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Obama: "understand where the vision for change comes from. First and foremost, it comes from me."

At his press conference this morning, Barack Obama was asked about whether he was appointing too many Clinton Administration retreads and what that means for change in his new Adminstration. He replied:

"understand where the vision for change comes from. First and foremost, it comes from me."

[UPDATE: After my first posting, this quotation was conformed to the Canadian Press's version.]

cboldt (mail):
I thought it was an interesting presser. He also said that economic suggestions would come from an independent commission, so there is some divergence between "the vision" and "the execution."
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His "vision comes from me" was in response to the charge that relying on experienced hands (Washington insiders) is not really change, it is a repeat of the old.
11.26.2008 11:13am
James Lindgren (mail):
When I get an exact transcript, I'll update the quote.

Jim Lindgren
11.26.2008 11:14am
Philosopher:
I don't get it ... what's the big deal?
11.26.2008 11:23am
Oren:
Philosopher, the idea is to take a single sentence out of context and assign to it the excess baggage of everything you perceive Obama is about.
11.26.2008 11:25am
anon345 (mail):
Undermine, undermine, undermine. Ideology uber alles.
11.26.2008 11:34am
Brian Mac:
Don't be fooled by his post-election appointments and policy shifts which are setting him up to be Bush/Clinton-lite, it's just another cunning ruse to mask his radical Marxist agenda!
11.26.2008 11:39am
DiversityHire:
Oren, isn't that what you're doing with Lindgren?

The clips I've seen from the press conference look pretty good. I hope the ERAB gets a group blog. In fact, every government commission should have a group blog.
11.26.2008 11:40am
Lighten up Kansas:
God forbid he find someone that knows how to do a job that not many people have experience doing. I don't want a President Dave ala Kevin Kline. That would be a disaster worse than Zombie Reagan! And it looks like he'll be saving all the star talent from Bush's 8 years of cabinet choices.
11.26.2008 11:49am
Josh644 (mail):
Is this quote fascinating for some reason?

I feel like my time is being wasted.
11.26.2008 11:51am
Anderson (mail):
Oren, isn't that what you're doing with Lindgren?

Well, Lindgren wrote two sentences.

But I took Oren to be referring more to the comments typically generated.

Obama: The Unitary-Vision Executive!
11.26.2008 11:54am
Psmitty (mail):
BARF - MORE LIES
11.26.2008 11:54am
DDG:
anon345:

Well, it worked for the lefties and press for the last 8 years, didn't it?
11.26.2008 11:54am
Anderson (mail):
And it looks like he'll be saving all the star talent from Bush's 8 years of cabinet choices

Gates and ... Gates?
11.26.2008 11:55am
Houston Lawyer:
Personally, I'd be more comforted hearing that the Clinton retreads were in charge of policy. Most of them at least have a record from which I could glean some insight. I might as well use the magic 8 ball to try to determine what direction Obama will tack.
11.26.2008 11:55am
David Muellenhoff (mail):
Am I the only one who immediately thought of Shakespeare? "Ask not for whom the bell tolls...."
11.26.2008 11:56am
josh:
David

Try John Donne
11.26.2008 11:58am
Jimmy S:
Wow. It's like the guy thinks he's the decider or something. What ego!
11.26.2008 11:59am
RPT (mail):
And, not only that, he might actually read the documents put before him....Imagine if that had occurred with "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within US".
11.26.2008 12:04pm
DiversityHire:
But I took Oren to be referring more to the comments typically generated.

Oh, I didn't think of that. My apologies, then, I was distracted by the bad hairpiece on the guy behind Barry to his right.
11.26.2008 12:05pm
David Warner:
josh,

"Try John Donne"

You mean it wasn't Hetfield/Ulrich? Damn.

No man is an island, entire of itself. Even Obama.
11.26.2008 12:06pm
Elliot123 (mail):
"Is this quote fascinating for some reason?"

Yes. Can someone tell us what the vision is?

The more abstract the vision, the larger the number of people who will agree with it. For example, a vision that calls for "Prosperity for all Americans and an end to racial strife" will have few opponents; nobody disagrees. It's more important how the subordinates implement the vision. Liberals and conservatives may share a vision, but will try to achieve it very differently.

Any jackass can come up with a vision. The talent is in achieving it. So, I'd like to know 1) what is the vision, and 2) how will it be implemented
11.26.2008 12:13pm
Der Hahn (mail):
Bill Clinton had been president 6 years? before he had to start telling journalists he was still relevant.
11.26.2008 12:15pm
CJColucci:
News Flash: Barack Obama is going to be the President. His appointees will be expected to carry out his policies.
11.26.2008 12:17pm
hawkins:
Lindgren: Could you please explain the point of this post? I dont understand it.
11.26.2008 12:27pm
Smokey:
hawkins, it merely demonstrates what an insufferable ego the guy has.

It's a common trait in people who haven't really accomplished anything on their own.
11.26.2008 12:33pm
Thales (mail) (www):
"Don't be fooled by his post-election appointments and policy shifts which are setting him up to be Bush/Clinton-lite, it's just another cunning ruse to mask his radical Marxist agenda!"

Don't forget about the imposition of Sharia law and the enslavement of white people! Also, the office of domestic terrorism promotion!
11.26.2008 12:37pm
Snaphappy:

it merely demonstrates what an insufferable ego the guy has.



I see. This quote is like a half glass of water. How you perceive it says more about you than it does about the quote.
11.26.2008 12:40pm
Ugh (mail):

It's a common trait in people who haven't really accomplished anything on their own.


Exactly. I mean, he needed something like 68 million people to help him in order to get elected.
11.26.2008 12:44pm
Real American (mail):
the blind leading the blind.
11.26.2008 12:47pm
Crust (mail):
Yawn. Seems like a pretty boiler plate statement to me.

Has any President or President-elect ever suggested that the vision for his presidency doesn't primarily come from him? Cynics may occasionally suggest that -- it was arguably even have been true for at least parts of some presidencies -- but it's hard to imagine any President (or President-elect) saying it.
11.26.2008 12:49pm
Philosopher:
I still don't see anything remarkable about the quote.

When you're the President of the United States, you usually have a vision of what you want to get done, and the Executive Branch does whatever it can to carry it out.
11.26.2008 12:49pm
David Larsomn (mail):
Seig Heil!
11.26.2008 12:51pm
commontheme (mail):
Is there some point over the next few months when people will stop crying about the fact that Obama won the election?

Or will this bed-wetting continue for 4[(or 8 ;-)] years?
11.26.2008 12:55pm
Mark E.Butler (mail):
SEIG Software Engineering Interest Group
SEIG Systems Engineering Integration Group
SEIG Software Engineering Improvement Group


Which one of these are you hailing, Larsomn?

Or could it be victory (Sieg)?
11.26.2008 12:58pm
Mark E.Butler (mail):

But understand where the vision for change comes from. First and foremost, it comes from me. That's my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going and to make sure then that my team is implementing.


I'm dying for lack of an object. Or in Obamaworld do all things transitive suddenly become intransitive?
11.26.2008 1:00pm
anon345 (mail):
It's never stopped with respect to Clinton (or Carter or FDR for that matter) so expect it to continue until they die.
11.26.2008 1:00pm
Gaius Obvious (mail):
I don't get it ... what's the big deal?

Compare with: "L'√Čtat, c'est moi"
11.26.2008 1:07pm
theobromophile (www):
This could just be me, but when I read the quote, I snorted laughing. For those of us who have mocked the emptiness of Obama's "change" rhetoric for months - change what? how? and why do you need to be the President in order to change how Americans interact with each other? - this is rather amusing.

When Mr. Hope and Change acted like a lot of other candidates during his campaign (i.e. raising absurd amounts of money with the end result that he'll owe a lot of favours once in office; rejecting public financing; accepting help from lobbyists, then rejecting their money, then rejecting them again only to modify his position; etc), we all laughed. We knew that this "change" in Washington wasn't going to happen; it's not like the guy was big on "changing" Chicago politics, fought his own party, fought a corrupt political machine, or did anything noteworthy while in the Senate. It's just pretty words to help him get into office.

Now, when he appointed a bunch of Clinton people, we all snickered again, especially as about-to-be-seriously-disillusioned people started saying that this looked like politics as usual. So this statement? More pretty words, even less substance.
11.26.2008 1:16pm
Constantin:
Exactly. I mean, he needed something like 68 million people to help him in order to get elected.

Aren't they the ones with the vision of change, then. To me, that's the takeaway from the quote. After all of the "Yes We Can" rhetoric of the campaign, Obama when pressed responds with an "I'm the decider" type quote with a dash of self hero-worship personality cultism for good measure.
11.26.2008 1:22pm
commontheme (mail):
This just in, did you know that Barack Obama's father may have been a socialist?
11.26.2008 1:39pm
anon345 (mail):
And a Muslim. His father wasn't born in the US; are we sure that Obama was? Terrorist, terrorist, terrorist. Acorn. Chicago machine. Clinton. Same old, same old. uppity.
11.26.2008 1:47pm
David Warner:
anon345,

"Undermine, undermine, undermine. Ideology uber alles."

Under two months to go and you finally noticed. Better late than never I guess. Although calling it ideology is likely too generous - more raw tribalism.

I suspect Obama will be less easily undermined than his predecessor.
11.26.2008 1:51pm
Melancton Smith:
Shocking. It turns out he wasn't a stealth-muslim or a stealth-socialist...he's really a stealth-politician.

Can we really afford four more years of Bush?

Re: the crying...how long did the crying over Bush's win last? How long *will* it last?

Sadly, I foresee at least 4 years of crying.
11.26.2008 2:12pm
Roger Schlafly (www):
If everyone treated you as the new Messiah, you would also get the big head.
11.26.2008 2:16pm
anon345 (mail):
4 years? More like forever. Right wing delusions never go away.

1. FDR's policies worsened the Depresssion.
2. McCarthy was right.
3. Carter is an anti-semite.
4. Waterboarding isn't torture.
5. No reason to worry about global warming.
6. Habeas corpus, shmabeas corpus.
etc., etc.
7. Rich people won't work unless you cut their taxes.
8. Every small business owner in the US pays the top tax rate.

No wonder Sanders lost it and had to cry out the truth even if it embarrassed him.
11.26.2008 2:32pm
Constantin:
1. FDR's policies worsened the Depresssion.
2. McCarthy was right.
3. Carter is an anti-semite.
4. Waterboarding isn't torture.
5. No reason to worry about global warming.
6. Habeas corpus, shmabeas corpus.
etc., etc.
7. Rich people won't work unless you cut their taxes.
8. Every small business owner in the US pays the top tax rate.


Number One is demostrably true. Number Two is true to a degree--he was right about the problem, way wrong in how to address it. Number Three is at least arguable now. So is Number Four. Almost nobody argues Numbers Five or Six the way you've stated them, they're strawmen. I've never seen anybody argue Numbers Seven and Eight.
11.26.2008 2:37pm
Sagar:
anon345:
"Undermine, undermine, undermine. Ideology uber alles."


good point Anon, we are just 5 years late in noting that point here.
11.26.2008 2:43pm
first history:
Most presidents need healthy egos--why be president if you don't have a vision of what you want to do? Further, remember the last President who didn't get the "vision thing?"
11.26.2008 2:45pm
Cold Warrior:
Republican Party loyalists, c. 12/07: "we can't wait to run against Hillary and all that Clinton baggage."

c. 9/1/08: Obama is dissing Hillary! Say what you will about the Clintons; at least they have experience in governance and they're pretty mainstream when it comes to policy. This Obama fellow is a neophyte and a radical!

c. now: He promised change, and it turns out he meant "change in the form of reverting back to the Clinton years? How dare he not give us UN Ambassador Jesse Jackson, Education Secretary Bill Ayers, and Treasury Secretary Barney Frank. C'mon, Barack Hussein; these appointments are just plain no fun!
11.26.2008 2:45pm
anon345 (mail):
Constantin turns Mill's quote on it's side.

"Stupid people are not necessarily Conservative, but most Conservatives are stupid people."
11.26.2008 2:46pm
PoohPoohBear:
Obama's posturing, figuratively and literally, is reminiscent of some historical, albeit less likeable, figures. His strutting in Grant park election night, jaw thrust out, reminded me of Mussolini. His convention night stadium acceptance rally only needed lit torches, otherwise it was straight from Triumph of the Will. The look in the eyes and the unquestioning adoration of his acolytes is as disturbing to me as the right's defense of Bush 43.
11.26.2008 2:55pm
Angus:

1. FDR's policies worsened the Depresssion.
Is demonstrably true only in Fantasy Land. You can not demonstrate something that never happened.
11.26.2008 2:56pm
Elliot123 (mail):
So, does anyone know what Obama's vision is? I presume it can be put into words, so it can be communicated to the people he is hiring to implement it. Are there any constraints on how they choose to implement it?
11.26.2008 3:00pm
Constantin:
Constantin turns Mill's quote on it's side.

"Stupid people are not necessarily Conservative, but most Conservatives are stupid people."


Look, I'm no grammar Nazi. But if you're going to accuse another guy of being stupid, you should probably learn to spell "its" right first.

And Angus, it most certainly did happen. Unless you want to count WWII mobilization as one of "FDR's policies", in which case no, they didn't worsen the Depression. But I don't figure that's what the first genius was getting at.
11.26.2008 3:06pm
second history:
Given that the economy has been governed by neo-Lysenkoist ideologues, who put their own theories about the market above reality for the past eight years, the non-ideological, technocratic advisors nominated by President-Elect Obama are a breath of fresh air.
11.26.2008 3:06pm
hazer:
PoohPoohBear:

Or Christ.
11.26.2008 3:07pm
hazer:
Prof. Lindgren:

How about your proposal for SCOTUS term limits discussed at the Federalist Society--I happened to catch it on C-SPAN. Or is that too boring?
11.26.2008 3:11pm
PoohPoohBear:
hazer:
Or Christ.

Nah. Christ wouldn't be as popular with the lefties. He'd be too intolerant of their favorite causes these days.
11.26.2008 3:12pm
anon345 (mail):
Oh God!!! I mispelled a word while typing a blog comment. Forgive my hubris and stupidity. I will have to find the will to go on.
11.26.2008 3:15pm
PoohPoohBear:
Angus:
1. FDR's policies worsened the Depresssion.

They may not have worsened them, but they certainly didn't make things better. He took over in 33, and the depression was still going into 40, maybe even late 41. Churchill and Hitler had a better effect on the US economy than FDR.
11.26.2008 3:15pm
hazer:
PoohPoohBear:

I was unclear--the adulation of his followers (according to you) are like the followers of Christ.
11.26.2008 3:24pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):

Republican Party loyalists, c. 12/07: "we can't wait to run against Hillary and all that Clinton baggage."

c. 9/1/08: Obama is dissing Hillary! Say what you will about the Clintons; at least they have experience in governance and they're pretty mainstream when it comes to policy. This Obama fellow is a neophyte and a radical!

c. now: He promised change, and it turns out he meant "change in the form of reverting back to the Clinton years? How dare he not give us UN Ambassador Jesse Jackson, Education Secretary Bill Ayers, and Treasury Secretary Barney Frank. C'mon, Barack Hussein; these appointments are just plain no fun!


that is the point. he based his campaign on changing politics in washington - hope, change, yes we can. then once elected he reverted back to the clinton administration who he equated with politics as usual. people are suggesting that it was ridiculous to buy into his campaign rhetoric, which it was. but so it is with every politician. for many, including me, its just a little more entertaining bc of rather loud and visible nature of his young earnest supporters who were quite adamant about their man's honor.
11.26.2008 3:29pm
astrangerwithcandy (mail):

Oh God!!! I mispelled a word while typing a blog comment. Forgive my hubris and stupidity. I will have to find the will to go on.


you don't see the irony? you tried to make fun of him for incorrectly parsing a quote while mis-spelling a word. could it be that his was also a mistake! where would your outrage come from then?!?!?!
11.26.2008 3:31pm
mariner:
Sounds like "I am the decider".
11.26.2008 4:20pm
RPT (mail):
Better to have the President actually fulfill that function than the Vice-President. Another change for the better.
11.26.2008 4:28pm
LN (mail):
Lindgren: "Obama's first fulltime employer, Business International, had substantial SDS ties in the 1960s."
11.26.2008 4:32pm
Mikeyes (mail):
This business about "vision" is taught in all leadership classes, the one I learned it in was the Command and General Staff College in Leavenworth, KS, hardly a bastion of liberal thought. I suspect that these words are triggering off automatic thoughts in anyone who does not like Obama.

The same thing happened when GW Bush took office, only the names changed.

Before we condemn we ought to see what is really going to happen, Obama isn't even President. Bush's "vision" seems to have not worked out very well but it took a long time before that became evident.
11.26.2008 4:34pm
Smokey:
anon345:
Right wing delusions never go away.

1. FDR's policies worsened the Depresssion.
2. McCarthy was right.
3. Carter is an anti-semite.
4. Waterboarding isn't torture.
5. No reason to worry about global warming.
6. Habeas corpus, shmabeas corpus.
etc., etc.
7. Rich people won't work unless you cut their taxes.
8. Every small business owner in the US pays the top tax rate.


OK, by the numbers:

1. FDR's policies did little to make any difference. Unemployment in 1937 was still extremely high. WWII orders, even before the U.S. got involved, did more than all FDR's programs put together.

2. McCarthy was right. See the Venona Papers, disclosed by the Kremlin after the fall of the Berlin Wall. They acknowledged that Alger Hiss was their agent, along with thousands of others, many of them in the State Department.

3. Carter equated zionism and apartheid. Make up your own mind if he's an anti-semite, or just a dope.

4. Waterboarding isn't torture as far as sensible people are concerned. Everyone understands what real torture is. Waterboarding is discomfort -- with no after effects of damage. Namby-pambys who arm-wave about waterboarding need to understand the world, and grow a pair. To them, taking away a detainee's Froot Loops would be torture.

5. Global warming? Pf-f-f-f-t.

6. Ask President Lincoln about habeus corpus in during war.

7. Don't be an economic illiterate. Taking that stupid argument to it's logical conclusion, let's tax away everything productive citizens make. They'll still work for the greater good, right? Sure they will.

8. Take an aspirin and lie down.

Hey, this is fun. Let's do more!
11.26.2008 5:17pm
dr:

Waterboarding isn't torture as far as sensible people are concerned. Everyone understands what real torture is. Waterboarding is discomfort -- with no after effects of damage. Namby-pambys who arm-wave about waterboarding need to understand the world, and grow a pair. To them, taking away a detainee's Froot Loops would be torture.


Oh for crying out loud. John McCain, arm-waving namby-pamby liberal stooge, on waterboarding:


"All I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot's genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today," Mr. McCain, who spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, said in a telephone interview.

Of presidential candidates like Mr. Giuliani, who say that they are unsure whether waterboarding is torture, Mr. McCain said: "They should know what it is. It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture."



Grow a pair, John. Smokey says you don't know what real torture is.
11.26.2008 5:47pm
Elliot123 (mail):
"Before we condemn we ought to see what is really going to happen, Obama isn't even President. Bush's "vision" seems to have not worked out very well but it took a long time before that became evident."

Well, the first step is to ask what the vision is. I bet that Command and General Staff College taught one should be able to articulate the vision.
11.26.2008 6:16pm
Andrew J. Lazarus (mail):
Waterboarding isn't torture as far as sensible people are concerned. Everyone understands what real torture is.
I used to think the rack was torture, but it has been renamed stretchboarding and is now OK.

I had to double-check that Smokey wasn't Sarcastro. How can you be that stupid and breathe?
11.26.2008 6:29pm
hawkins:

Well, the first step is to ask what the vision is. I bet that Command and General Staff College taught one should be able to articulate the vision.


The first step and primary objective for any politician is to get elected. Apparently Obama's strategy worked.
11.26.2008 6:35pm
MisterBigTop:
I have to laugh at the libs on here who are complaining about people getting all upset over Obama's election. You guys did the same thing for eight years with Bush. Fair is fair.
11.26.2008 7:04pm
RPT (mail):
"Constantin:

7. Rich people won't work unless you cut their taxes.
8. Every small business owner in the US pays the top tax rate.

.....I've never seen anybody argue Numbers Seven and Eight."

You need to get acquainted with Grover Norquist. He argued this morning on CNBC (while the host and other guests laughed out loud) that all of the current financial problems are caused by the 2006 mid-term elections which told investors that in 2010 the Democrats would let the 2001 tax cuts expire. Not ACORN or the CRA, or minority homeowners, or $73/hour auto workers, or the various other conservative villains. Causation before the fact! As the saying goes "you can't make it up", or "too stupid to live", except by the grace of the donors to American For Selective Tax Reform.
11.26.2008 7:31pm
anon345 (mail):
Absolutely right I haven't gottten over 2000. Beyond the idiocy of Bush v. Gore, the fact that for the butterfly ballot it would not have been an issue, the fraud committed by members of the military who sent their ballots in post-election, there is everything that happened since.

1. Bungling the anti-terrorism handoff.
2. Enron.
3. Tax cuts that created a structural deficit.
4. Ignoring the post-victory nation-building required in Afghanistan.
5. The BS Iraq war over non-existent WMD.
6. Bungling the post-victory nation-building required in Iraq.
7. Medicare part D add-ons that gave away the store.
8. Still no reasonable national energy policy except "drill, baby, drill.
9. The current economic meltdown.
10. Guantanamo.
11. The President can crush children's testicles if he wants to.
12. Wiretapping anyone and everyone.
13. Scooter Libby.

So, of course, my bitterness and anger is all about 2000.
11.26.2008 7:50pm
richard cabeza:
He sure is good at Godwining himself. And here I was, thinking it was just a campaign strategy.
11.26.2008 8:14pm
bobby b (mail):
"Any jackass can come up with a vision. The talent is in achieving it. So, I'd like to know 1) what is the vision, and 2) how will it be implemented."

Hater.

Because of you, now we'll fail to achieve the heights that Obama could have inspired us to reach.

And we came so close. All you had to do was . . . believe.

Do the rest of you believe? Do you believe that we can Hope for the Change we were Waiting For? That we can change the Wait for the Hope that Waits for Change that might be a . . . a . . . .

well . . . CLAP YOUR HANDS if you believe! Clap your hands, and Barack can once again lead us with his light and his Presence into his vision for changing hope and . . and . . . oh, hell, just Clap Your Damn Hands!
11.26.2008 8:32pm
jukeboxgrad (mail):
elliot:

Can someone tell us what the vision is?


Yes.

Any jackass can come up with a vision.


Any jackass can pretend that information that's easy to find actually doesn't exist at all.
11.26.2008 9:11pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
How does this square with his earlier statement: "We are the change we have been waiting for."
11.26.2008 10:13pm
Bill Kilgore:
How does this square with his earlier statement: "We are the change we have been waiting for."

That was before the economic crisis. Since then we have had to scale back due to the cost of change. As such, the expression is "I am the change you've been waiting for" (less unnecessary change expenditure you see.)

Learn it, know it, and be ready to repeat it or no more Prolefeed for you. Trust me, with the new Versificator technology we are working on, you do not want to miss the explosion of "creativity" we will see over the next four years.
11.26.2008 10:47pm
Sarcastro (www):
I love this thread!
11.26.2008 11:03pm
Moneyrunner43 (www):

"L'√Čtat, c'est moi"

That's great Gaius Obvious. The same attitude as old Louis.

The Man From Change will inspire the retreads who he has appointed with The Vision. I have no idea if he believes in his divine mission, or is the same sort of sublime BS artist that FDR was.

I saw that Bush got loads of grief following his "decider" comment. The Libs here see nothing even remotely hubristic (to coin a word) about the his self identification as "The Visionary."

Dennis Gartman wrote about Obama's promise to create 2.5 million new jobs by 2010. He asked why he stopped at 2.5 million. Why not go ahead and create 5 million, or 7.5 million, or tens of millions for that matter?

"If he has the power to do such things, then perhaps he might simply go ahead ; wave the magic job-creating wand he apparently has at his disposal, and create jobs for the entire world."



Is that part of his vision? When will he let us in on it?
11.26.2008 11:35pm
b:
bobby b:

Racist.
11.27.2008 1:29am
Chineasy-E (mail):
Does anyone read it like I do?

Vision is used as a substitute for change.

Like, "I am the vision."

Media: "Hey, Barack, you said things would change. What gives?"
Barack: "I am the change."

It sounds like he's saying that HE was the change we were looking for, which he responds, is change enough.

Maybe not. That's how I take it.
11.27.2008 2:23am
jukeboxgrad (mail):
ddg:

Well, it ["undermine, undermine, undermine"] worked for the lefties and press for the last 8 years, didn't it?


a) When he invaded Afghanistan, Bush's approval rating was 90%. Even though he had lost the popular vote. That's not exactly "undermine."

b) The press worked overtime to sell the war. That's not exactly "undermine." And when Bush won 50.7% of the popular vote in 2004, the press joined in with Cheney and called that a "mandate" (even though it was only the second time since 1916 that an incumbent had won with a percentage that small; Clinton in '96 got only 49.2 because Perot got 8.4). That's not exactly "undermine."

c) There's a place for sincere, legitimate, substantive criticism. That's not exactly "undermine."

d) To the extent that anyone did try to "undermine" Bush, in a way that was truly premature and gratuitous (it would be nice to see major examples), you should explain why two wrongs make a right. Ken Starr spent $40 million trying to "undermine" Clinton, but that doesn't mean it would have been right to do the same thing to Bush.
11.27.2008 8:24am
jukeboxgrad (mail):
The Man From Change will inspire the retreads who he has appointed with The Vision.


The GOP tried to win the election with the negative strategy of peddling fear ('Obama will make bad things happen'). 67 million voters said they weren't buying. Now the GOP is trying to win the next election with the negative strategy of peddling cynicism ('Obama won't make good things happen'). Good luck with that!

Speaking of "retreads," you guys could use a new strategy. Looks like you're determined to make it really obvious you don't have one.

A lot of people are being thankful today. A strategy-less GOP is one more thing to be thankful for. Thanks, guys!
11.27.2008 8:24am