Patriot Act Hysteria -- A Trip Down Memory Lane:
Back in 2002 to 2005, it was common for the media to go nuts whenever anyone claimed that anything bad that happened was related to the Patriot Act. Someone would trip on a banana peel and announce that the banana peel was put there by the Patriot Act, and TV and major newspapers would go bonkers over the alleged abuse. ("Why is the government using the Patriot Act to place banana peels on the sidewalk?!?!? Why is it assaulting innocent Americans? This has nothing to do with terrorism!!").

  It was kind of fun to poke holes in these stories, in part because it was so easy: All you needed to do was actually read the Patriot Act and have some basic understanding of the laws that it amended. For some reason I will probably never understand, this basic step occurred to very few people actually talking about the Patriot Act to and in the media. But so it goes.

  Anyway, this trip down memory lane is inspired by a recent case of Patriot Act hysteria — the case of a 16-year old who was arrested for making bomb threats at Purdue University. The FBI obtained an search and arrest warrant for the 16 year-old, came to his parents home, and arrested him and searched the home. He was arrested, formally charged, appointed a lawyer, and has had a few court appearances already.

  What makes the story big news is that the kid's mom purports to believe that her son is entirely innocent and that the Government took him away under the Patriot Act in violation of all of his constitutional rights. A local TV station and a radio show apparently didn't check on whether the claims had any validity — or even whether the law was as the mom described — and they ran the story. The written version of the TV report is here, and the video version — which is really the best part, I think — is here. The story then took off across the net.

   I thought about poking holes in this story just for old times' sake, but Kevin Poulsen of Wired News got there first. He has two great posts on this: Bloggers, TV, Go Nuts Over Misleading ‘Patriot Act’ Arrest Claim. He then follows up with a bit more about the evidence of what the teenager did — and what the mother knew — in this post: Teenage Bomb Threat Suspect Was Internet Prank-Call Star. DOJ's press release in response to the misleading coverage is here. There are a lot of gems in Poulsen's coverage — very much worth reading.

  Finally, I'll add a postscript that shouldn't be necessary but probably is. Pointing out that almost all the stories of alleged "Patriot Act abuses" have nothing to do with the Patriot Act at all (and usually are not actually "abuses") does not mean that I do not think there are civil liberties abuses in America; that such abuses should not be taken seriously; or that the Patriot Act was perfect in every way. The point is about incredibly bad media coverage, and how easily some stories are told and retold even if the facts don't back them up — even today, almost 8 years after the Patriot Act was passed.
http://volokh.com/?exclude=davidb :
The drafters of the USA Patriot Act bear some small amount of responsibility for all this. It's hard to imagine a more Orwellian name for a piece of legislation.
5.8.2009 1:57pm
David Chesler (mail) (www):
I wondered about that story, but there weren't enough hints in it (even the version Ron Paul's site picked up) to track it down. Thanks.

Interestingly enough, the sign at my local Target pharmacy that giving a false name when I buy my pseudoephedrine is a Patriot Act violation apparently is true. The sign quotes a wrong title of the US Code (IIRC a 19 becomes an 18) and the nasty section they quote is about falsifying any sort of log book, but apparently the limits on Sudafed Classic really were in the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act re-enactment.
5.8.2009 2:05pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):
Yeah, Kevin Poulsen was one of few voices of reason on this. Good for him. I blogged it too, but he beat me by a couple of days and was more entertaining.

This is extremely reminiscent of the Tamera Jo Freeman hysteria back in January, when a legally-illiterate L.A. Times and many credulous and indignant bloggers concluded that a woman had been jailed and lost her kids under the Patriot Act for being rude on an airplane, when the facts were quite different than reported and the defendant was actually prosecuted under a pre-existing statute.

The dominant American approach to the Patriot Act: among the people who passed it, in the media, among commentators on the internet -- is willful ignorance.

By the way, as an ex-AUSA I'm embarrassed that the media found a credulous ex-AUSA to give them sound bites buying into the Patriot Act angle without considering the entirely more plausible and legally correct federal juvenile procedure issue.
5.8.2009 2:06pm
OrinKerr:
http://volokh.com/?exclude=davidb :

Why is "USA Patriot" an "Orwelian" name?

For more blogging about the Act's name being an important part of the debate over it, and why I don't find that very convincing, see this post from 2004
5.8.2009 2:07pm
Dave N (mail):
OrinKerr and http://volokh.com/?exclude=davidb,

I don't find the name USA PATRIOT Act "Orwellian"--just too clever by half and kind of stupid.
5.8.2009 2:11pm
Gino:
It's a law. We have so many about, I'm sure we can do without it.
5.8.2009 2:29pm
Nifonged:
I appreciate the coverage Orin.

There are definitely problems with the Patriot Act, but when I first heard about this story I was 99% sure it was a hoax. I agree with your point about bad media coverage, but what can we do with a population, many highly educated, that believe this stuff?
5.8.2009 2:29pm
Oren:
Still pissed about the Patriot Act being used to interdict my drugs.
5.8.2009 2:31pm
http://volokh.com/?exclude=davidb :

Why is "USA Patriot" an "Orwellian" name?

A poor description on my part. I was trying to express something that might actually be non-stupid. Maybe. Take two:

I was trying to get at the idea that it's a particularly ham-handed name that, in the wake of 9/11 and novels like 1984, is bound to make suspicious people freak. It has a vaguely ominous "Ministry of Truth" ring to it. With overtones of the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

Incidentally, I agree with your prior post that the name can't justly be blamed for "pressuring" people to vote in favor of it.
5.8.2009 2:32pm
geokstr (mail):

The point is about incredibly bad media coverage, and how easily some stories are told and retold even if the facts don't back them up — even today, almost 8 years after the Patriot Act was passed.

And this is limited to the Patriot Act...?

Note there is a political unidirection here again, like in most of the issues raised on this site. The Patriot Act is associated with Bush, therefore, everything sensational that can possibly be twisted must be hysterically attributed to it by the media.

Had the Patriot Act been an even more poorly written piece of legislation, but authored by the Dems to protect Gaia from the evils of capitalism, do you think the reporting would be relentlessly positive or negative about it, despite trillions of dollars of disruption to the economy?
5.8.2009 2:32pm
Dan M.:
There's also the possibility that the woman freaked out when the cops showed up and screamed at them about what authority they had to take her son and search her home. They might have simply said "Read the Patriot Act" or something just to get her to shut the hell up.

Way too many people freaked out about this and it's nice to actually know the charges and the evidence before you complain about civil liberties violations.

Some people pretend that 16-year-olds are harmless. The kid looks pretty shady in the pictures they've shown but the news reports tried to portray the kid as an awesomely nice kid and super patriot. Apparently he's a super asshole.
5.8.2009 2:33pm
Oren:

Of course, I recognize that many politicians felt tremendous pressure to enact some kind of anti-terrorism law in the weeks following 9/11. But that pressure had nothing to do with name of the bill.

They felt pressure to enact an anti-terrorism law but somehow managed to pass a generic-law-enforcement powers law -- that's truly amazing!

The name is Orwellian, of course, because the law takes a good thing (giving the gov't more power to investigate and prosecute terrorist threats) and assigned that meaning to something entirely different -- giving the gov't power power to investigate and prosecute Americans.
5.8.2009 2:36pm
Oren:
s/"power power"/"more power"/g -- should have proofread.
5.8.2009 2:37pm
RowerinVa (mail):
"For some reason I will probably never understand, this basic step occurred to very few people actually talking about the Patriot Act to and in the media."

True but this hardly makes Patriot Act coverage unique. Or even legal coverage unique. Law enforcement, gun-related, environment-related, and education-related stories seem to be particular prone to this, despite the fact that most errors could be prevented with a brief Google search or call to a friend who didn't share the reporter's priors.

Sensationalism sells. Which story is going to make your name as a reporter: "Patriot Act abuses on the rise!" or "Patriot Act largely irrelevant to 99.99% of Americans."
5.8.2009 2:45pm
Oren:

All you needed to do was actually read the Patriot Act and have some basic understanding of the laws that it amended.

Sure:
Sneak and peak warrants (50 U.S.C.
§ 1804 and 50 U.S.C. § 1823): unconstitutional

NSL's (18 U.S.C. § 2709) -- unconstitutional
5.8.2009 2:50pm
Desiderius:
JL,

I think an additional caveat you might add that could gain some traction would involve the consequences of too frequent wolf-cries on the public's vigilance toward actual wolves.
5.8.2009 2:56pm
pete (mail) (www):
I think much of the criticism of the Patriot act is overblown (especially among librarians) and had the same thoughts when I read this story yesterday that the story was lacking a lot of deatils about how the patriot act was involved. But I do agree that it was a pretty stupid name for a law since the it does not have anything to do with patriotism.
5.8.2009 3:14pm
Oren:

I think much of the criticism of the Patriot act is overblown (especially among librarians)

How about among the Federal Courts?
5.8.2009 3:36pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):
How about among the Federal Courts?




You mean in judicial rulings? Courts, at least, tend to identify the particular provision of the Patriot Act provision in question and explain with precision what is wrong with it. Such decisions also tend to specify whether the provision in question is new to the Patriot Act or whether it is a pre-existing law, changed in some way (perhaps not even in a material way) by the Patriot Act.

By contrast, most media and blogger and forum-posting commentary displays no precision whatsoever about what specific provision of the Act is objectionable. Moreover, many (if not most) stories and comments decrying some part of the Patriot Act are actually talking about some provision of law that preexisted the Act and was changed, if at all, in cosmetic or non-material way.
5.8.2009 3:42pm
Perseus (mail):
How about among the Federal Courts?

The criticisms are especially overblown among the Federal Courts.
5.8.2009 3:44pm
Fub:
Ex-Fed wrote at 5.8.2009 2:06pm:
By the way, as an ex-AUSA I'm embarrassed that the media found a credulous ex-AUSA to give them sound bites buying into the Patriot Act angle without considering the entirely more plausible and legally correct federal juvenile procedure issue.
Dan M. wrote at 5.8.2009 2:33pm:
There's also the possibility that the woman freaked out when the cops showed up and screamed at them about what authority they had to take her son and search her home. They might have simply said "Read the Patriot Act" or something just to get her to shut the hell up.
That phenomenon, authorities falsely stating that they are acting pursuant to The PATRIOT Act, has been very widespread. I'm not going to look up all the local news stories, but anybody reading papers or the web saw plenty of them shortly after the law was passed. The general gist was "Man arrested for something silly. Cops say they are authorized by The PATRIOT Act."

That is why I think Prof. Kerr's derision of "the media" and the general public is misplaced. If a public official tells a reporter "We were authorized by The PATRIOT Act", then the reporter is not being hysterical to report that fact. The reporter is reporting a fact. Ordinary citizens are not being hysterical to believe that a government official is making an truthful statement.

The culprits are the government officials, not "the media" nor "hysterical" citizens.
5.8.2009 3:51pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):
But Fub, shouldn't part of responsible journalism require probing beyond such a statement, assuming that a cop made it? If a cop said "He was arrested pursuant to the Mayor's inherent powers to punish sedition," you wouldn't print it, or believe it, without comment. Unless you were lazy, or an idiot. Why is the Patriot Act different?

Ordinary citizens are not being hysterical to believe that a government official is making an truthful statement.



Actually, it's entirely possible that they are. Certainly they are being credulous.
5.8.2009 4:14pm
Oren:



By contrast, most media and blogger and forum-posting commentary displays no precision whatsoever about what specific provision of the Act is objectionable. Moreover, many (if not most) stories and comments decrying some part of the Patriot Act are actually talking about some provision of law that preexisted the Act and was changed, if at all, in cosmetic or non-material way.

Granted, but that seems to be true about 90% of everything anyway.
5.8.2009 4:15pm
Oren:

If a cop said "He was arrested pursuant to the Mayor's inherent powers to punish sedition," you wouldn't print it, or believe it, without comment.

You mean when Frank Melton drove around Jackson with a police badge, carrying a concealed weapon and raiding houses with a warrant, the Jackson Free Press ought not topublish his ridiculous assertions (and willful violation of the law)?
5.8.2009 4:22pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):

You mean when Frank Melton drove around Jackson with a police badge, carrying a concealed weapon and raiding houses with a warrant, the Jackson Free Press ought not topublish his ridiculous assertions (and willful violation of the law)?


I think you missed the "without comment" part of my post, Oren. A paper should do exactly what that one did -- probe whether the claim is supported, demonstrating a rational level of skepticism.
5.8.2009 4:41pm
pete (mail) (www):

How about among the Federal Courts?


At least in the federal courts people have to prove something and present evidence. Most librarians who rant about it (and there are a good number that do, i just heard one yesterday at a training I attended) will never actually point to a specific instance where the act actually was ever used in a library setting. But the mere possibility that an inverstigation could possibly be used to have someone look at a persons library records meant the sky was falling.
5.8.2009 4:42pm
Philistine (mail):
I have to agree that "Patriot Act" coverage is generally wrong and overblown (of course, so is most mainstream media coverage of legal issues). "Patriot Act" seems to have become shorthand for scary things the government does.

All that aside however--the kid was taken away from his home in North Carolina and has been held in a juvenile facility in Indiana for two months already.

I know nothing about federal juvenile justice--but a quick look at the statutes suggest that he should only be held if "detention of such juvenile is required to secure his timely appearance before the appropriate court or to insure his safety or that of others" 18 USC § 1534 and, in any event, "Whenever possible, detention shall be in a foster home or community based facility located in or near his home community." § 1535

I'm not saying the Patriot Act claptrap is justified, and from reading the link the kid seems like an odious jerk (and the mother may have known what he was doing)--and the sealing of the record prevents us from knowing the reasons for the detention, but I think the mom may have a point to be upset on having her kid yanked several states away--presumably until trial.
5.8.2009 4:53pm
Apodaca:
Oren writes:<blockquote>NSL's (18 U.S.C. § 2709) -- unconstitutional</blockquote>Except that section 2709 was enacted in 1986, a good 15 years before the Patriot Act. And the parts found unconstitutional in the cited decision were in the original 1986 legislation.
5.8.2009 5:09pm
George Weiss (mail) (www):
orin's reaction was exactly my reaction when i saw this in the news
5.8.2009 5:20pm
Ken Arromdee:
Most librarians who rant about it (and there are a good number that do, i just heard one yesterday at a training I attended) will never actually point to a specific instance where the act actually was ever used in a library setting.

Considering that a librarian who is forced to turn over records will be under a gag order, how does this mean anything?

Besides, let's suppose the law has never been used against libraries. Would that matter? Suppose the law said "the government can shoot all Jews" but so far the law has only been used to take down a couple of serial killers who happened to be Jewish. Would you then feel better about that law, just because the government doesn't (yet) take advantage of this law in all the ways they could?
5.8.2009 5:26pm
CMH:

If a public official tells a reporter "We were authorized by The PATRIOT Act", then the reporter is not being hysterical to report that fact.


Great scene from Arrested Development like this. Paraphrasing, Prosecutor tells investigation target that the PATRIOT Act allows for any statements made during a mock trial television program are admissible in a real court of law, subject to the discretion of the presiding judge or the Executive Producer.
5.8.2009 5:32pm
levisbaby:

does not mean that I [do not] think ... that the Patriot Act was perfect in every way.

Just perfect in almost every way?
5.8.2009 5:40pm
MartyA:
You have to appreciate the kid's (and his mother's) bad luck. Had this happened while Bush was president, Sharpton, Code Pink and every other left wing organization would be marching and blaming Bush. The media would be 24/7 screaming Bush's excess. But, since Obama is above that, coverage has to be limited to the internet.
5.8.2009 5:43pm
Fub:
Ex-Fed wrote at 5.8.2009 4:14pm:
But Fub, shouldn't part of responsible journalism require probing beyond such a statement, assuming that a cop made it? If a cop said "He was arrested pursuant to the Mayor's inherent powers to punish sedition," you wouldn't print it, or believe it, without comment. Unless you were lazy, or an idiot. Why is the Patriot Act different?
Or concerned about retaliation for talking back to your betters if you press with embarrassing questions. Or concerned about accusations of bias if you say in the news report "the cop and the mayor were wrong about the law."

You may not "believe it", but you certainly should print it. The official said it. His irresponsibility should be published.

The real problem is government officials of the mind "Question authority, and the authorities will question you!"

Officials who presume unlawful powers are likely to become very hostile and aggressive when questioned about it. Since they have already demonstrated their willingness to act in excess of their lawful powers, a prudent citizen will avoid a confrontation on the official's terms.

So the reporter reports the facts.

The op-ed page can point out that the official was lying, mistaken, or confused. If the editor has the courage and the column space.
5.8.2009 5:43pm
John Moore (www):
I suspect part of the original trashing of the Patriot Act was reflexive Bush bashing, and part was hysteria on the part of civil liberties absolutists. The result was that the legitimate concerns (application it beyond terrorism) were drowned out by all the howling.

I remember reading all the outrage, and then reading the act itself and realizing that it was 99.5% misplaced. Trying to point this out on blogs, of course, was useless.

The name was a horrible mistake. Anyone who understand the American left must realize that "patriotism" to them is a right-wing code word for anti-left or jingoistic or something equally evil (to them). It too easily brings to mind Samuel Johnson's

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel


The PR deafness of the administration (especially Ashcroft) on this was awful.
5.8.2009 5:56pm
John Moore (www):

Unless you were lazy, or an idiot. Why is the Patriot Act different?

Because the press coverage of the PATRIOT Act was irresponsible, sensationalist and full of outright lies.
5.8.2009 5:58pm
OrinKerr:
fub says:
That phenomenon, authorities falsely stating that they are acting pursuant to The PATRIOT Act, has been very widespread. I'm not going to look up all the local news stories, but anybody reading papers or the web saw plenty of them shortly after the law was passed. The general gist was "Man arrested for something silly. Cops say they are authorized by The PATRIOT Act."

That is why I think Prof. Kerr's derision of "the media" and the general public is misplaced. If a public official tells a reporter "We were authorized by The PATRIOT Act", then the reporter is not being hysterical to report that fact. The reporter is reporting a fact. Ordinary citizens are not being hysterical to believe that a government official is making an truthful statement.

The culprits are the government officials, not "the media" nor "hysterical" citizens.
Fub, do you have examples of this? I think I'm pretty informed about the Patriot Act, and off the top of my head I'm not sure I recall this occurring.
5.8.2009 6:13pm
cboldt (mail):
-- to insure his safety or that of others" 18 USC § 1534 [sic 5034] and, in any event, "Whenever possible, detention shall be in a foster home or community based facility located in or near his home community." § 1535 [sic 5035] --
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I'm wondering about the speedy trial provision, 18 USC 5036. And now there is a motion that he be tried as an adult (aka transferred to a criminal proceeding), and I haven't heard of his prior felony conviction. I also wonder WHEN he was charged/indicted under 18 USC 844(e).
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If an alleged delinquent who is in detention pending trial is not brought to trial within thirty days from the date upon which such detention was begun, the information shall be dismissed on motion of the alleged delinquent or at the direction of the court, unless the Attorney General shows that additional delay was caused by the juvenile or his counsel, or consented to by the juvenile and his counsel, or would be in the interest of justice in the particular case. Delays attributable solely to court calendar congestion may not be considered in the interest of justice.
5.8.2009 6:19pm
cboldt (mail):
Links to text versions of the two DOJ Press releases, both out on Indiana.
March 6, 2009 - Juvenile Arrested in Bomb Threat
May 7, 2009 - Juvenile Information Filed
5.8.2009 6:54pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):
Or concerned about retaliation for talking back to your betters if you press with embarrassing questions. Or concerned about accusations of bias if you say in the news report "the cop and the mayor were wrong about the law."

You may not "believe it", but you certainly should print it. The official said it. His irresponsibility should be published.

The real problem is government officials of the mind "Question authority, and the authorities will question you!"

Officials who presume unlawful powers are likely to become very hostile and aggressive when questioned about it. Since they have already demonstrated their willingness to act in excess of their lawful powers, a prudent citizen will avoid a confrontation on the official's terms.

So the reporter reports the facts.

The op-ed page can point out that the official was lying, mistaken, or confused. If the editor has the courage and the column space.



We disagree. I expect more of citizens and reporters than that. And I disagree that it is bias for the media to question government statements about the law. Some government statements about the law are easily provably false, and should be called out as such. Saying so is not bias, and need not be limited to the editorial page. If, for instance, local police arrest a man in a courthouse for disorderly conduct for wearing a jacket that says "Fuck the War," and the police say that they were entitled to do so and that wearing the jacket was not a protected exercise of the First Amendment, only the most dull, ignorant, and complacent journalist would fail to point out that the Supreme Court found an almost identical expression to be protected 30 years ago in Cohen v. California.

Saying ". . . and that's the kind of thing we expect from this administration" can be reserved for the editorial page. Fact-checking assertions about what the law does or does not provide? That's absolutely appropriate in good reporting.
5.8.2009 6:54pm
cboldt (mail):
-- Fact-checking assertions about what the law does or does not provide? That's absolutely appropriate in good reporting. --
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I chase news stories that catch my fancy, and I have NEVER, not one time, found a report that satisfies those criteria. Anybody who wants to understand the story PROPERLY, must, absolutely must, perform independent research and analysis.
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In this case, look at how effectively the statement "He was not CHARGED under a provision of the USA PATRIOT Act" is, at casting ridicule at earlier stories. And still, the available facts don't admit understanding the event.
5.8.2009 7:02pm
cboldt (mail):
-- Some government statements about the law are easily provably false --
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That's rare. The more common case is that the statements use technical language that is not false. At the same time, the statement is incomplete or states an obvious truth. And when the statement is an error (I'm thinking of Fitzgerald's "Libby was the first leaker"), one side of the argument runs off as though the case falls apart once the error is corrected.
5.8.2009 7:08pm
cboldt (mail):
This may answer the "speedy trial" provision. In this case, the "speedy trial" provision of statute did not apply to the time the juvenile was held in federal detention, pending the juvenile information being filed.
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The speedy trial provision of Sec. 5036 is not triggered until the juvenile is charged by information and thus obtains the status of an "alleged delinquent." FN7 Thus, the proper interpretation of the plain language of the applicable provisions reveals that until a juvenile has been charged by an information, pursuant to Sec. 5032, with the commission of an act of delinquency which would have been a crime if committed by an adult, pursuant to Sec. 5031, then the juvenile is not an "alleged delinquent who is in detention pending trial" for the purpose of invoking the thirty-day speedy trial provision of Sec. 5036. FN8

US v. Juvenile Male, 74 F.3d 526 (4th Cir., 1996)
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FN8 begins "In United States v. Doe, 882 F.2d 926 (5th Cir., 1989), the court held that the thirty-day speedy trial clock pursuant to Sec. 5036 began to run when the juvenile was 'first placed in physically restrictive custody.' Id. at 928.," so there is, at least in appellate history, a divergence on how the statute is to be applied.
5.8.2009 8:13pm
Vermando (mail) (www):
I am intrigued by Fub's idea that law enforcement may play a role here. It is my experience that law enforcement personnel are often hazy on specific points of law - it is important to us lawyers but only a small part of their job - so when challenged they will sometimes reach for either the most publicly known or broadest sounding source of authority that comes to their minds. That's a blanket assertion of course - many others either take the time to get to know the law or have the good sense to not get dragged into such discussions - but it is still something I have encountered in other circumstances.
5.8.2009 9:29pm
cboldt (mail):
I'm also curious about the Fed certification in this case. Some bomb threat hoaxes are handled in state courts (One School District in MD had 55 bomb threat hoaxes in one year). To be fair, there are also bomb threat hoaxes handled in federal courts. But I see four issues with no facts for illumination. Certification (removal to fed), speedy charge, speedy trial, and trial as an adult.
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A Kentucky man who claimed to have a bomb aboard a Los Angeles-bound airliner ... 120 days in a county jail.
5.8.2009 9:33pm
Oren:

Except that section 2709 was enacted in 1986, a good 15 years before the Patriot Act. And the parts found unconstitutional in the cited decision were in the original 1986 legislation.


You should really read the cited decision more closely.
5.8.2009 9:45pm
Fub:
Ex-Fed wrote at 5.8.2009 6:54pm:
We disagree. I expect more of citizens and reporters than that. And I disagree that it is bias for the media to question government statements about the law.
I didn't say that I thought it bias to question a policeman's statements. I said that reporters would be accused of bias for such questioning. Every reporter who has ever taken on a police department in print has probably been publicly accused of "anti-police" bias.

I also think it is worth emphasizing that arguing with a cop on the street over what the law is, is utterly foolish. It will only anger the cop, and he can and often will write up the debate into a charge of resisting arrest. When I was practicing law in the 1990s, I had clients whose arrest was sparked because they argued law with a cop instead of saying "yes, sir" and doing precisely as they were told, however legally absurd.
If, for instance, local police arrest a man in a courthouse for disorderly conduct for wearing a jacket that says "Fuck the War," and the police say that they were entitled to do so and that wearing the jacket was not a protected exercise of the First Amendment, only the most dull, ignorant, and complacent journalist would fail to point out that the Supreme Court found an almost identical expression to be protected 30 years ago in Cohen v. California
I also wish reporters would take on false official assertions of law, but I can certainly understand why they don't do it on the spot.
Saying ". . . and that's the kind of thing we expect from this administration" can be reserved for the editorial page. Fact-checking assertions about what the law does or does not provide? That's absolutely appropriate in good reporting.
I agree that fact-checking official assertions of law is the right thing, and certainly is not bias. But I can understand why a local reporter, with a relatively little known or murky point of law, which includes details of "The PATRIOT Act", and righteously indignant local cops, would result in the reporter deciding that discretion is the better part of valor. Better to just write the facts than to deal with the flood of parking tickets, traffic stops and general harassment that too often follow dissing a local cop in print. If the reporter is from out of town, he might be less vulnerable.
5.8.2009 10:05pm
Fub:
OrinKerr wrote at 5.8.2009 6:13pm
Fub, do you have examples of this? I think I'm pretty informed about the Patriot Act, and off the top of my head I'm not sure I recall this occurring.
These were mostly local newspaper stories years ago. I particularly recall one that I think Radley Balko discussed, about a very ordinary guy who was photographing a scenic dam and lake. The park police threatened him with arrest "under The PATRIOT Act" if he didn't stop photographing and hand over his film. I recall there was a spate of similar stupidity in various locales. But most of the reports were in local newspapers, and have long since aged off servers.

A story that involved federal officers and got more national play, but may be of dubious provenance (officers' statements are hearsay from the arrestee), is this one that Declan McCullagh carried in 2002.
5.8.2009 10:08pm
whit:

I am intrigued by Fub's idea that law enforcement may play a role here. It is my experience that law enforcement personnel are often hazy on specific points of law - it is important to us lawyers


my experience is often the exact opposite . imagine that.

for example, (not uncommon example) i recall a certain fellow officer made several arrests pursuant to pedestrian stops. in those stops, he was stopping people for walking with the their back to traffic on a highway. that's an infraction. if there is no sidewalk, you either have to walk OFF the trafficway, or walk against traffic.

anyway...

he sent several case reports in.

at one point, he was talking to a prosecutor and learned all of his cases had been dropped. he asked why. she said that based on how he wrote his reports, it was clear that he was making stops of these people on the side of the road vs. social contact, and since he didn't have RSusp. the prosecutor's dumped them.

the prosecutor had no idea that the pedestrian offense WAS an offense. the officer clearly spelled out what each pedestrian did, but FAILED to mention that it was a violation of RCW bla bla bla.

i learned a valuable lesson from this. generally speaking, i make sure to spell out violations of law that are even slightly out of the ordinary, so prosecutors can catch on.

iow, "i observed XXXX doing XXXX in violation of RCW XXXX".

ime, prosecutors and defense attorneys are frequently more ignorant than the average cop on specific criminal laws. courtroom procedure, rules of evidence, etc. they know way more. but criminal law? ime, they are usually less knowledgeable
5.8.2009 10:15pm
markm (mail):
A paranoiac would see a pattern repeated many times:

-Horrendous violation of rights allegedly authorized by PATRIOT Act.
-Orin Kerr points out that it wasn't the PATRIOT Act, but some other law.
-Horrendous violation of rights is forgotten.

Of course, sometimes when the facts are known, there was no violation of rights. A credible bomb threat is and should be a serious crime, and an intelligent sixteen year old certainly could construct a working bomb - although there'd be ten thousand kids that just wanted to see something go BOOM to one that really intended harg. OTOH, if the Justice Dep't is flouting the laws concerning juvenile pre-trial detention, etc...
5.8.2009 10:35pm
Fub:
OrinKerr wrote at 5.8.2009 6:13pm
Fub, do you have examples of this? ...
OK, I gave it another try. I looked specifically for photographers harassed by police claiming "The PATRIOT Act". Google gives a fair sampling of leads.

Not all the incidents involve police, some are security guards. I found no recent incident reports directly quoting police citing "The PATRIOT Act".

One source with many reports of public and private attacks on photographers is the blog: War on Photography. Recent incidents tend not to involve direct statements by police about "The PATRIOT Act", but do involve equally inaccurate statements which appear to be derived from "PATRIOT Act" myths. For example this recent incident, "You can't take photos of CalTrain since the attack."

This 2005 memo to the National Press Photographers Association (PDF) does at least suggest that in the past police have harassed photographers by specifically mis-citing "The PATRIOT Act":
In summary, we find that there is no federal law that justifies the broad prohibitions that are being imposed on photography in public areas. There is no new federal law, including the Patriot Act, that restricts photography of public buildings and installations on the basis of concerns over terrorism. ...
5.9.2009 1:05am
NicholasV (mail):
Fub : I read the "War oh Photography" site and followed some links. It's absolutely amazing. Putting a guy in jail for a month when he hasn't broken any laws? Is this the USA or the USSR?

It has nothing to do with the PATRIOT act but IMO it's an extremely serious violation of human rights. I think I'll have to add New Hampshire to the list of places I'll never visit.
5.9.2009 4:52am
Apodaca:
I wrote:
Except that section 2709 was enacted in 1986, a good 15 years before the Patriot Act. And the parts found unconstitutional in the cited decision were in the original 1986 legislation.
Oren retorts:
You should really read the cited decision more closely.
Thanks -- read it closely at the time of issuance. The opinion's Sturm und Drang about the PATRIOT Act notwithstanding, the automatic nondisclosure requirement for recipients of section 2709 national security letters wasn't changed one whit in 2001. (Section 2709 was amended, but not in respect of this gag rule.)

I repeat: the specific provision at issue in the opinion you cite dates to 1986. If you'd care to identify which particular section of the PATRIOT Act you think was implicated, I'm sure we'd all be grateful.
5.9.2009 8:44am
Oren:



I repeat: the specific provision at issue in the opinion you cite dates to 1986. If you'd care to identify which particular section of the PATRIOT Act you think was implicated, I'm sure we'd all be grateful.

S2709 was amended to make the NSLs more broadly available, that implicates the gag rule in an obvious way: it might have been justified under the very narrow 1986 requirements (since those requirements actually had the target be relevant to a criminal investigation, modified by PA505(a)(2)(B) to be virtually meaningless) and are now unconstitutional with respect to the broad 2001 requirements.

Tell me, how many NSLs were issued before 2001 and how many challenges to 2709 issued from those uses?

While we are at it, do you want to comment on the other case I cited (all flowing from Mayfield)?
5.9.2009 9:27am
Alexia:
Society has lost its mind when a 16 year old prankster receives this much attention. Even if he is guilty of all of it - it's overkill. I long for the days when the local Sheriff could handle such indiscretions without leaving permanent marks on the records of otherwise intelligent youth.

And yes - I hate the Patriot Act too.
5.9.2009 10:45am
Apodaca:
Oren:
S2709 was amended to make the NSLs more broadly available, that implicates the gag rule in an obvious way: it might have been justified under the very narrow 1986 requirements (since those requirements actually had the target be relevant to a criminal investigation, modified by PA505(a)(2)(B) to be virtually meaningless) and are now unconstitutional with respect to the broad 2001 requirements.
Now you're just making things up.

It is categorically false that 2709's requirements ever "actually had the target be relevant to a criminal investigation." On the contrary, the test as of 1986 was whether the communications service records sought were those of a "foreign power" or an "agent of a foreign power" for purposes of a "foreign counterintelligence investigation." Either you don't know what the statute said (and still says), or you know but don't understand that an FCI investigation is different from a criminal investigation. (I leave aside a third possibility, that you understand the distinction and are deliberately mischaracterizing the statute.)

On your other point, it is correct that the 2001 Act expanded the availability of NSLs. However, your claim that the 2709 gag rule "might have been justified under the very narrow 1986 requirements" (which you've misstated) is your own idle speculation, and appears nowhere in Judge Hall's opinion. What the court found unconstitutional was not which officials could issue NSLs, or what basis they used; rather, the court focused exclusively on the automatic and inflexible effect of the rule gagging the recipient. And no matter how much smoke you blow, the gag rule at issue was enacted 15 years before the Patriot Act.
5.9.2009 1:54pm
Ex-Fed (mail) (www):
Fub:


But I can understand why a local reporter, with a relatively little known or murky point of law, which includes details of "The PATRIOT Act", and righteously indignant local cops, would result in the reporter deciding that discretion is the better part of valor.



How about reporters, and bloggers, who simply, credulously, and without follow-up accept the accused's mother's claim about what the case is about?

The inevitable update:


Lundeby acknowledged that the Patriot Act connection was her interpretation.

"None of the law enforcement officers used that term," she said. "But I knew by their actions that it was the Patriot Act. What else could it be?"
5.9.2009 4:10pm
Mac (mail):

Alexia:
Society has lost its mind when a 16 year old prankster receives this much attention. Even if he is guilty of all of it - it's overkill. I long for the days when the local Sheriff could handle such indiscretions without leaving permanent marks on the records of otherwise intelligent youth.


I do too, Alexia. However, I also long for the days when two teenaged misfits could or would not walk into a high school (Columbine among others) and shoot and kill a lot of people. Those days are gone and now, a 16 year old of reasonable intelligence, is perfectly capable of setting off a bomb and has to be treated accordingly.



It's hard to imagine a more Orwellian name for a piece of legislation.


Really? How about Truth Commission? OK, that is not legislation, but it is terribly Orwellian, no?
5.9.2009 7:06pm
Fub:
Ex-Fed wrote at 5.9.2009 4:10pm:
How about reporters, and bloggers, who simply, credulously, and without follow-up accept the accused's mother's claim about what the case is about?

The inevitable update: ...
Since some reporter obviously followed up to check the facts, I'm not sure what the point is. I think reporters should follow up with fact checking. I was offering my opinion why they sometimes don't, when the source of the erroneous fact is an official.

Fact checking a politically insignificant citizen is less likely to result in negative repercussions for a reporter than taking on "city hall" by embarassing an official.
5.9.2009 9:10pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
That is why I think Prof. Kerr's derision of "the media" and the general public is misplaced. If a public official tells a reporter "We were authorized by The PATRIOT Act", then the reporter is not being hysterical to report that fact. The reporter is reporting a fact. Ordinary citizens are not being hysterical to believe that a government official is making an truthful statement.

The culprits are the government officials, not "the media" nor "hysterical" citizens.


Fub, do you have examples of this? I think I'm pretty informed about the Patriot Act, and off the top of my head I'm not sure I recall this occurring.
You don't watch enough television. It happens all the time on network dramas.
5.10.2009 2:21am
geokstr (mail):

markm:
A paranoiac would see a pattern repeated many times:

-Horrendous violation of rights allegedly authorized by PATRIOT Act.
-Orin Kerr points out that it wasn't the PATRIOT Act, but some other law.
-Horrendous violation of rights is forgotten.

A more generalized version:

An objective person would see a pattern repeated many times:

- Horrendous crimes/violation of rights allegedly perpetrated by Bush/Cheney/conservatives
- Proof obtained that no such thing ever happened
- Left moves on to the next overblown/false charge
- Original debunked crimes/violations become staple of the left's revised history anyway
5.11.2009 9:35am
Fub:
David M. Nieporent wrote at 5.10.2009 2:21am:
You don't watch enough television. It happens all the time on network dramas.
I previously cited a 2002 incident in which officials (according to the arrestee) cited "The PATRIOT Act" erroneously. That establishes existence. The remaining question is quantity.
5.11.2009 11:10am
Oren:

What the court found unconstitutional was not which officials could issue NSLs, or what basis they used; rather, the court focused exclusively on the automatic and inflexible effect of the rule gagging the recipient. And no matter how much smoke you blow, the gag rule at issue was enacted 15 years before the Patriot Act.

Why, pray tell, wasn't the law thrown out as unconstitutional 14 years ago then?
5.13.2009 2:11pm

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