's experience argument was never about executive experience (because he has none).

So yes, this contradicts the experience-based argument McCain was actually making.
8.29.2008 12:34pm
a_j_1979:

You mean because McCain's running mate has more executive experience and actual accomplishments to her name than Obama and Biden put togetherMcCain?


Fixed for you
8.29.2008 12:36pm
Joe Kowalski (mail):

How many people IS Barack Obama "in charge of"? According to the 2000 census, Alaska has a population of approximately 670,000 people. Please supply the numbers of people Obama is "in charge of?" so we can compare.

Are you seriously arguing that Gov. Palin is "in Charge" of all the citizens of Alaska? The better number to find is the number of state employees that she oversees.
8.29.2008 12:36pm
Mahan Atma (mail):
"Someone explain to me how this is going to help Obama on the experience issue. Is his line really going to be "Oh yeah, well your VP is as clueless as me"?"


It was McCain, not Obama, who was relying on the experience argument.
8.29.2008 12:37pm
whale hunter:
Palin is well regarded across the political spectrum, and from what I gather, lauded even by in-state liberals averse to everything else GOP. McCain has made an excellent choice.
8.29.2008 12:38pm
Patrick Wright (mail):

Well, she is in charge of fewer people than Obama, over a much smaller area, if that's what you mean.


Uh, you are aware that Alaska in area 2x the size of Texas and makes up around 1/6 of the entire United States, correct?

alaska area facts

Now population is an entirely different matter.
8.29.2008 12:39pm
Obama-Biden '08:
When you're behind, you're better off increasing risk. A VP who nobody has ever heard of and is currently under investigation for abuse of power fits the bill perfectly, I guess.
8.29.2008 12:40pm
Dave N (mail):
Joe Kowalski,

Another poster made the claim that Obama is "in charge of" more people than Palin. I asked for a number. There has been a deafening response, other than to argue: 1) Well, we should only count people that directly work for state government never mind those pesky budget things governors do and 2)dismiss her stint as Mayor of a smaller community because the town has only 5000 people.
8.29.2008 12:40pm
Han Solo (mail):
It will be VERY FUNNY to see the press try to use the word 'inexperienced'.


Lets talk about their darling boy with a grand total of "147 days in the U.S. Senate?" having enough experience huh?


Give it up.


In fact, I think this whole idea of 'experience' is the downfall of american government anyway. It plays into the whole idea of life long politicians which is NOT WHAT our founding fathers had in mind. The government has stopped being run by citizens and has turned into an elite class. Term limits are desperately needed.


Lets watch the press squirm and see just how long their noses grow.
8.29.2008 12:41pm
Mahan Atma (mail):
"It will be VERY FUNNY to see the press try to use the word 'inexperienced'."


But that was McCain's favorite word.
8.29.2008 12:44pm
Justin (mail):
"Agreed, Justin. But surely the pick isn't more of a handcuff for McCain on experience than the pick of Biden is a handcuff for Obama on outsider-ism and change."

That's not true at all. There's nothing inconsistent about running as an outsider, and for change, and choosing an established person to carry water for you and to be prepared "in case."

That's the thing about the VP. They are not one-half of the team. They are an insurance policy. That's why Palin's choice is so fundamentally different from Biden's choice.
8.29.2008 12:46pm
J. Aldridge:
Mahan Atma said: "It was McCain, not Obama, who was relying on the experience argument."

Please tell us why Obama picked Biden?
8.29.2008 12:48pm
Bob from Ohio (mail):
An interesting pick. Not a safe, boring pick certainly.

Her personal bio is good but her political bio is slim.

Way, way too early to make any sort of judgment. Either good or bad.

I follow politics pretty closely and have never heard her speak, for instance. Gotta see how she does in action.

I do see that 2008 is the "Year of the States With Three Electoral Votes".
8.29.2008 12:48pm
Dave N (mail):
The investigation that Sarcastro and then "Obama-Biden '08" reference concern her firing of the Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

Monegan claims that Palin fired him because he refused to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, who is a State Trooper. Palin denies this and welcomed the investigation. Now maybe there is smoke, maybe Monegan was pressured, but my experience is that when people welcome investigations with open arms they are pretty confident that there is no "there" there.
8.29.2008 12:48pm
Dave N (mail):
Bob from Ohio,

Not only the "Year of the States With Three Electoral Votes" but "Three Electoral Votes That Were Never in Play."
8.29.2008 12:52pm
Bob from Ohio (mail):
I should add that the VP choice usually just does not a matter all that much.

You could not get a worse choice than Dan Quayle. Who won that year?
8.29.2008 12:54pm
Obama-Biden '08:
never mind those pesky budget things governors do

We're talking about a state that receives so much in oil revenue that they can just cut everyone in the state a check every year. Of course, this becomes easier when your entire state contains fewer people than Columbus or Detroit, but it's different from dealing with real budget problems.
8.29.2008 12:59pm
Nathand:
Re the brother-in-law thing:

There's proof that one of her staffers called and pressed for the brother-in-law to be fired. There's even a tape of the call on the state website. It was placed by Frank Bailey, the director of boards and commissions.

An exerpt:
"The Palins can't figure out why nothing's going on," Bailey said in the recorded phone call. "So Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads saying 'Why is this guy representing the department, he's a horrible recruiting tool.' You know? So from their perspective everybody's protecting him. . . Audi probably disagrees with me, Walt [Monegan] does and I understand it's really touchy, but I just want you to understand that cops that use excessive force or go out of the lines, they just have no tolerance, because they've seen the facts personally."

Bailey claims to have been acting on his own, and just name-dropping.
8.29.2008 1:06pm
Dave N (mail):
Obama-Biden '08,

Alaska has budget problems (though somewhat unique). Your dismissive attitude demonstrates your hackery--but given your nom-de-plume, that is to be expected.
8.29.2008 1:08pm
SATA_Interface:
this still flies in the face of picking Romney. He's a good attack dog, would maybe help deliver Michigan, and is hard to the right in his rhetoric, which is the only thing that ever matters to blue collars or social conservatives. I think someone else already said it, but maybe McCain just really disliked Romney after the primary - and I bet Obama felt the same about Hillary. Those primaries were brutal.
8.29.2008 1:29pm
PC:
Wow. Palin is a socialist. She just said politicians are supposed to "serve the common good." What happened to that rugged individualism?
8.29.2008 1:39pm
TesHobbs (mail):
I'm shocked. Sarah Palin is about as unqualified as you can get. Two terms on the city council of Wasilla, Alaska, &two terms as mayor of Wasilla. Woweee! Wasilla had an estimated population of 8,471 in 2005. That's about equivalent to being a high school class president. Her college degree is in journalism. She was voted Miss Congeniality when she competed for Miss Alaska, which she didn't win. She has 5 children, so she knows how to get pregnant. She knows how to hunt &fish. Gee, her qualifications just keep piling up. But lets look at the nitty gritty here. On Aug. 27th she signed a $27 billion dollar deal for a new Alaska pipeline &the contract went to TransCanada Corp., that's a Canadian corporation, NOT as US corporation. So she knows how to outsource our American jobs &how to give our hard earned tax-payer dollars to other countries. Way to go Palin, you're on the road to being the next George W. Bush.
8.29.2008 1:45pm
Cornellian (mail):
I'm primarily interested in whether she's somehow related to Michael Palin of Monty Python fame.
8.29.2008 1:48pm
DonBoy (mail) (www):
I bet Obama campaign, over the last six months, has more people than the state government of Alaska.
8.29.2008 1:50pm
NowMDJD (mail):

this still flies in the face of picking Romney. He's a good attack dog,


No-- he comes across bland


would maybe help deliver Michigan,


Or not. He grew up there, but various Romney's have lost elections there


and is hard to the right in his rhetoric,


Or switched to that tack when he entered the primaries; he sems to have changed his positions from expediency, whcih would have come out in the campaign.


which is the only thing that ever matters to blue collars or social conservatives.


Puhleeeze. You probably know as few "blue collars" as Romney. Your use of that term shows your disdain. And do you think socieal conservatives care only about a candidate's latest rhetoric?


I think someone else already said it, but maybe McCain just really disliked Romney after the primary


Isn't there something to be said for a candidate naming a vice-presidential candidate, and having a vice president, with whom he can work?

Romney appears so Stepford. At worst, completely insincere and expedient, and at best someone who simply doesn't understand or care about the vast majority of the electorate. He exudes patrician, uncaring richness. "Blue collars," as you call them, don't necessarily want to vote for someone who reminds them of the guy who fired them.
8.29.2008 1:52pm
EH (mail):
Dave N
Alaska has budget problems (though somewhat unique). Your dismissive attitude demonstrates your hackery--but given your nom-de-plume, that is to be expected.


Good to see we're not above a bit of personal epithet and rudeness, eh?

I think you have a different definition of "hackery" than I do. "Unique" budget problem(s) that amount to deciding whether to raid the Prudhoe Bay tax fund to make up for a $1/2mill deficit on a state budget that is less than half of San Francisco's (750K residents vs. AK's 650K) do not refute OB08's point.

Frankly I'd say that the "number of people they've been in charge of" is a red herring and not really worth pursuing. Would you? What exactly is the point of comparing, because to me it just seems like something that Obama can be criticized for, but not anything particularly significant. In other words, is that the best you've got?

Here's a question out of the blue, though: Between Obama and McCain, which do you think is more likely to die before the end of their second term? Not that it's likely, but possible and is a thought experiment that has a lot more to do with the VP picks than the "number of people" line.
8.29.2008 1:52pm
E. St. James (mail):
John McCain has been portrayed as being out of touch with the average person. According to McCain, he wanted to select a running mate who agreed with his philosophies, objectives and policies rather than placing emphasis on someone ready to step in as Commander-in-Chief if need be.

Hmmm? Out of touch with average income folks? In mid-April, 2008, when an avalanche damaged the hydro power lines that supply affordable power to the majority of Juneau's population, she demonstrated how she reacts to an emergency situation.

In my opinion, a situation like this avalanche should have immediately warranted serious consideration of declaring it a disaster. It was cold and daylight was still short.
Fixed income residents needed relief because the job market was depressed, and the pay scales low. They were informed their energy costs would rise by nearly 500% for nearly three months. Here is how Governor Sarah Palin reacted when the city of Juneau, the State Capitol, faced that crisis in April of this year.

By the way, my son and his wife lived in Juneau at the time, and called to confirm that they had just been told that in order to support the emergency generators, their power bills would rise almost 500% for three months, and they were trying to figure out how they would pay the exorbitant bills given fixed income.

This actually made them question the wisdom of having moved to Juneau. Here is a question for you: Would you easily be able to sustain such an increase, perhaps to as much as $1,000 per month or more?'

Yielding to pressure, Governor Sarah Palin eventually did propose a form of relief, but this is a direct quote from the Juneau Empire, the local Juneau newspaper, about the reaction of Governor Sarah Palin at the height of resident's concerns:

JUNEAU EMPIRE—-
"Here in Juneau, there's still some unfinished business with Palin and her reluctance - her refusal, actually - to make a declaration of disaster following the avalanches that toppled power-transmission towers at the Snettisham hydroelectric plant last month.

The governor has once declined to declare this financial crisis a "disaster," and she appears equally unwilling to do so as Juneau's legislative delegation has asked her to do based on two other state bailouts in the past decade.

And if the energy crunch weren't enough, Palin suggested on Thursday that a special legislative session set to begin in two weeks might best be held outside of Juneau lest the capital somehow be burdened by having legislators in town.

If anything, now's the perfect time for us to have the Legislature in town for two reasons: Our business community can use every bit of stimulation it can muster, and having lawmakers in town gives another chance to demonstrate to one and all how well we're coping with these dire circumstances not of our making.

While we're at it, we'd also like to appeal to the governor to take time from the special session to tour the Snettisham site and spend some one-on-one time with officials from Alaska Electric Light &Power Co. and city officials who can, perhaps, help her better understand this isn't any small or temporary hardship.

In the meantime, we'll await the outcome of our legislators' request for the governor to revisit her "no disaster" call."
8.29.2008 1:53pm
CHRISTINA (mail):
yOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. pEOPLE AMAZE ME, YOU WOULD THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A BRAIN AND REALIZE OUR COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE. The Governor of Alaska, what could she actually have any experiance doing. And she wants to driil more. Really people have you all forgot what America was founded on, freedom of choice religion, and life. Now we are being over taxed and over worked for nothing. Just to pay for a secret society to play risk. Do you not remember why we through the tea in the harbor. PLEASE PLEASE wake up and smell the tea. History repeats itself and it's doing so right now. Make a better choice in November if you want a world to wake up to tomorrow.
8.29.2008 1:54pm
James Lindgren (mail):
After the 7-10 houses (ie, apartments) thing, McCain COULDN'T pick Romney.
8.29.2008 1:59pm
Actually...:
Wow. Palin is a socialist. She just said politicians are supposed to "serve the common good." What happened to that rugged individualism?
I always thought serving the greater good was the hallmark of socialism. Government is supposed to serve the body politic, not an individual or an interest group.

"Rugged individualism" is not precluded by relying on the government to handle affairs which necessarily remain in the governmental or common sphere.
8.29.2008 2:23pm
Bobby Ewing (mail):
You have to admit that Sarah Palin is pretty hot (remember she was in the Ms. Alaska Pageant) and MUCH BETTER on the eyes than Joe Biden. Oh and wait until you see the bikini pics!!! NOT BAD for a mother of 5.

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055328
8.29.2008 2:35pm
EH (mail):
Oh and wait until you see the bikini pics!!! NOT BAD for a mother of 5.

NB: It's fairly common to remove the belly button during a tummy-tuck.
8.29.2008 2:44pm
Anderson (mail):
What's that Mencken line? Ah, yes, here I have it:

No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.

A Menckenesque choice. Would that the master were living at this hour!
8.29.2008 2:47pm
Jon Roland (mail) (www):
Having just watched Sarah Palin's debut speech, and being an experienced public speaker myself, I appreciate oratorical skill. A clue was apparent in this appearance, because while McCain was speaking from prepared text on the teleprompter, Palin was not. She was using a one-page list of talking points on her lectern, to which she referred only three times. Palin has a natural gift as an extemporaneous public speaker, and a reputation as very quick-witted. Her background as a television sports reporter is serving her well. She is not an intellectual, but has a reputation as a quick study with natural good judgment and a knack for making good appointments and seeking good advice.

As for things like her religious views, she is a longtime member of the Assemblies of God, a pentacostal evangelist denomination. However, she seems to know how to avoid the common disagreeable practice of that faith of wearing one's religion on one's sleeve and expecting everyone around to "witness".

On the attempted firing of her former brother-in-law, the word I get from those close to the situation is that the guy is a thug who abused his authority often, not just with Palin's sister. If that is accurate, then she was right to try to get him fired, and to fire his supervisor for failing to exercise proper supervision of his troopers.

The test will come in debate if the debate questions aren't something for which the debater can have been prepared by their handlers. I predict that both Obama and Palin will do well in that situation, and Biden and McCain much less well.

Now if we can just get the Libertarians included in the debate. I would love to see McCain and Obama try to debate Barr, or Plain and Biden debate Root. In the latter case it would be Palin and Root against Biden, both of whom are much more effective in fast-breaking speaking situations.
8.29.2008 2:58pm
Fury:
TesHobbs writes in part:

"She has 5 children, so she knows how to get pregnant."

A sexist, derisive comment. Don't know your political persuasion, but since Palin being picked, I've have heard similar comments from folks I *know* are Democrats.
8.29.2008 6:05pm