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Sunday Song Lyric:
I first heard a song by The Cure some twenty-five years ago -- and apparently they're still going. Robert Smith & Co. have just released their 13th studio album, 4:13 Dream, and it appears to be getting good reviews.


I haven't heard The Cure's new stuff, but I'm still a fan of the old. "Boys Don't Cry" was released almost thirty years ago. It was their second single, and still one of their best. The lyrics begin:

I would say I'm sorry
If I thought that it would change your mind
But I know that this time
I have said too much
Been too unkind

I try to laugh about it
Cover it all up with lies
I try and laugh about it
Hiding the tears in my eyes
Because boys don't cry
Boys don't cry
Here are the original video and live clips from 1984 and 2008.
Rodger Lodger (mail):
Midlife crisis? Don't sweat it...I've had three or four so far.
11.9.2008 7:44am
Hoosier:
I'm not a fan of the Cure. But I have to give Robert Smith credit for taking down "Mecha-Streisand." That was ace.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha-Streisand


Rodger Lodger
Midlife crisis?

A co-worker of mine was having a difficult time deciding if she wanted to quit academic administration in order to become a full-time doula. For years I had thought there must be some sort of pun in "midwife crisis," but what?

I thank her for solving the mystery.
11.9.2008 8:14am
Hoosier:
Jonathan:

I had no idea he had a new album. After you've heard it, let us know what you think, if you'd be so kind.

And please, Lord, don't let is suck as badly as "Chinese Democracy."
11.9.2008 8:25am
Bar-or (mail):

Wow - Haven't heard that in quite a few years. Notice that the youtube link is *not* the album version (I still remember the original enough to identify slight differences).

It was probably about 22 years ago I found that album (5th grade). Favorite is still: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6WIGEuWUT0
11.9.2008 10:58am
Old Cure Fan:
Is it sheer plagiarism when you steal from yourself? Go to ITunes or another website and then listen to

Track 1 from 4:13 and then A Letter to Elise from Wish

then listen to track 11 from 4:13 and then Icing Sugar from Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me

That's all I've really listened to so far.
11.9.2008 11:03am
Thales (mail) (www):
Hoosier:

Mecha-streisand remains my favorite episode of South Park, despite the great strides in "animation" and "character development" they've made since.

Disintegration is the best album ever, seriously!
11.9.2008 12:32pm
whit:
my bands in college and high school played several cure songs, so they will always be special to me. i think "just like heaven" is one of the greatest love songs ever written, although if you listen to the lyrics, it aint exactly a happy ending.

otoh, when you are 19 or so and playing it for the sorority girls... well... musicality has added benefits :)

the cure also got some crap YEARS after releasing "killing an arab" based on the current situation.


Is it sheer plagiarism when you steal from yourself? Go to ITunes or another website and then listen to



ask john fogerty
11.9.2008 2:55pm
Hoosier:
ask john fogerty

Or Rod Stewart.

"Tonight's the Night" = "Downtown Train"

Did he really think we wouldn't notice?
11.9.2008 2:58pm
whit:
the difference between fogerty and rod stewart was that fogerty was sued (unsuccessfully iirc) for plagiarizing himself
11.9.2008 3:03pm
Eric Muller (www):
There are a few artists the fervor of whose fan base has long baffled me. They are: Bruce Springsteen (and I'm even from New Jersey!), the Dave Matthews Band, and the Cure.

As I've aged, I suppose I've been able to appreciate Springsteen a bit better, but the Cure continues to mystify me.

And if the government ever wants to drive me out of hiding, as it did Manuel Noriega, the best strategy will be 24/7 blasting of the Dave Matthews Band. I'd sooner be waterboarded.
11.9.2008 3:39pm
DiversityHire:
the Cure continues to mystify me

Isn't that their appeal? Plus, Robert Smith provided an entire generation of girls (and boys) with detailed demonstrations of how to misapply mascara, lipstick, and hairspray to great effect.

To this day, I can't tell whether I'm listening to Just Like Heaven or Inbetween Days. Frankly, I don't care, they're both a great song.
11.9.2008 5:12pm
docweasel (mail) (www):
docweaselband (no relation to the blog, we are just fans) play "Boys Don't Cry" (as well as "Just Like Heaven") and I've always noticed girls love that song, guys seem to hate it (the post writer above must be an exception!)
11.9.2008 5:26pm
Hoosier:
Eric Muller

From what I can tell, the government could play his entire oeuvre, or just one song over and over. Both would have the same effect. And no one could tell the difference.

Re: The Cure--I used to play in bands in the '80s. To be frank, androgyny wasn't really our goal. But when your band is called something like "Electric Soup," I suppose the margin of error is pretty limited.
11.9.2008 5:35pm
whit:
the idea that the cure songs all sound the same is ridiculous.

that's the classic response from somebody who doesn't listen (they might HEAR the music, but they don't listen) to the music. people who dislike hip hop say it about hip hop, people who dislike rock and roll say it about rock and roll, people who dislike classical say it about classical. rinse, lather, repeat.

boys don't cry sounds NOTHING like just like heaven, etc.

also, south park wins again. their parody of goth culture is spot on, with the goth kids.
11.9.2008 6:25pm
Glenn W. Bowen (mail):
Confused, here- what is the relationship between "Downtown Train", and "Tonight's the Night"?

I know it's Stewart/Waits, but what else?

Thanks.
11.9.2008 7:10pm
DiversityHire:
whit, they'd only all sound the same if the government played them all. Of course they'd have to elide Boys Don't Cry as it is gender normative, and probably drop Killing an Arab & Fire in Cairo for being anti-muslim hate speak. I look forward to the government's selection of appropriate background music for our Hoffnungänderungsführer's summer camps.
11.9.2008 7:33pm
timd:
What I remember about this song:

A girl (umm, woman) on my freshman hall said that she didn't like the Cure because "they're sexist." Why are they sexist? Because they believe that boys don't cry...just like the song says.

In her defense, she was one of my best friends, and she was a chemistry major. Apparently, they don't teach irony in O-Chem.
11.9.2008 8:08pm
Hoosier:
whit:
the idea that the cure songs all sound the same is ridiculous.

To clarify, I was reponding to the comment about Dave Matthew's Band. If you say that their songs don't all sound the same, I shall have to challege you to a duel.

Melvins albums at 20 paces!
11.9.2008 9:42pm
Dave!:
Wow... 30 years ago? Now I feel old.
11.9.2008 10:06pm
whit:
dave matthews band does sound somewhat the same (i'm hedging), and they DO suck.

i have to admit i learned to play satellite on guitar, but it was only because i knew I'd get something out of it.

i like the melvins, but i wonder what part they played in courtney cobains nefarious plots!
11.10.2008 12:59am
Hoosier:
Whit--

I can understand why she killed Kurt. And Kristen Pfaff had to go too, of course. By why did she kill Layne Staley? I can't get her motive on that one.
11.10.2008 10:09am
whit:
that's easy.

staley was single handedly bogarting all the heroin in seattle.

you can't have that, man.
11.10.2008 10:49am
Hoosier:
Well, then, that explains it. Someone had to do it. They should leave her alone.

Speaking of (the) Melvins, I want to use this as the author photo for my book. But the editor thinks it isn't a very good idea:

www.ryanrussell.net/melvins_buzz1.jpg


Damned corporate publishers!
11.10.2008 11:44am
Thales (mail) (www):
Agree about Dave Matthews Band--what is actually sad is that there was *some* songwriting and instrumental promise on one album (Before These Crowded Streets, good guest spots from Bela Fleck and the Kronos Quartet), but it was quickly re-eclipsed by mediocre jam band odes to marijuana.

Also, can that sax player be the worst, most uninventive ever to grace a stage? He makes Clarence Clemons sound like John Coltrane. He and Kenny G can provide the soundtrack to our next psychological warfare operation against a petty dictator.
11.10.2008 11:46am
Hoosier:
Thales--

Amen. I liked DMB when I first heard them. But if I wanted to listen to endless drugged-out jams, I would have been born in 1950.

I find it hard to disagree with (the) Melvins on this one:

Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land. On a ree land. Find a ree land.

You sink a my swan. Rolly a get a worst in. Maybe minus way far central poor forty duck a pin . . .

Pill pop a dope a well run general
hash pump a gonna led.


Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land.


And that is just the sort of positive message that we need from our rock bands.
11.10.2008 9:36pm
Thales (mail) (www):
Hoosier:

I'm pleased we can agree about something despite our differences during election season. If people want to check out a *good* (but mostly unknown) American roots band, I recommend the Felice Brothers from upstate New York.
11.11.2008 10:52am