"Deference":

An exchange between the majority and the dissent in Norwood v. Vance, decided yesterday by the Ninth Circuit. The issue:

Defendants claim the district court erred by refusing to give the following jury instruction:

In considering whether defendants were deliberately indifferent to the need for outdoor exercise, the jury should consider that defendants had a competing obligation under the Eighth Amendment to ensure the safety of prisoners, including protecting prisoners from each other. In considering these factors, you should give deference to prison officials in the adoption and execution of policies and practices that in their judgment are needed to preserve discipline and to maintain internal security in a prison.

The district court initially agreed to the language but, after plaintiff objected, declined to include it on the ground that “deference” was “undefined.”

Part of Chief Judge Kozinski's argument for the majority:

The district court declined to give the proposed instruction because the meaning of deference would not be “clear to a lay person.” But “deference” is not Urdu or Klingon; it is a common English word. See, e.g., Michael Crichton, Airframe 78 (1996) (“[S]he certainly knew where all the bodies were buried. Within the company, she was treated with a deference bordering on fear.”). It may be true that deference has varied meanings, Dissent at 8515 n. 4, but so do most English words. If the district judge believed the term needed further context or definition, he could have provided it.

Part of Judge Thomas's dissent:

The majority criticizes the trial judge on this point, contending that deference is a commonly understood lay term, and could not have been confusing. However, its citation of language in the novel Airframe illustrates the problem. Instructing a jury to give prison officials deference, if deference commonly “borders on fear,” is not a correct application of the law and would have amounted to directing a verdict in favor of the government. Even in our sterile legal environment, deference comes in varietals, such as Chevron deference, Skidmore deference, and sardonic deference. See, e.g., Massiah v. United States, 377 U.S. 201, 208 (1964) (White, J., dissenting) (“With all due deference, I am not at all convinced that the additional barriers to the pursuit of truth which the Court today erects rest on anything like the solid foundations which decisions of this gravity should require.”). And, of course, there is more than one breed of institutional deference relevant to this case. See, e.g., McCord v. Maguire, 873 F.2d 1271, 1274 (9th Cir.1989) (correctly noting that we must be “mindful of the deference due the verdict of a jury”) (citation omitted). Here, the trial judge quite rightly concluded that to give an instruction that mixed legal standards and, in effect, told the jury to layer deference upon deference, was not appropriate -- particularly when the judge had already given an entirely proper instruction on the topic. (I must, however, acknowledge that the majority is quite correct in intuiting that, unsurprisingly, there is no Klingon word for “deference.” See generally Marc Okrand, THE KLINGON DICTIONARY (Star Trek 1992)).

Thanks to commenter Dave N for the pointer.

Phatty:
It's an intellectual argument that ignores the reality of the situation. A normal jury composed of the usual morons will not even understand commonly used terms, assuming they even bother to read the instructions given.

You have to be careful to never say "prior" instead of "before" when speaking to a jury, because most jurors won't even know what "prior" means.
7.10.2009 5:43pm
BRM:
Judge Thomas has the better of this argument.
7.10.2009 5:44pm
josh bornstein (mail):
Nice, Eugene,

I'd be interested in knowing how many times Klingon has been referenced in published opinions. Star Trek? South Park? I would imagine that the bulk of these sort of 'inside baseball' references come from a small group of judges.

I usually find these to be a little salt and pepper, to give spice to opinions that might otherwise be dull. As long as a judge does not get carried away with his or her own cleverness, I like seeing things like this.

Hab SoSlI' Quch!
7.10.2009 5:51pm
wm13:
I would suggest, as more demotic, "appropriate respect" in lieu of "deference." I don't know if that translates into Klingonese any better.

And isn't the language called "Klingonese" not "Klingon"? I'm quite sure that in "The Trouble with Tribbles," one of the Klingon officers refers to the whole quadrant learning "Klingonese."
7.10.2009 5:54pm
Juan Inukshuk:
josh bornstein,
There are 27 hits for "Klingon" on via Quicklaw's "US - Federal State Cases Sources, Combined" database. However all but 5 of them refer to a Robert M. Klingon or a Dr. Gerald Klingon (good bedside manner).

wm13,
I think its acknowledged to be Klingon now, I guess consider the tribbles reference to be akin to when characters called the Klingon homeword "Kling". There are retcons to justify it, of course.
7.10.2009 6:31pm
themighthypuck (mail):
Snark v Snark, Cute.
7.10.2009 6:58pm
Specast:
Agree that Judge Thomas has the better of the argument. The proposed instruction says -- essentially and especially to a layperson -- "in reaching your verdict, consider X versus Y, but defer to Y."
7.10.2009 7:22pm
Cornellian (mail):
I wonder if Urdu speakers are getting tired of having their language considered as "way out there exotic" on a par with Klingon.

You never hear someone say "[English word] is not French or Klingon" or "[English word] is not Spanish or Klingon."
7.10.2009 10:13pm
Sasha Volokh (mail) (www):
I'm not 100% sure, but I think The Trouble with Tribbles, like some other old Trek material, uses "Klingonii" for the Klingon language. Now we just use "Klingon" for the adjective. Similarly, a very early Star Trek episode referred to Vulcans as "Vulcanians."

I don't know about Klingon, but one recent law review article does cite the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. See Alexander Volokh, Privatization and the Law and Economics of Political Advocacy, 60 Stan. L. Rev. 1197, 1253 n.249 (2008):


Compare also FER. R. ACQ. 34 ("War is good for business."), with FER. R. ACQ. 35 ("Peace is good for business."), in QUARK, THE FERENGI RULES OF ACQUISITION 19, 21 (Ira Steven Behr ed., 1995).
7.10.2009 10:24pm
theobromophile (www):
You never hear someone say "[English word] is not French or Klingon" or "[English word] is not Spanish or Klingon."

No, but "It's all Greek to me" is a very common phrase. :)
7.10.2009 10:43pm
John (mail):
I don't think the commenters here are giving the majority opinion sufficient deference.
7.10.2009 10:54pm
Dave N (mail):
I am glad I could help contribute.

And Sasha got to plug his law review article for good measure.
7.10.2009 11:32pm
Dave N (mail):
By the way, though I am a huge Judge Kozinski fan, I thought Judge Thomas had the better argument with respect to "deference," particularly since he cited actual cases while Judge Kozinski cited a Michael Crichton novel.
7.10.2009 11:36pm
Cornellian (mail):
No, but "It's all Greek to me" is a very common phrase. :)


Kinda makes me wonder what the equivalent phrase would be in Greece.
7.11.2009 1:59am
Malvolio:
No, but "It's all Greek to me" is a very common phrase. :)
Kinda makes me wonder what the equivalent phrase would be in Greece.
The Greeks say, "Αὐτὰ μοῦ φαίνονται κινέζικα", "It seems like Chinese to me."

When I was a kid, the inherently incomprehensible language was Choctaw, for some reason.
7.11.2009 3:05am
micdeniro (mail):
Sorry to interrupt the fascinating discussion re Klingon, but I believe the premise underlying the jury instruction was bad law.

Judge Kozinski wrote, “It is well established that judges and juries must defer to prison officials’ expert judgments.” (at p. 8500.)

His recitation of the facts shows that groups of inmates were locked down following attacks on correctional officials for periods of various duration based on their race or ethnicity.

The scope of the deferential standard referred to by Judge Kozinski was restricted in Johnson v. California ((2003) 543 U.S. 499), where the SC held that strict scrutiny is required whenever the government uses racial classifications, including in prisons.

“Strict scrutiny does not preclude the ability of prison officials to address the compelling interest in prison safety. Prison administrators, however, will have to demonstrate that any race-based policies are narrowly tailored to that end.” (at p. 514.)
7.11.2009 9:01am
Soronel Haetir (mail):
micdeniro,

Except it appears this case arose from behavior in 2002 and 2003 so QI would still apply.

I do think it's sad that such a simple case is still being litigated.
7.11.2009 9:17am
Toby:

When I was a kid, the inherently incomprehensible language was Choctaw, for some reason

When people still learned Latin, and before Political Correctness, beginning students were challenged as much by the word order as by the grammar. As I [dimly] recall it was something like Object, verbal clauses, explantory clauses, subject, maybe] verb. Aparantly this had some similarity to how native Amricans of the Choctaw tribe spoke when they had just learned English, suggesting perhaps that their word order was somewhat like that of Latn.

Students were urged to translate the words, arange by reference, and only then unravel to English.

I seem to recall the partial translation for some Caesar as

The having been killed soldiers, weary from having marched all day, by the Helvetians fierce in battle were desecrated

This was universally referred to as Chocktaw by Latin teachers,as in "Translate into Choctaw, and then into English." This might account for the surpising currency of Choctaw as a a commonly referenced language back in the day.
7.11.2009 10:09am
BZ:
Well, in response to Executive Order 13166 (signed by Pres. Clinton on Air Force One on his way to the Democratic Convention, and which requires all govt agencies and contractors to provide multi-lingual services upon request), Multnomah County, Oregon, issued an RFP for Klingon speakers to translate in their mental health services department. This was in response to one request from a patient who requested services and would only speak in Klingon. After it became a national discussion point when the late Jim Boulet published a description in The Corner, the County backed down and fashioned a "well, it was only a joke" defense.

Note: the Snopes and Urban Legend descriptions on this episode are somewhat skewed, omitting entirely the RFP and its legal basis, and focussing only on the apologias afterwards. See, e.g., this "explanation":
"Then this impression is reinforced by using the quote "We have to provide information in all the languages our clients speak," as if it were an earnest indication of a legal requirement, not a deadpan joke. The second quote concerning "this was all they would speak", is similarly used as if it were serious. All material indicating only-kidding-folks has been deleted in the AP rewrite: "County officials said that obligates them to respond with a Klingon-English interpreter, ..." www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/5/11/7032/18347. Except, by golly, there is that little problem of EO 13166, which does, in fact, say that the county has to at least consider whether there have been any such requests, and if the requests deal with health or safety, the county must provide the services in the language requested. Kind of an "earnest indication of a legal requirement, not a deadpan joke." Sigh. Hindsight may not always be 20-20.
7.11.2009 1:18pm

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