Michael Stern Responds to Peter Strauss on Obama's First Signing Statement:

Co-blogger Eric Posner recently posted Peter Strauss' analysis of Barack Obama's first signing statement, which argues that Obama claimed less sweeping power to withhold information from Congress than did President Bush. Michael Stern, an expert on legal issues involving Congress, has now responded to Strauss here [HT: my colleague Nelson Lund]. Whether or not Stern succeeds in proving that Obama's position is as sweeping as Bush's was, he certainly does show that Obama's statement leaves a great deal of room for him to withhold information whenever the administration claims that the public interest might require it:

With regard to the Grassley Rider, Obama says “I do not interpret this provision to detract from my authority to direct the heads of executive departments to supervise, control, and correct employees' communications with the Congress in cases where such communications would be unlawful or would reveal information that is properly privileged or otherwise confidential.”

Strauss claims that “[t]his is so much less of a reservation than President Bush (and his predecessors) asserted as to give hope that he is serious about transparency, and about taking the muzzle off government personnel. They would simply have ended the sentence at 'Congress.'” . . .

Strauss is simply wrong. Because the Grassley Rider is not a new provision, but has been included in annual appropriations measures since FY1997, one can compare Bush’s signing statements on this exact issue. For example, in a December 10, 2004 signing statement, Bush stated that he would construe the Grassley Rider “in a manner consistent with the President’s constitutional authority to withhold information that could impair foreign relations, national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the performance of the Executive’s constitutional duties.”

Like Obama, Bush purported to authorize the withholding only of certain categories of information. In reality, however, these categories are extremely broad. Indeed, if Bush had stopped after “deliberative processes of the Executive,” his statement would have arguably covered pretty much anything the executive wanted to withhold. As anyone who has performed congressional oversight will tell you, the deliberative process privilege can be and has been (not necessarily properly) used to withhold a great deal of information that the executive prefers not to share with Congress. The words “or the performance of the Executive’s constitutional duties” I translate as meaning “just in case there is something that we can’t justify withholding under deliberative process or other privilege, we will still withhold it if we think it appropriate to do so.”

How is Obama’s statement any different from Bush’s, though? Although it uses different phrases, it amounts to exactly the same thing. “I do not interpret this provision to detract from my authority to direct the heads of executive departments to supervise, control, and correct employees' communications with the Congress in cases where such communications would be unlawful or would reveal information that is properly privileged or otherwise confidential.” If Obama had stopped at “properly privileged,” his statement would still cover anything under Bush’s foreign relations and national security categories (executive privilege) and Bush’s deliberative process category (deliberative process privilege). As a practical matter, this is enough to give the executive flexibility to withhold information in virtually all circumstances. (Needless to say, the word “properly” is meaningless because it is the executive that will decide what is “properly” privileged).

My own view is that both Bush and Obama's positions show insufficient respect for Congress' authority. If Obama's statement is an improvement over Bush's in this respect, it is at most a very marginal one. In practice, both statements seem to allow the administration to withhold information from Congress almost any time it wants to do so.

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J. Aldridge:
My own view is that both Bush and Obama's positions show insufficient respect for Congress' authority.

Like Congress' authority to tax and spend on objects not within the sphere of delegated powers to touch? Like Congress's authority to police and regulate anything that might travel beyond state lines?

Congress lost all respect to have its authority respected long ago.
3.14.2009 12:11pm
corneille1640 (mail):
Sometimes less is more. Obama by (apparently) claiming less than Bush Jr. and Clinton (apparently) claimed, he might in practice actually exercise more discretion.

One question I would have for Michael Stern is, are there precedents for what counts as "properly privileged"? It seems like President Nixon's failed claims of privilege, at the very least, might have initiated some sort of jurisprudential limitations on what counts as "properly privileged." However, I am neither a lawyer nor an expert on politics. Just curious.
3.14.2009 12:13pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
I think the concern about breadth of these exceptions especially since the Obama Administration has apparently used "National Security" to deny a FOIA request for discussion drafts of copyright treaties (the ACTA). These discussion drafts are circulated to entertainment industry lobbyists, so this is "transparency" only in an Orwellian sense.

The real solution is to show the abuses, publicise them, and force the Obama administration to defend its actions or abandon the transparency mantra.

Being more transparent than Bush is somewhat like being more transparent than lead......
3.14.2009 12:46pm
Some Dude:
So what are these "signing statements" I keep hearing so much about? They sound like a line-item veto, but that can't be right, those are illegal.
3.14.2009 1:04pm
mls (www):
corneille1640

My view, which I tried to explain in the post, is that Obama did not in fact claim less than did Bush 43. I think that Clinton may in fact have claimed substantially less than either Bush or Obama, but I need to take a look at all of Clinton’s signing statements to verify that.

There is plenty of precedent on what is “properly privileged” in the FOIA area. If one assumes that this is what is referred to in the Obama signing statement, then Congress’s ability to get information is limited to what the general public can get under FOIA, which is not a lot. And, of course, there is still the “otherwise confidential” language, which could be applied to block the disclosure of information that is not “properly privileged.”

Had Obama limited the reservation of authority to, say, information that was “constitutionally privileged,” there would be a stronger argument that he was confining his own discretion in a meaningful way. But he did not do so.

Mike Stern
3.14.2009 1:15pm
Ilya Somin:
My own view is that both Bush and Obama's positions show insufficient respect for Congress' authority.

Like Congress' authority to tax and spend on objects not within the sphere of delegated powers to touch? Like Congress's authority to police and regulate anything that might travel beyond state lines?

Congress lost all respect to have its authority respected long ago.


I have criticized Congress' overreaching in many articles, so I share your frustration with them. However, the fact that Congress has exceeded its powers doesn't justify the executive in doing the same thing.
3.14.2009 1:20pm
Der Hahn (mail):
Is he George W. Obama, or Barak W. Bush?
3.14.2009 1:37pm
corneille1640 (mail):
MLS,

Thanks. I either misunderstood or didn't read the post closely enough.
3.14.2009 1:42pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
Some Dude:

A signing statement is a statement by the President as to his understanding of what he is signing. I don't know what the legal significance of them are. They might be seen as instructions to the executive branch regarding enforcing the rules.
3.14.2009 4:07pm
trad and anon (mail):
Meet the new boss . . .
3.14.2009 4:53pm
Oren:

They might be seen as instructions to the executive branch regarding enforcing the rules.

That is precisely what they are. In real terms, its notice than anyone that wants to enforce those provisions to get their legal team ready (and hope to find someone with standing -- easy in FOIA requests, hard in some other cases).
3.14.2009 5:14pm
Eli Rabett (www):
Oren, your friend Eric Posner appears to think that signing statements are without effect because the courts ignore then. That is idiotic, because as you point out the federal government does not, and to get them thrown out of court you first have to overcome the substantial and time consuming barrier of getting them into court.
3.14.2009 7:03pm
Oren:
Eli, what other mechanism do you propose for a President to do with laws that he feels exceed the bounds of the Constitution? He can't sue at the outset -- there is no case or controversy.

So he's got to either accept an unconsitutional law as binding or he's got to ignore it. And if he ignores it (or directs his executive branch underlings to), he can't be the one that initiates the legal proceedings because there is no relief that he seeks.

If you want to advocate overturn of advisory opinion ban (e.g. amend ArtIII to remove the "case or controversy" clause), that's fine. Barring any such major surgery to the Constitution, however, I don't see any other option.
3.14.2009 9:14pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Oren, your friend Eric Posner appears to think that signing statements are without effect because the courts ignore then. That is idiotic, because as you point out the federal government does not, and to get them thrown out of court you first have to overcome the substantial and time consuming barrier of getting them into court.
You can't -- and don't need to -- "get them thrown out of court" because they aren't laws or regulations. They're just speeches by the president about what he intends to do. When he actually does -- or fails to do -- something in apparent violation of a statute, then you can take legal action.
3.14.2009 9:53pm
einhverfr (mail) (www):
Eli:

Oren, your friend Eric Posner appears to think that signing statements are without effect because the courts ignore then. That is idiotic, because as you point out the federal government does not, and to get them thrown out of court you first have to overcome the substantial and time consuming barrier of getting them into court.


I think there is a big difference between them being without LEGAL effect and them being without effect. If the courts ignore them, they are without legal effect. If the executive branch ignores them too, they are without effect.

So they are not without effect, but I don;t think they have a substantive legal effect.
3.14.2009 11:23pm
Suzy (mail):
Before comparisons with Bush are significant, we would need to know what type of signing statement this is. Does it merely instruct the executive (i.e. the department heads mentioned) as to how the President interprets legislation that is open to a range of potential interpretation? Or does it specifically contradict or achieve the opposite effect of statements in the legislation? The true objection to Bush's signing statements is not just that he issued them, or issued so many of them, or was very protective of executive privilege. Rather, he would occasionally use them to simply nullify or reverse parts of legislation that he opposed. It's not clear to me that's being done in this particular case, but I haven't been able to see the 2009 version of this legislation so I can't be sure. If Obama does it, trust that it will be just as foul to me as when Bush did it.
3.15.2009 9:49am
Oren:

When he actually does -- or fails to do -- something in apparent violation of a statute, then you can take legal action.

Yes, but no executive branch official will violate a signing statement without being compelled to do so by a court. They work for him, he says interpret X this way. IOW, their substantive legal effect is that no executive branch member may disobey a direct command from the POTUS.
3.16.2009 4:10pm

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