U.S. Clears Way for Mercury Treaty:

The United States has dropped its opposition to an international treaty limiting mercury emissions, prompting agreement by over 140 nations to negotiate such a treaty.

Formal negotiations will begin late this year, and U.N. officials hope to conclude the talks by 2013. The White House issued a statement saying a future treaty would use "a combination of legally binding and voluntary commitments" to cut mercury emissions from industrial processes as well as coal-fired power plants and small-scale mining. . . .

A range of industrial activities, including the production of chlorine and the burning of coal, release mercury, which then falls to the earth and the sea in precipitation. The neurotoxin accumulates in fish and marine mammals in the form of methylmercury, which poses a threat to humans when consumed.

While the majority of mercury exposure in the United States stems from non-domestic emissions, all 50 states have issued mercury contamination advisories for fish in their waters. Marine mammals eaten by native Arctic peoples, such as pilot and beluga whales, have mercury concentrations that exceed recommended levels.

FantasiaWHT:
It's nice to know governments are still paying attention to actual pollutants.
2.21.2009 12:09pm
Harvey Mosley (mail):
I guess those Venusians should have been a little more reasonable during the negotio... what?! Not the planet Mercury? Nevermind.
2.21.2009 12:28pm
phaedruscj:
Too bad the new eco friendly bulbs pushed by Gore et al have mercury in them.
2.21.2009 12:58pm
Oren:

Too bad the new eco friendly bulbs pushed by Gore et al have mercury in them.

Actually, for an electrical grid such as the US one where 50% of the power comes from coal, the reduction in power usage actually saves much more mercury from being released into the atmosphere than the content of the bulb. Even if you dispose of your CFLs by incinerating them in a 5000F furnace to ensure that all the mercury gets aerosolized, you still come out ahead (and you come out a factor of 4 ahead if you dispose of the bulb properly).

Now, if we got 50% of our power from nuclear and 20% from coal, instead of the other way around ....
2.21.2009 1:33pm
Steve2:

Too bad the new eco friendly bulbs pushed by Gore et al have mercury in them.


Other than breaking them, which you shouldn't do to begin with because they cost too much to waste, how exactly does that release mercury? Sure, some presumably gets "lost" during manufacture, but it seems like putting mercury inside a light bulb contains the mercury - the opposite of releasing mercury.
2.21.2009 1:46pm
Bob from Ohio (mail):

how exactly does that release mercury


How about when I throw them in the garbage when they wear out and the truck compacts them?
2.21.2009 1:53pm
Mac (mail):
Bob from Ohio.

Exactly. I can't tell you how thrilled I am that I now will have to bring such a serious contaminant into my home and into a landfill near me.
2.21.2009 1:58pm
archetypex (mail):
If mercury is a worry for you, then use an LED bulb instead. They last for over 30,000 hours (or 13.5 years, assuming use of six hours per day, reasonable for residential use), and use 7.5 watts to provide the equivalent light of a 60-watt incandescent (savings of 87.5%).

Or is your opposition to using less energy based solely on the fact that it's what Al Gore wants?

(Disclosure: My only qualm about LED bulbs lies in the fact that I don't know much about what color light they emit. I'm an amateur astronomer, and CFL bulbs run towards the blue end of the spectrum, washing out starlight. Proper baffling of the lights helps, of course, but it's still an issue. Sodium halide bulbs run yellower, but I don't know what their energy usage curve is like. My hope is that LED bulbs can be developed which emit light that is closer to sunlight.)
2.21.2009 2:50pm
GatoRat:
LED bulbs also flicker. Like fluorescents they emit a very specific spectrum of light. Filters are used to make it appear that the light covers more than that spectrum. Flourescents tend to spike in the green (and I mean really spike.) A big problem with both, besides flicker, is that as they age, the filtration breaks down and the lights shift toward what most people find a very unpleasant, if not nauseating, color.
2.21.2009 3:08pm
Mac (mail):
They make LED bulbs that will fit into a standard lamp, ceiling light, chandelier or outdoor light fixture?
2.21.2009 3:37pm
Mac (mail):

Or is your opposition to using less energy based solely on the fact that it's what Al Gore wants?



Not at all. However, now that you have brought up Al Gore, when is he going to quit flying in his private jet, using a limousine, heating his pool to the tune of 500.00 a month and consuming electricity at a rate far exceeding the rate of the average family? When he gets on a bicycle, which he could really, really use, then I'll believe we really have a problem. Also, when temperatures start going up instead of dropping as they have for the last two years.

Ice Age, anyone?
2.21.2009 3:42pm
Duracomm:
archetypex,,

Here is an idea, let people use the kind of bulbs they like.
2.21.2009 4:12pm
Curt Fischer:
Duracomm - Do believe mercury emitted from coal-fired power plants is a pollutant which should be subject to government regulation?

If yes, can you explain why you think a policy to encourage more efficient lighting is a bad idea? These lights are more efficient and thus their use in place of traditional incandescents would lower mercury emissions.

If no, can you explain why not?
2.21.2009 5:45pm
Mac (mail):
archetypex,

I was not being snarky when I asked about LED lights for standard lamps etc.

I want to know if they exist. I really don't like the idea of mercury in my light bulbs or the bulbs in the landfill. And, even though I think global warming, based on the current science, is a crock, I do want to save electricity.

Can you get them to fit standard fixtures?
2.21.2009 7:49pm
archetypex (mail):
>Here is an idea, let people use the kind of bulbs they like.


I never claimed that the use of any kind of bulb should be mandated. I simply came up with an idea that avoided the mercury issue that Mc and Bob From Ohio raised.
2.21.2009 7:53pm
TomT:
Fascism is always for a good reason. Ask the Germans in the thirties and their facism was for a good reason. Of course, we are much more intelligent than they were. In Austrlia, there was serious consideration given to the idea of stripping Australians of their citizenship if they denied global warming.
2.21.2009 8:48pm
Bob from Ohio (mail):

In Austrlia, there was serious consideration given to the idea of stripping Australians of their citizenship if they denied global warming.


Some kooks may have suggested it but that was it. I don't think light bulb mandates is a Holocaust prelude, just stupid.

I was just being a bit snarky though I do think most people just discard them like any other garbage which advocates just ignore. No one is going to take one or two bulbs to a special disposal site.

CFLs are fine but they are the 8 tracks of lower energy bulbs. In 10 years more or less, LEDs will replace them once the spectrum issues are worked out. LEDs use so much less electricity than CFLs that they are the long term solution.
2.21.2009 9:22pm
archetypex (mail):
Mac:

http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx

From the information given, I believe that they do fit standard sockets.
2.22.2009 12:07am
Mac (mail):
archetypex,

Thank you, I †hink. I will go to that web site.
2.22.2009 3:25am
Steve2:

How about when I throw them in the garbage when they wear out and the truck compacts them?


You're right, and that's obvious, but I guess I was looking at the CFLs in the same way as car batteries. Car batteries contain lots of lead, which is a nice and nasty pollutant - so we've got a system for disposing them that doesn't include throw them in the garbage and let the truck squeeze all the nice lead juice out. So, properly handled, the lead in a car battery's more or less a non-issue. I was thinking of CFLs in the same terms.
2.22.2009 12:24pm
Duracomm:
Curt Fischer said,
can you explain why you think a policy to encourage more efficient lighting is a bad idea?
First, it is not a policy to encourage more efficient lighting. It is a government mandated ban on incandescent bulbs.

Congress and the president banned incandescent light bulbs last month.
the bulb business decided to migrate its customers to more-expensive -- and presumably higher-margin -- products by banning the low-cost competition.

"I was kind of involved at the very beginning" of this legislation, Mr. Moorehead says modestly. Indeed, in December 2006, Philips announced a campaign to encourage governments all around the world to phase out low-cost bulbs by 2015.
Second, In addition to the mercury pollution problem these bulbs have other problems.

ENERGY saving light bulbs can trigger migraines, UK health experts have warned.

The Government has acknowledged low energy bulbs could pose a problem. In a written parliamentary answer, Health Minister Ivan Lewis said: `It is known some people with epilepsy may be affected by energy saving light bulbs.'
Normally this would not be an issue because consumers would have the freedom to choose the type of light bulb they wanted.

In this case that choice has been take away by arrogant green activists and corporate rent seekers.

A win win for this baptist and bootlegger coalition.

The corporations get to force consumers to buy their expensive, inferior product. The green activist get to control consumers right down to the level of mandating what type of light bulb they use.
2.22.2009 1:29pm
Duracomm:
Curt and archetypex,

You need to be a lot more concerned about unintended consequences and environmental damage caused by poorly thought out environmental regulation.

Remember the great push to force high efficiency standards on washing machines? Turns out the results were very bad for the average consumer but very good for the green activists and washing machine manufacturers.

Not so long ago, you could count on most washers to get your clothes very clean. Not anymore. Our latest tests found huge performance differences among machines. Some left our stain-soaked swatches nearly as dirty as they were before washing. For best results, you’ll have to spend $900 or more.

Mr. Kazman forecast dirtier clothes and pointed out the dubious assumptions in the cost calculations, but he was no match for the coalition of environmentalists and manufacturers eager to mandate expensive new machines.

Remember the green activist push for biofuels as a solution to global warming?

No surprise to anyone who is technically and / or environmentally knowledgeable, that did not turn out so well either.

New Studies Identify Change in Land Use Associated with Biofuel Production as Major Contributor of Greenhouse Gases, Far Offsetting Benefits of Most Current Biofuels

Two separate studies published in the current online edition of the journal Science identify land use change—the conversion of rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce food-based biofuels or to replace existing cropland diverted to biofuel crop production—as a major source of increased carbon dioxide emissions, far offsetting the presumed greenhouse gas benefits of using most current biofuels.
Technically ignorant but politically strong environmental activists have caused a vast amount of environmental destruction. They are likely to cause more.
2.22.2009 1:48pm
Fub:
Duracomm wrote at 2.22.2009 1:29pm:
Congress and the president banned incandescent light bulbs last month.

...

ENERGY saving light bulbs can trigger migraines, UK health experts have warned.

The Government has acknowledged low energy bulbs could pose a problem. In a written parliamentary answer, Health Minister Ivan Lewis said: `It is known some people with epilepsy may be affected by energy saving light bulbs.'

...

A win win for this baptist and bootlegger coalition.
Fast forward to 2026.

Congress creates the office of "Bulb Czar". First appointment is a hardliner, founder of a CFL / LED lighting company.

SWAT teams around the country raid hundreds of homes daily, arresting thousands for illegal bulb possession. A fledgling movement of epilepsy and migraine suffere has successfully brought citizens initiatives in some states to permit possession and use of incandescent bulbs for medical necessity.

The Bulb Czar announces that the federal government will enforce its prohibition on incandescent bulbs against the patients even if the states do not.

Rival Mexican bulb cartels bring the bulb war to the border, murdering hundreds.

Anti-incandescent bulb "green astroturf" groups, funded by the federal government run prime time ads showing children injured by incandescent bulbs, adults deteriorating to gibbering zombies from using incandescent bulbs, and polar bears dying of heat prostration under glaring (but faked) incandescent lights. The new reality: every time someone switches on an incandescent bulb, a cute cuddly furry polar bear dies somewhere.

But it can't happen here.
2.22.2009 5:49pm
Eli Rabett (www):
FWIW, LED bulbs work pretty much the way that fluorescents work. There is a phosphor coating the inside, which is excited by the (usually) blue light from a GaN LED. The combination of the light from the blue LED and the phosphor appears white. In the future we might use a UV LED to excite phosphors.

Fluorescents work the same way. A low voltage discharge in mercury emits UV light (primarily) which excites the phosphor on the inside of the tube (that powdery white stuff you see when you break one).

In principal you could also combine the light from separate blue, yellow and red LEDs but this is not so much used today, OTOH for some applications like traffic lights where you need a specific color it is better to use colored LEDs

The amount of mercury in any single fluorescent is negligible, however they can be recycled and recycling programs have been set up. Anyone worried about the amount of mercury in a fluorescent should get rid of old style thermostats which have much more mercury.
2.22.2009 7:50pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
I'm surprised that no one has yet noted that at the top of the list of Barack Obama's meager accomplishments as a U.S. Senator -- in fact, the most significant legislation he ever drafted, and for which he served as the principal sponsor -- was the Mercury Export Ban Act of 2008.

Perhaps the most meaningful measure of then-Sen. Obama's accomplishment is that the bill passed both chambers of Congress without a single dissenting vote, and was promptly signed into law by the Democrats' arch-nemesis, George W. Bush -- perhaps ironically on the night of the third presidential debate of the 2008 election season, near the end of a campaign season in which not a single damned member of the mainstream media ever conspicuously pressed Sen. Obama on his lack of significant legislative accomplishment, especially on genuinely controversial issues.
2.23.2009 6:41am
Smitty17 (mail):
"While the majority of mercury exposure in the United States stems from non-domestic emissions"

Uh that was before the state mandated the use and proliferation of Compact flourescent light bulbs-which are loaded with mercury.

Every single one thrown out will eventually get dumped into our landfills &eventually work its way into our water supply-drink up folks!

On top of direct contamination we'll also get indirect mercury contamination from all the compact flourescent bulb makers in Mexico &China that use sloppy manufacturing techniques or use electricty generated from dirty coal power plants.

Our govt is dumber than a bag of hammers, the first thing they should have done was outlaw compact flourescent bulbs-not one is made in America anyway, then work on eliminating conventional flourescent bulbs, LED bulbs are the future.

Does anybody really recycle these things? No, if they did the cost would be $25/bulb.
2.23.2009 8:15pm

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