"Federal Sovereignty, State Sovereignty, And The Sovereignty Of 562 Native American Tribes:

A Match Made In Heaven Or Somewhere Less Pleasant?" That's the title of the Federalist Society's Third Annual Western Conference, at the Ronald Reagan Library in Simi Valley, on the outskirts of L.A. The conference will be Saturday, January 24, and has -- as usual for the Federalist Society -- an illustrious and ideologically mixed set of speakers. Check out the program here; it should be an excellent event.

J. Aldridge:
Hopefully the Federalist Society can find someone able enough to point out Federal sovereignty is limited and defined.
1.9.2009 11:43pm
theobromophile (www):
I went to the First Annual conference, which was an excellent event. It's much smaller than the chaos of Lawyer's Convention, which is rather nice. A bonus: you can wander around the Reagan Library before and after the event.

Also, once you get beyond the Santa Monica area, there's almost no traffic. (IIRC, I made it up from San Diego in about two and a half hours.)
1.10.2009 12:21am
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
I bet they forgot about the Indian tribes that aren't federally recognized.
1.10.2009 3:02am
martinned (mail) (www):
Just a question: Do Native American Tribes have any kind of "sovereignty" that deserves the name? If I'm not mistaken, their powers are a construct of (federal) law, unlike state sovereignity which is hard-wired into the federal constitution. (At least in theory.)
1.10.2009 9:32am
Steve2:
Martinned, could the two Article 1 references to them be a basis for treating them as individually sovereign nations? "Except Indians not taxed" implies that they're not subject to the sovereignty of the state they happen to be within. More convincingly (I think), the Commerce Clause's listing of "foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes" places Indian tribes in the category of foreign nations and states - presumably, as a sovereign entity.
1.10.2009 10:02am
martinned (mail) (www):
@Steve2: I would take both those to be more of an authorisation that Congress may make these tribes sovereign than a requirement that it do so. (Indians may be exempt from taxes, and, if it wishes, Congress may legislate their commerce with the rest of the country.)
1.10.2009 10:10am
Horatio (mail):
Given that I was born in the US, can I refer to myself as a Native-American? A member of the Litvak-Galitzianer tribe. Maybe open my own casino? HAve my own police force, and tribal council? Sell cigarettes inexpensively?

Oh, and slightly off topic, can you refer to a Caucasian from South Africa who is an American citizen as an "African-American"?

Just asking
1.10.2009 10:31am
martinned (mail) (www):
@Horatio: That was roughly the rationale for my question above. I don't see much justification for the special treatment "Native-Americans" enjoy in this day and age.
1.10.2009 10:37am
early bird (mail):
Horatio,

What treaties did your forebears, as representatives of independent, sovereign nations, sign with the US govt? Not that this matters in present day supreme court jurisprudence toward native tribes. Congress has plenary power, so native tribes, treaties to the contrary notwithstanding (never mind that treaties are supposed to be the law of the land), have no sovereignty that congress is bound to respect.
1.10.2009 10:47am
martinned (mail) (www):
@early bird: Thanks for the clarification. BTW, I don't think that is an unreasonable rule. Presumably, those treaties were made at a time when the tribal lands were not yet part of the United States, or only part of a territory. Clearly circumstances changed as the US grew. (Cf. art. 59 and 62 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.)
1.10.2009 10:56am
corneille1640 (mail):

Oh, and slightly off topic, can you refer to a Caucasian from South Africa who is an American citizen as an "African-American"?

I have heard a story (I have no idea if it's true) that a white student from Africa (in the story I heard, she was actually from Kenya, I think) applied for a scholarship for "African Americans" all the while honestly believing she qualified. According to this story, she was expelled from her university. Again, this story may be completely false, (but apparently that doesn't stop me from retelling it).
1.10.2009 11:30am
Xanthippas (mail) (www):

Given that I was born in the US, can I refer to myself as a Native-American? A member of the Litvak-Galitzianer tribe. Maybe open my own casino? HAve my own police force, and tribal council? Sell cigarettes inexpensively?


No, but you are free to call yourself clueless. What exactly is the problem that some right-wingers have with "Native American." At least it's a name they picked for themselves, unlike the ridiculous "Indian" or half-ridiculous "American Indian."

Of course what's really going on here is that some-let's be frank-white people have a problem with anybody trying to distinguish themselves from the teeming mass of Americans. If they have their very own name, then somebody might be inclined to pay attention to their very own unique problems. And we can't have that, because we wouldn't want to have whites feeling guilty about anything their ancestors might have done.
1.10.2009 12:23pm
Xanthippas (mail) (www):

That was roughly the rationale for my question above. I don't see much justification for the special treatment "Native-Americans" enjoy in this day and age.


"Special treatment"? Are you talking about all those free scholarships to college the federal government gives to all Natives automatically, the vast oil money, or the gaming checks that allows all Natives to buy three cars and a giant house?
1.10.2009 12:25pm
martinned (mail) (www):
@Xanthippas: I was actually wondering why there's an entire chapter of the US Code devoted entirely to Native Americans.
1.10.2009 1:09pm
Horatio (mail):
No, but you are free to call yourself clueless. What exactly is the problem that some right-wingers have with "Native American." At least it's a name they picked for themselves, unlike the ridiculous "Indian" or half-ridiculous "American Indian.


What make you think I'm a right winger? I simply have a problem with segmented, or Hyphenated-Americans. Has a very Balkanizing effect. Results in societal distortions. Absurd policy decisions. Stupid SCOTUS decisions. Demagoguery. Preferential treatment.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

Of course what's really going on here is that some-let's be frank-white people have a problem with anybody trying to distinguish themselves from the teeming mass of Americans. If they have their very own name, then somebody might be inclined to pay attention to their very own unique problems. And we can't have that, because we wouldn't want to have whites feeling guilty about anything their ancestors might have done.


My ancestors had nothing to do with what happened to the indigenous peoples of the US. Didn't even arrive on these shores before the early 1900s. So, guilt is not something with which I am afflicted. Of course you're welcome to feel as guilty as you want to.
1.10.2009 1:34pm
bearing (mail) (www):
And as for those of us whose ancestors might well have had something to do with it -- we incur personal guilt how?
1.10.2009 5:55pm
gran habano:
Well, as Xan might say - let's be frank - you're white.
1.10.2009 6:23pm
martinned (mail) (www):
@bearing: This whole passing guilt along from generation to generation thing has always amazed me. How is something that happened 100+ years before you were even born your fault? How far back does it go? Adam &Eve?
1.10.2009 6:33pm
Crunchy Frog:

Well, as Xan might say - let's be frank - you're white.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
1.10.2009 6:35pm
Oren:

How far back does it go? Adam &Eve?

I'm sure one of the Catholics or Calvinists on the boards will enlighten us on the precise mechanism of Original Sin.
1.10.2009 6:47pm
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):

No, but you are free to call yourself clueless. What exactly is the problem that some right-wingers have with "Native American." At least it's a name they picked for themselves, unlike the ridiculous "Indian" or half-ridiculous "American Indian."


Uh, Xanthipp, you might look into your own clue supply, as a whole lot of us prefer to be called American indian, or even just "Indian" -- usually pronounced "In-din", at least out here in the Southwest.

The issue with "Native American" is that it has a meaning on its own, one which (viz the recent kerfluffle about Obama's birthplace) has substantial significance. Leaving us on occasion to note that we're "native American Native Americans."

Plus, there's the aspect where a whole lot of us would prefer not to be told what we should think, do, or how we should refer to ourselves by politically-correct dolts, and fakes Like Ward Churchill.
1.11.2009 2:44pm
Ricardo (mail):
Martinned,

I believe the U.S. originally treated the various Indian tribes as sovereign nations -- its members were not U.S. citizens (or citizens of any State) and the tribes could conduct foreign relations with the U.S. You are right that that status has been eroded over time to the point that it is almost meaningless, except for the fact that states still do not have jurisdiction over tribal lands.

The problem is that ending this status would probably anger and alienate a lot of people for very little public benefit. So the "sovereignty" of the tribes continues in the same quaint way that the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands continue to claim they are "sovereign nations."

I believe on the island of Sark, which was a feudal state until recently, the island's hereditary political leaders are required to keep a rifle at the entrance to their homes so that they are ready to bear arms to defend against foreign invaders at a moment's notice. Things like this are pretty slow to change, at least in the offshoots of Imperial England.
1.12.2009 1:45am
opq (mail):
Tribal rights based on treaties are not entirely dead. See United States v. Smiskin, 487 F.3d 1260 (9th Cir. 2007).

In 1855, the United States made a treaty with the Yakama tribe of Washington which stated that the tribe and its members had “the right, in common with the citizens of the United States, to travel upon all public highways.” In Smiskin, a member of the Yakama tribe was charged with failing to notify the Washington Liquor Control Board before transporting cigarettes that did not have tax stamps.*

The court held that the pre-notification requirement was a restriction on the Yakama right of travel in violation of the Treaty, which provided the tribe the right to travel on public highways “‘without restriction’” and “‘with no conditions attached." Id. See also Cree v. Flores, 157 F.3d 762, 765 (9th Cir. 1998) (holding Yakama truck drivers could transport timber without paying fees for hauling timber on public highways).

*Although the indictment in Smiskin was based on a federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 2342(a), state law controlled the decision— the federal statute deferred to state law to determine if cigarettes were to be considered contraband, a necessary prerequisite for a federal violation. Smiskin, 487 F.3d at 1263.
1.12.2009 10:43am

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