Sotomayor Rejects "Empathy" Standard for Judging:

One of the more interesting parts of today's hearings was the following exchange between Judge Sotomayor and Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ).

KYL: Let me ask you about what the president said -- and I talked about it in my opening statement -- whether you agree with him. He used two different analogies. He talked once about the 25 miles -- the first 25 miles of a 26-mile marathon. And then he also said, in 95 percent of the cases, the law will give you the answer, and the last 5 percent legal process will not lead you to the rule of decision. The critical ingredient in those cases is supplied by what is in the judge's heart. Do you agree with him that the law only takes you the first 25 miles of the marathon and that that last mile has to be decided by what's in the judge's heart?

SOTOMAYOR: No, sir. That's -- I don't -- I wouldn't approach the issue of judging in the way the president does. He has to explain what he meant by judging. I can only explain what I think judges should do, which is judges can't rely on what's in their heart. They don't determine the law. Congress makes the laws. The job of a judge is to apply the law. And so it's not the heart that compels conclusions in cases. It's the law. The judge applies the law to the facts before that judge.

KYL: Appreciate that. And has it been your experience that every case, no matter how tenuous it's been and every lawyer, no matter how good their quality of advocacy, that in every case, every lawyer has had a legal argument of some quality it make? Some precedent that he's cited? It might not be the Supreme Court. It might not be the court of appeals. It might be a trial court somewhere. It might not even be a court precedent. It may be a law review article or something. But have you ever been in a situation where a lawyer said I don't have any legal argument to me, Judge, please go with your heart on this or your gut?

SOTOMAYOR: Well, I've actually had lawyers say something very similar to that. (LAUGHTER) I've had lawyers where questions have been raised about the legal basis of their argument. I thought one lawyer who put up his hands and said, but it's just not right. (LAUGHTER) But it's just not right is not what judges consider. What judges consider is what the law. says.

KYL: You've always been able to find a legal basis for every decision that you've rendered as a judge?

SOTOMAYOR: Well, to the extent that every legal decision has -- it's what I do in approaching legal questions is, I look at the law that's being cited. I look at how precedent informs it. I try to determine what those principles are of precedent to apply to the facts in the case before me and then do that. And so one -- that is a process. You use...

KYL: Right. And -- and all I'm asking -- this is not a trick question.

SOTOMAYOR: No, I wasn't...

KYL: I can't imagine that the answer would be otherwise than, yes, you've always found some legal basis for ruling one way or the other, some precedent, some reading of a statute, the Constitution or whatever it might be. You haven't ever had to throw up your arms and say, "I can't find any legal basis for this opinion, so I'm going to base it on some other factor"?

SOTOMAYOR: It's -- when you say -- use the words "some legal basis," it suggests that a judge is coming to the process by saying, "I think the result should be here, and so I'm going to use something to get there."

KYL: No, I'm not trying to infer that any of your decisions have been incorrect or that you've used an inappropriate basis. I'm simply confirming what you first said in response to my question about the president, that, in every case, the judge is able to find a basis in law for deciding the case. Sometimes there aren't cases directly on point. That's true. Sometimes it may not be a case from your circuit. Sometimes it may be somewhat tenuous and you may have to rely upon authority, like scholarly opinions and law reviews or whatever.

But my question is really very simple to you: Have you always been able to have a legal basis for the decisions that you have rendered and not have to rely upon some extra-legal concept, such as empathy or some other concept other than a legal interpretation or precedent?

SOTOMAYOR: Exactly, sir. We apply law to facts. We don't apply feelings to facts.

KYL: Right. Now, thank you for that.

Tony Tutins (mail):
I guess it was the President's turn to be thrown under the bus. Understandably, Sotomayor has enough of her own statements to explain; she doesn't need to take on the taks of interpreting the President's remarks.
7.14.2009 11:44pm
Brooks Lyman (mail):
As a lawyer and professor of Constitutional law, Obama ought to know better than to natter on about empathy and judging, particularly in the context of the Supreme Court.

I wonder if one can be a successful US President in the early 21st century on a platform of empathy?

I can see a possible need for (or excuse for) empathy at the district court level, but most SC cases are pretty well boiled down to the essentials by the time they get there.
7.15.2009 12:00am
Tony Tutins (mail):

I can see a possible need for (or excuse for) empathy at the district court level, but most SC cases are pretty well boiled down to the essentials by the time they get there.

A cynic might believe that the white males (and AA hating black male) on the Supreme Court had empathy for Ricci that was notably missing when they disposed of Lilly Ledbetter's case.

In fact, didn't the Ledbetter case turn on discerning the intent of Congress, and didn't Congress make it clear the Court had misread their intent?
7.15.2009 12:25am
empathize with the administration please:
I wonder what all the shrill defenders of empathy in judging will say now. I can already hear them squirming, and straining mightily to spin her comments as 'just a white lie,' or 'just political triangulation.'

Too funny.
7.15.2009 1:32am
MlR (mail):
Well, that's nice.

And if she weren't lying, it might matter a damn.
7.15.2009 1:32am
David M. Nieporent (www):
In fact, didn't the Ledbetter case turn on discerning the intent of Congress, and didn't Congress make it clear the Court had misread their intent?
No. Congress made clear that the Court had got their intent correct, by declining to pass a law to overturn it. Then a different Congress a year later decided that they wanted a new law.


My first comment is irony, just to point out the bias in your question; when Congress accepts the Court's decision, you ignore it as though it says nothing, but then when a later Congress overturns it, you leap on it as though it says something about Congress's view.

In fact, Congress cannot "make clear" any such thing either way. Congress of 2009 has no special insight into the "intent" of Congress from years ago with different members was. All it can "make clear" is that it currently disagrees with the Court's view.
7.15.2009 6:05am
Tony Tutins (mail):

Congress made clear that the Court had got their intent correct, by declining to pass a law to overturn it. Then a different Congress a year later decided that they wanted a new law.

"Declining to pass a law." Cute. The House clarified their intent right away. Senate Republicans prevented the bill from being voted on.

For reference, the statute of limitations was extended to 180 days by the 92nd Congress (Democratic majority in both houses). The Supreme Court did not apply their idiosyncratic interpretation until 2007.
7.15.2009 11:10am
Harry Schell (mail):
I find it hard to believe she had a legal basis in Ricci or the case involving property rights which went further than Kelo in transferring power from individuals to government. IIRC, in both cases she wrote opinions which supported the lower court without addressing the major issues at debate, in short shrift memos.

So, as was concluded already here, the lady has a habit of running from law and discussion if the verdict appeals to her tastes. This is not application of law to facts.

Sort of like Congress "investigating" why they weren't told about assasination planning diclosed in the NYT in 2002. The facts don't matter if this is what "we" want to do now...

As to her explanation about "the wise Latina" comment, I guess it "fell flat" seven times and with her tin ear, she didn't pick up on her faux pas? And she was attempting to help Latins feel good about being lawyers because they are Latins? I thought it would be because they were competent lawyers, their race being secondary.

You are what you do...actions speak so loudly I cannot hear what you say. This woman is not suited for SCOTUS, unless we want to regress to make race, gender and politics more important than the law and the Constitution.
7.15.2009 11:14am
David M. Nieporent (www):
"Declining to pass a law." Cute. The House clarified their intent right away. Senate Republicans prevented the bill from being voted on.
That's a longwinded way of saying, "Congress didn't pass a law." Which is a roundabout way of saying, "Congress agreed with the Supreme Court." Which is a circuitous way of me pointing out your one-way logic: you ignore events when Congress doesn't overturn it, and then cite events when Congress does.

But my underlying point remains that both claims are wrong. The 2009 Congress can only reveal the 2009 Congress's intent; it cannot "clarify" the intent of a Congress from decades ago. (While I admit that a few people are unfortunately still around from the earlier Congress, they don't speak for that Congress as a whole.)

The act of the 2009 Congress in overturning a Supreme Court decision simply says what the 2009 Congress wants the law to be, not what it was intended to or understood to mean.
7.15.2009 12:19pm

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