Legal academia has a somewhat strange institution known as the “look-see visit.” A professor is invited to a host school for a semester or two with the promise that if he sufficiently impresses the faculty, he will be offered a “lateral” position.
This institution of visits has its virtues: it not only allows the host school to “check out” the visitor, but allows the visitor the opportunity to discern whether he would likely be happier at the host school than at his current position.
For those reasons, visits can be a mutually beneficial endeavor. However, many law schools require that all lateral candidates "visit" before they can be considered for a lateral position, and this has significant downsides:
(1) In practice, it has a significant disparate and discriminatory impact on women. Some visitors spend three or four days a week at the host school, and then fly home for long weekends. Others pack up the family for the semester or the year. (And some just leave their family almost entirely for a semester or two.) Men are far more likely to be willing and able to do this than are women, because men (a) tend to be less intensively involved in child care, and (b) their spouses are more likely to be movable for the short-term. (Anecdotally, women professors are relatively more likely to be married to high-powered lawyers, doctors, or other professionals than are men professors.) I know of one women professor who received quite a few impressive visiting offers over the course of a few years--but she had several small children, and her husband was on the partnership track at a major law firm. Exactly how was she supposed to “visit”? Yet, none of these schools would consider her without a visit.
(2) The requirement of a visit reflects, more generally, a devaluation of family life. Even if a professor could leave his spouse and kids for three for four days a week, or the entire semester or year, or move them and disrupt their schooling and social ties for a semester or two, in favor of a career opportunity, should he be asked to?
These strong disadvantages could perhaps be justified if visits were truly invaluable to the host school in making employment decisions. But that is highly doubtful for several reasons:
(1) In other academic fields, faculties manage to make hiring decisions without requiring visits. Indeed, even within legal academia, many law schools make the bulk (or all) of their lateral hires without requiring, or even asking for, visits.
(2) In my anecdotal experience, many law schools that claim to require visits for lateral candidates only truly require visits for candidates who are coming from schools significantly lower down the food chain. If, however, top 20 school has a chance to land a scholar from top 10 school, or even from a similarly ranked school, a scholarly presentation and a day or two of interviews suffices in practice. This makes the mandatory visit seem less like an academic prerequisite for hiring laterals, and more like a hazing ritual imposed by the higher-ranking schools on their "lessers".
(3) Relatedly, judging from conversations with friends who have had look-see visits at a range of top 20 schools, the faculty of the host schools rarely make much of an effort to get to know the look-see visitor. For example, one friend tells me that only two professors actually spoke to her all semester during her visit. Another relates that he didn't know 3 of the 5 members of the appointments committee, and none of those three made any effort to get to know him during his two-semester visit. I've heard quite a few stories along these lines, but no stories that tend in the opposite direction. If the faculty, including the appointments committee, is going to judge a lateral candidate solely on the basis of his or her c.v. and a presentation anyway, as generally seems to be the case, why require the visit to begin with?
Finally, one anomaly of look-see visits is that they are usually arranged by year 1’s appointments committee, but the visitor doesn’t arrive until year 2, when the composition of the committee may have changed significantly, or even entirely. The committee, for example, may have gone from one committed to bringing in a critical race theorist to one devoted to hiring only law and economic ph.d.s. And thus the poor visitor, enticed by the previous year’s committee's blandishments, finds that the current committee just wishes he would go away. (Some law schools are trying to avoid this problem by having the entire faculty vote to invite a look-see visitor.) By contrast, if a lateral candidate is invited to do a presentation and one or two days of interviews, the same appointments committee that invited him will be deciding whether to forward his candidacy to the full faculty.
So, again, I have nothing against visits, look-see or otherwise, and I've enjoyed the three that I've done, and would do them again (but not now, when I have two small children). But I don't see any good reason why look-see visits should be mandatory for lateral candidates.
UPDATE: I forgot to mention that some law schools not only insist on look-see visits, but refuse to consider the candidate's candidacy until after he has gone back to his home institution. So, it's not uncommon for a school to ask a candidate to uproot his life to visit, reroot his life at his home institution, and only then learn whether he's going to be asked to uproot his life again to join the institution he visited.
This can also have advantages in disciplines besides law. But the sense I had at my (amazingly over-rated) alma mater was that this should never have been done. Bring a scholar in from, say, Philadelphia, and have them spend a year in South Bend, Indiana? Wow.
My suggestion, if they would listen: Make an offer after the conference interview. Don't ever let them visit before they've signed the contract.
Whatever the harm to the faculty class, the visiting faculty system seems to greatly benefit students.
Not necessarily. Being willing and able to move permanently is often different than being willing and able to uproot your life for a semester or a year with no guarantee that you'll be in the new location permanently at the end of the period. For the spouse, it's the difference between finding a new job and taking a leave of absence from one job and then finding a temporary job or forgoing income and for the kids it's the difference between changing schools and switching schools potentially twice in one school year.
There's a big difference between asking your spouse to find two new jobs (one near the visiting school and perhaps one more back near the original school if it doesn't work out) for a possibility of helping your career, and asking them to find a new job once, when it will definitely benefit your career.
BTW, I agree with the significant downsides for law school visits, and I am not surprised by the reasons given for the visits being unlikely to be truly valuable to the host school in making employment decisions.
Maybe law professors need a union.
That's the way the free market is supposed to work.
Free market? In universities?? Ha, that's a good one! Do away with the state funding, the state-mandated credentialism, the tax breaks, and the grants, and then we'll talk about how the free market is supposed to work.
Women can desert their families just as easily as men.
Unless, that is, you believe that somehow a family must have a woman around but needn't have a man.
It isn't about what a family "must" have, it's about what a family does have.
I would think the example of a partnership track lawyer would be very resistent to moving as it doesn't seem likely that leaving before making partner would help him elsewhere. If he had made partner, that itself might limit where he can go, though he would probably have more leeway (note: this is speculative future in the context of the problem stated).
That's the way the free market is supposed to work.
The free market works better the more information is out there. Should more lawprof candidates realize the nature of this system, there's a better chance of reaching a more socially optimal solution. Notice that Bernstein is not advocating a ban on these, just pointing out their flaws.
Perhaps those who are asked to visit are borderline in some way or another.
We at Indiana are on the lateral market this year. I wonder if we require a visit? I'll have to refer Prof. Dau-Schmidt to this webpage.
I think you are confusing discriminatory with differing impact. The schools likely have no interest in unfairly burdening women, and likely do have reasons to lower barriers in general (to obtain a more balanced or diverse workforce for whatever reason that might be desirable).
But if anyone has made discriminatory choices it is perhaps then the very women you cite who have done those things listed: value family/child time, or marry spouses with high power and low mobility careers.
People are free to make many choices in their lives. But that does not mean that they are free from the consequences of those choices. If career women wish to equal their male counterparts then they need to start marrying down and getting husbands who are on the daddy-track rather than partnership track.
What bothers me about this post is the implicit notion that somehow child care warrants special treatment that other life choices don't and the explicit claim that the choice women make with their spouses to have the greater share of child care responsibilities somehow means that it's discrimination not to cater to these choices.
I mean ultimately raising children is a choice you make because you prefer that lifestyle. Sure it takes a lot of time and work but it's time and work you choose to undertake. If I choose not to have children why should I have to pick up the slack so you can pursue what you want to do in your private life. It might be subtle but indeed I'm subsidizing your personal pursuits with every dollar the university donates to fund child care (one less for facilities/pay) and with every preferential treatment not given to the rest of us. For instance in graduate school having child care obligations was considered a valid excuse for being unable to teach in the morning but living far away and not liking waking up late wasn't. That meant that people like me (who choose not to have kids partially so I don't have to deal with crap in the morning) endure a greater share of the morning teaching slots to subsidize your private life.
What really pisses me off though is that universities subsidize faculty child care but won't subsidize my trips to visit my wife (she's still in grad school).
Don't get me wrong, it should be possible to raise a family and work as a professor or take most other jobs. However, it should be general flexibility to tolerate any choice in lifestyle not a blatant demand that those of us in the minority subsidize your lifestyle choices. If you want more flexibility in hours or travel or whatever then fine but it should be open to anyone for any reason, maybe at the cost of taking on extra unpleasant duties.
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As for the discrimination issue it's just not a valid argument. I mean if men are statistically more likely to miss morning meetings because of hangovers do you need to offer 'hangover excuses' or eliminate morning meetings do be non-discriminatory? Of course not!
Now true, far more women have child care responsibilities than do men. Yet statistically women are far more likely to desire children then men so it's at least possible that women might find child care more rewarding than do men. Do you even know whether the trade off women (statistically) make favoring reproduction and child care over career is a net positive or negative in terms of utility?
And suppose my wife does research in the amazon rainforest during the summer so I spend every summer with her out of contact with any phone or other means of communication. I suspect not being able to reply to inquires or otherwise interact over the summer would bar me from many positions my summer dwelling wouldn't interfere with. Is that similarly unfair?
Life involves choices and we make these choices in light of the tradeoffs they involve. Children and spousal careers are no different in this matter. We should strive to eliminate all unnecessary tradeoffs but there is no reason to treat childcare any differently than any other choice or obligation people choose to undertake in their free time.
Alright, I'll stop repeating myself here but as someone who has chosen not to have children (but is trying to manage a long distance marriage) it really gets to me when people seem to be assuming that their lifestyle choice should be given given special benefits that they would deny me.
Also: I'm very sympathetic with your notion that people in long-distance marriages ought to receive consideration in course scheduling, and that others' child-related needs shouldn't necessarily trump that. In my scheduling experience, though, people with kids are generally happy to teach on Mondays and Fridays because they have to be in town for their kids to attend school anyway.
Some of your other comparisions seem a bit silly, too: hardly anybody likes waking up in the morning (including parents), but parents have less of a choice about it than most (young kids wake up when sunlight comes through the windows, whether that's at 8am or 6am) and, moreover, have a legal responsibility to get their kids to school at a certain time. In an occupation where we have the rare luxury of being flexible about our work schedules, it seems unsporting to equate that with a hangover or wanting to sleep in.
It isn't about what a family "must" have, it's about what a family does have."
Ahem -- please don't forget that not all families consist of husband and wife. Some are husband and husband, or wife and wife. I guess this is a good argument for gay marriage!
I'm guessing the earnings of said high-powered lawyer or doctor more than make up for the decreased mobility.
Maybe, but if the traditions are set by the males who used to be in charge and who were not sensitive towards such different impacts or who were not aware of them, it is the only rational to analyze them to see whether they still serve a purpose or whether their advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
Considering considerable portion of his taxes is going towards their education or subsidize SCHIP type programs for kids, it is only fair that they might contribute to his retirement benefits later. :)
Our department very rarely will make a direct hire of a tenured faculty. Our experience has been that an offer from us to another top 5 department generates a substantial counteroffer, and in the end we expend a great deal of effort and miss other opportunities, and seldom get the target senior faculty. The typical solution is to expect the senior person to spend a year on a visiting appointment, (I guarantee that there is lots of interaction), and to make an offer if there is a good fit and very solid intent to move to join us.
The upshot is that junior faculty have a far higher probability of gaining tenure than they do at the other top five departments. We like this result.
OTOH, as Jimmy Carter once said life is not fair.
That's been my experience as well: If a potential "opportunity hire" is currently employed at U of X, and we want to bring him to U of Y, what happens? More often than not, he uses our offer to get a significant raise, a course reduction, an endowed chair, or all three from U of X.
We have thus wasted a year of committee time on him, and yet, if we want someone in that field, we will still have to run another search. So at least two years to fill a line.
And yet we keep doing it. As do other universities.
My suggestion has been ignored by the admin, because they're stupid. I say that we offer "look-see conjugal visits." This would make U of Y seem a whole lot more attractive than X. I mean, do you know any senior research U faculty that don't need what we'd be offering?
Is extending the hours of on-campus food service discriminatory, on the theory that men will take more advantage of it than women, even though both groups end up paying for the service?
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