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The End:

While there's no obvious connection to Sarah Palin, I thought I'd mention that the world may end tomorrow. Scientists in Europe are planning to fire up a particle accelerator known as the Large Hadron Collider (once memorably misspelled by The New York Times), which has a 17-mile circumference. A few scientists think there is a small risk that the experiment will create a black hole voracious enough to swallow the huge unit and, well, the entire Earth.

I'm betting it won't happen. If I'm wrong, you can collect tomorrow night.

Hoosier:
I just hate these sorts of things. Like killer asteroids. They always get my hopes up.
9.9.2008 9:50pm
Pon Raul (mail):
The connection is that this might be "The End" for Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

Calling Palin a pig. . . that wouldn't likely get him many extra votes.
9.9.2008 9:52pm
Big E:
Remind me again why we canceled the Superconducting Super Collider.
9.9.2008 9:58pm
Redlands (mail):
Has Obama Central issued a denial yet that the remark was a reference to Gov. Palin? The crowd sure seemed to grasp that the joke was aimed at her.
9.9.2008 10:00pm
Big E:
The connection is that this might be "The End" for Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

Calling Palin a pig. . . that wouldn't likely get him many extra votes.


I'm sure Lindgren will have a post on it tomorrow.
9.9.2008 10:02pm
Katl L (mail):
Ther will be no collision tomorrow. It will be turn on and tested. Only by november will be the first collision
9.9.2008 10:03pm
titus32:
This from the linked article:

"But you can breathe easy, because some scientists believe that worry is just as baseless as the A-bomb's flaming atmosphere. "

What a relief.
9.9.2008 10:05pm
spider:
"Lipstick on a pig" is a common idiom. He meant that you can try to re-brand the Republicans, but they're still the same ol' Republicans.

Of course I agree that Obama shouldn't have said it, because it is redolent of a phrase Palin used, "lipstick on a pit bull", and the Repubs will spin it as an attack.
9.9.2008 10:06pm
yclipse (mail):
The world may indeed end tomorrow. And don't forget that minorities and women will be most strongly affected.
9.9.2008 10:12pm
Pon Raul (mail):
Sure, a common idiom, but as Ben Smith form Politico says . . .

"Though on a day when Obama's surrogates were joking that Palin's record can't be concealed with lipstick, it was hard for those following the campaign not to hear the echo."

Lipstick on a pit bull is now Palin's famous line. Sure, he didn't directly say that she is a pig, but if Obama is as great with words as his followers say, then he knew what he was doing.

Also from Ben Smith: "The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick.""
9.9.2008 10:16pm
Big E:
Also from Ben Smith: "The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick.""

I'm sure he surveyed the crowd to determine their interpretation of the comment.
9.9.2008 10:18pm
Syd Henderson (mail):
Well, it's too bad if the world ends, but at least the special effects will be cool.
9.9.2008 10:25pm
Hoosier:
Wait! Obama must not be reading from the same playbook as his backers. On an earlier thread we were told that it was us lads who think she's babelicious who are the pigs.

Sarah Palin has some pigs
E-I-E-I-O
9.9.2008 10:25pm
Pon Raul (mail):
I think that you can tell from the crowd as they start to laugh as the get the joke.
9.9.2008 10:29pm
Pon Raul (mail):
Also note the following:

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan introduced Joe Biden at a campaign event today. Referring to Sarah Palin’s record, Carnahan commented: “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick.”
9.9.2008 10:30pm
Mark Field (mail):
OMFG. A post on the LHC turns into a Palin discussion. Before I enter any thread from now on, I'm going to grab some random commenter and ask "Is it safe?". I'm sharpening the drill bits now.
9.9.2008 10:31pm
ian (mail) (www):
I'm along the same line as Mark; how the hell did this become a Palin/Obama discussion? Let me read my physics unmolested!
9.9.2008 10:39pm
great unknown (mail):
The campaign has generated a black hole which is swallowing all the threads. Hel
9.9.2008 10:41pm
Quarterly Prophet (mail):
Jesus Christ we can't even get to talk about physics without the comments devolving into petty crap. The future faces of law doesn't look too bright.
9.9.2008 10:42pm
Larry Sheldon:
Don't worry about the LHC--what ever happens, Obama will take credit for it, or blame Palin for it.

I depends.

which reminds me....
9.9.2008 10:46pm
wuzzagrunt (mail):
spider:

"Lipstick on a pig" is a common idiom.

Such a common idiom does not seem an appropriate place to meaningfully pause for crowd reaction.

The crowd seems to have gotten his meaning here, as well.
9.9.2008 10:47pm
Nate in Alice:
McCain used the idiom in reference to Hillary a few months back. I wouldn't sweat it.

At least if the collider does destroy the world, we'll be saved from the feigned outrage on the blogosphere....which is getting a bit much to swallow lately.
9.9.2008 10:51pm
Nate in Alice:
McCain used the idiom in reference to Hillary a few months back. I wouldn't sweat it.

At least if the collider does destroy the world, we'll be saved from the feigned outrage on the blogosphere....which is getting a bit much to swallow lately.
9.9.2008 10:51pm
neurodoc:
I thought I'd mention that the world may end tomorrow.
You won't be laughing if it does happen.
9.9.2008 10:56pm
John from Dallas (mail):
This thread has me wondering about what I perceive as a change in the comments (not as much about the posts). I was drawn to this blog for the intelligent discussion. This was one of the few blogs I visited where the comments were regularly intelligent, contributing to a real back and forth on complex issues (often with all participants admitting that the issues were complex, and thus, open to debate). The comments seem to have fallen to the level of uneducated political hackery.

When did this begin? Any guesses about when it will stop? The comments in this thread make it clear that simply avoiding the obviously political content isn't enough.
9.9.2008 11:07pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
The claims that it might generate a black hole that would swallow the earth seem to me completely ridic
9.9.2008 11:14pm
theobromophile (www):
I doubt that the LHC will create a black hole*. The only thing capable of that is the collective internet explosion from a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin ticket.

Anyone have the over/under on this thing producing dragons?

There are a fair number of upsides to this, though:
1. I wouldn't have to repay my student loans
2. Without Europe - or any country, foreign or otherwise - we wouldn't have to listen to people debate the relative foreign policy experience of Barack and the Sarahcuda
3. No more bad '70s music.

*Of course, with all the craziness going on these past few weeks, one can never be sure.
9.9.2008 11:20pm
wb (mail):
Dale,

I'd like to inform your readers that there is exactly ZERO chance of the world ending tomorrow because of LHC. Why? Because there will be NO beams in collision. Therefore, even if it were possible to make some kind of dangerous particle, any possibility will have to wait until beams are brought into collision a month from now (if all goes well).
9.9.2008 11:20pm
Pon Raul (mail):
Furthermore, saying that McCain is more of the same or a lier is the pot calling the kettle black. . . would the Obama campaign call foul?
9.9.2008 11:40pm
kevin r (mail):
As others have pointed out, they're just testing the LHC tomorrow -- we still have several weeks left before the black hole comes. So you might want to wait before you start looting.

However, while the black hole theory is pretty great, my favorite theory is that turning on the LHC will create some sort of ripple in time that goes backwards and causes the LHC to have never worked in the first place, creating a time paradox. Sort of like the series finale to Star Trek: The Next Generation, I guess. As evidence for this, the proponents point to the supercollider that was being built in the US before suddenly being cancelled -- their theory being that in some parallel universe it actually was finished and worked, but then went back in time and caused itself to be cancelled.
9.9.2008 11:40pm
js5 (mail):
they probably won't find much. people will call it a failure, a waste of huge amounts of resources. republicans will be like...you think WE wasted money on the war...at least we're freeing people by bombing the sh!t out of them. the backlash against science will continue, and slowly we slouch towards mesopotamia.

i'll be in my mud hut if anyone cares. (on the bright side, we're one step closer to our answers and will force us to re-evaluate lots of know physics and such...)
9.9.2008 11:40pm
Syd Henderson (mail):
wb is correct. Wikipedia has a timeline:


The collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (−271.25 °C). Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August 2008,[2][3] the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008,[4] at 7:30 GMT and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008.[5]


So we have another 41 days before the world ends, which gives me time to read the new Neal Stephenson novel. Unless the Cubs make it to the World Series, in which case we're all doomed.
9.9.2008 11:40pm
theobromophile (www):
Syd,

The Red Sox made it twice in the past four years. I think - and I have good sources (ha!) - that this is the year for the Cubs. So no worries about Armageddon from that. ;)
9.9.2008 11:43pm
wb (mail):
The Cubs making it to the World Series.... now that just might end the world as we know it.
9.9.2008 11:49pm
Pauldom:
What MarkField and Ian and others said: "how the hell did this become a Palin/Obama discussion? Let me read my physics unmolested!" And it only took TWO COMMENTS before the thread devolved. We don't need a new black hole; we already have one.
9.9.2008 11:55pm
Clayton E. Cramer (mail) (www):
they probably won't find much. people will call it a failure, a waste of huge amounts of resources. republicans will be like...you think WE wasted money on the war...at least we're freeing people by bombing the sh!t out of them. the backlash against science will continue, and slowly we slouch towards mesopotamia.
Huh? Republicans generally support basic scientific research. I certainly do.
9.9.2008 11:57pm
Humble Law Student (mail) (www):
Anyone read the Hyperion novels by Dan Simmons? This "black hole" creation is right out of his novels. I'd only add that if a "black hole" is created, it will only be a farce perpetrated by our AI overlords.
9.10.2008 12:00am
jccamp (mail):
"The LHC will accelerate two beams of subatomic particles--called hadrons--in opposite directions to more than 99.9 percent the speed of light. Smashing the beams together will create showers of new particles for physicists to study using special detectors."

If we change just one or two words, this sounds like the dueling press coverage of this campaign. You know, accelerate O'Reilly and Olbermann to near light speed and ram them together...
9.10.2008 12:04am
Mark Field (mail):

So we have another 41 days before the world ends


Thank God it's before November 4. That'll spare us 15 days or so.
9.10.2008 12:05am
jccamp (mail):
The key adjective being, of course, "subatomic"...
9.10.2008 12:05am
Anderson (mail):
While there's no obvious connection to Sarah Palin

Of course not. If the world is destroyed, it will be Bill Clinton's fault.
9.10.2008 12:09am
DG:
I hope they have enough sense not to cross the streams, which, as we've heard from noted particle accelerator expert Dr. Egon Spengler, is "very bad".
9.10.2008 12:10am
hawkins:

Huh? Republicans generally support basic scientific research. I certainly do.


Not that I have any idea of whether its a wise use of taxpayers' money, but the GOP apparently doesnt support studying the DNA of bears in Montana. Or at least the candidates are bragging they dont.
9.10.2008 12:11am
neurodoc:
...how the hell did this become a Palin/Obama discussion?
Some people don't believe that the LHC will bring about the end of the world, but do believe the election of one or the other of those two will bring us all to a cataclysmic finale.
9.10.2008 12:17am
Anderson (mail):
I was drawn to this blog for the intelligent discussion. This was one of the few blogs I visited where the comments were regularly intelligent, contributing to a real back and forth on complex issues (often with all participants admitting that the issues were complex, and thus, open to debate). The comments seem to have fallen to the level of uneducated political hackery.

I am curious what you might think of my comments here &here on that very subject.
9.10.2008 12:17am
kevin r (mail):
Anyone read the Hyperion novels by Dan Simmons? This "black hole" creation is right out of his novels. I'd only add that if a "black hole" is created, it will only be a farce perpetrated by our AI overlords.


And in Hyperion it's even called "the Big Mistake of '08"!

Just let me farcast off Old Earth and I'll be happy.
9.10.2008 12:30am
kevin r (mail):
You know, accelerate O'Reilly and Olbermann to near light speed and ram them together...


Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
9.10.2008 12:31am
jccamp (mail):
My vote is for yclipse and the disproportionate adverse effects of doomsday on certain protected groups.
9.10.2008 12:36am
jccamp (mail):
I suppose it would finally prove beyond rebuttal that global warming is indeed man-made.
9.10.2008 12:37am
Dave N (mail):
I agree with Mark Field (which in itself may cause some bizarre reaction we mortals cannot fathom).
9.10.2008 12:47am
anomdebus (mail):
kevin r: So you might want to wait before you start looting.


What?? NO!! What is this, your first end of existence?

Its very simple, loot now while you have time to enjoy it. What's the point of a brand new big screen tv if you only have 20 minutes to set it up and bask in its warm glow?
9.10.2008 12:48am
Bill Poser (mail) (www):
Well, there is a remote connection to Sarah Palin. The bet is only collectible after a new universe just like our own arises, which could take billions of years, in any case more than 21 years after the death of anyone here. It is therefore void under the Rule Against Perpetuities. Alaska, however, is one of the few states that have abolished the Rule.
9.10.2008 12:50am
Mark Field (mail):

I agree with Mark Field (which in itself may cause some bizarre reaction we mortals cannot fathom).


Well, we found agreement faster than the LHC is likely to find the Higgs boson.

According to Science magazine, which I coincidentally got in the mail today, you can already place your bets at Intrade on how long it will take to find the Higgs.
9.10.2008 1:04am
David Malmstrom (mail):
Large Hadron Rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

A good summary of what the LHC is - in rap form, of course.
9.10.2008 1:07am
xkcdFan:
On topic and less than 10 minutes old (as of this posting)...

http://xkcd.com/474/
9.10.2008 1:09am
one of many:
While there's no obvious connection to Sarah Palin,...
I'm betting it won't happen. If I'm wrong, you can collect tomorrow night.
Can I collect on you prediction that there was no obvious connection to Sarah Palin? 8 minutes and 2 posts, to connect to SP, is that a new record? If it took that long it must be a a very obscure connection, so I guess you won that prediction too.
9.10.2008 1:24am
volokh groupie:
@mark field

does intrade also have bids on the possibility of the world ending within a month?

and yeah..the LHC is not going to end the world..and please can this be the one blog where we dont' wast time talkign about every gaffe, wished gaffe, campaign offense etc?

@Anderson

This has got to be a product of the election..i was reminiscing about the good old days and reading a post w/interesting comments (it might have been one of the el hage posts)...i imagine those will be back after mid november

that said...if we're going to talk about the election..can it be more law oriented? like say a couple posts by Kmeic or by a McCain supporter w/respect to how they'd approach key cases, who they'd think would be at the top of their lists for scotus picks, etc?
9.10.2008 1:32am
BillW:
kevin r: As evidence for this, the proponents point to the supercollider that was being built in the US before suddenly being cancelled -- their theory being that in some parallel universe it actually was finished and worked, but then went back in time and caused itself to be cancelled.

It's been done, sort of. Einstein's Bridge (1998) by John Cramer.
9.10.2008 2:04am
Lior:
Prof. Carpenter: just because journalists benefits from hyping crackpots doesn't mean that you need to help them.

Journalists would rather write a story where a small opressed minority of "radical scientists" have different ideas from the general "concensus". It's very easy to say "some people say X, others say not X" without having to actually take a stand.

Some crackpots say the government is implanting transmitters in people's teeth. Some say the Earth is flat, or that today's landscape was shaped by the biblical flood. Some say that the world may end when collisions happen in the LHC.

Serious people like yourself don't have to fall for this: if you repeat their "predictions" you should also note that they don't have a leg to stand on.
9.10.2008 2:21am
Kevin P. (mail):

Dave Hardy:
The claims that it might generate a black hole that would swallow the earth seem to me completely ridic

LOL, this was funny!
9.10.2008 2:26am
Hoosier:
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9.10.2008 2:27am
Tom Shipley:
anomdebus: It has been proven that a normally articulated human being cannot setup a "brand new big screen" in less than 27.38 minutes (confidence level 6.4x10^-13).

BillW: Einstein's Bridge (1998) by John Cramer = Good Read.

For the baseball fans: my son caught a pop-foul ball at the Cards' game last Saturday evening. YEA! Phil!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled perusal of lawyers and their lexemes...
9.10.2008 2:43am
subpatre (mail):
In a variation of what dogs hear, here is Dale Carpenter:
Blah blah's blah blah blah connection blah Sarah Palin, blah blah blah blah world may end tomorrow. Blah blah blah blah blah fire blah blah blah blah blah blah blah (blah blah blah blah New York Times), blah blah blah. Blah blah scientists think blah blah blah risk blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah huge blah blah blah entire Earth.
9.10.2008 3:21am
Fub:
titus32 wrote at 9.9.2008 9:05pm:
"But you can breathe easy, because some scientists believe that worry is just as baseless as the A-bomb's flaming atmosphere. "

What a relief.
It's poorly stated in the article, probably for the usual yellow journalistic purposes. The "fear" was more a joke at Trinity.
Although most scientists believed that the yields would be low, Edward Teller, group leader of the Super and General Theory Group (F-1) in F (Fermi) Division, bet that it might exceed 40 kilotons, and Enrico Fermi, head of F Division, was heard taking side-bets that the bomb would incinerate New Mexico. Groves called the governor of New Mexico to alert him that an evacuation of the state might be required.
Apparently only Gen. Groves took it seriously.
9.10.2008 3:29am
one of many:
xkcdFan, off-topic, you want to go back to episode 401 to stay on-topic. too lazy to do it myself but just change "/474/"(or whatever) in the link to "/401/"
9.10.2008 4:35am
Syd Henderson (mail):

xkcdFan:
On topic and less than 10 minutes old (as of this posting)...

http://xkcd.com/474/


The end of the world is a great opportunity to get laid. Larry Niven's story Inconstant Moon also dealt with this final question.
9.10.2008 5:42am
Sarcastro (www):
Any BH created would be too small to eat anything before they colapsed in a puff of Hawking radiation.

It's funny to us, but I have no doubt there are protestors out there saying we've gone too far in our mad pursuit of knowledge.

//takes of serious scientist hat.
///(for those of you following along at home, it kinda looks like the pope hat).
9.10.2008 9:19am
Jerry F:
The CIA should (but probably won't) destroy this Collider. The risks are just far too high. There have been several instances in human history were a minority of scientists were correct and a majority of scientists were wrong about a scientific development. If the Europeans want to take this kind of risk, they should work on their Hadron on the moon, even if that means they won't get it to work until 2250.
9.10.2008 10:12am
Jerry F:
You have to love how liberals like Al Gore who want to completely restructure our society and weaken our economy because of the hypothetical and distant risks of global warming are nonetheless willing to take an imminent risk of far greater harm in order to achieve tangential, hypothetical and distant benefits to science. Not hypocritical at all.
9.10.2008 10:39am
Prufrock765 (mail):
Are we sure that the black hole will stop at Earth's boundaries?...or, in other words, to paraphrase Helen Lovejoy:

THE VENUSIANS!!...WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE VENUSIANS!!!!
9.10.2008 10:44am
Hoosier:
You guys still there?

Hello?

Is it growing?

Hello?
9.10.2008 10:55am
Hoosier:
Sarcastro: It's funny to us, but I have no doubt there are protestors out there saying we've gone too far in our mad pursuit of knowledge.

Oppenheimer: And now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Yeah, funny. Freakin' hilarious.
9.10.2008 10:58am
Sarcastro (www):
Hoosier I don't think the Manhattan project was in pursuit of knowledge.

In name dropping news, Oppenheimer went to my High School!

We were not in the same classes though.
9.10.2008 11:01am
Sarcastro (www):
Jerry F is priceless. This Black Hole will be Al Gore's fault, and the CIA should do a preemptive strike.

I've been googling around (slow work day) looking for any reputable scientist that said actuall suck-you-up (scientific term) black holes would be created, and couldn't find any.

Also, if a SYU-BH does form, putting this experiment on the moon ain't gonna help.
9.10.2008 11:25am
Observer:
Sarcastro: I think putting the experiment on the moon would help. A black hole would have the same mass as existed at the beginning of the experiment. If the tiny black hole is created on Earth, the danger is that it would be pulled by gravity toward the center of the Earth. There, it would eat its surroundings but the eating would stop once the Earth is swallowed. Because the mass would remain the same, the gravitational field would be the same as it currently is, so the moon would continue revolving around the black hole as it currently revole around the Earth. Similarly, if the black hole appears on the moon it would swallow the moon and end there. It would even continue to exercise the same gravitational effect on ocean waves, etc., so no big deal.
9.10.2008 11:55am
Mark Field (mail):

does intrade also have bids on the possibility of the world ending within a month?


Sadly, no. I guess they were concerned about payouts. Hmmm. If they really are concerned....
9.10.2008 12:01pm
Mark Field (mail):

I think putting the experiment on the moon would help. A black hole would have the same mass as existed at the beginning of the experiment. If the tiny black hole is created on Earth, the danger is that it would be pulled by gravity toward the center of the Earth. There, it would eat its surroundings but the eating would stop once the Earth is swallowed. Because the mass would remain the same, the gravitational field would be the same as it currently is, so the moon would continue revolving around the black hole as it currently revole around the Earth. Similarly, if the black hole appears on the moon it would swallow the moon and end there. It would even continue to exercise the same gravitational effect on ocean waves, etc., so no big deal.


It's hard to know on this thread what's intended as parody and what's not. Assuming this was meant seriously, a real black hole of lunar mass would continue to grow as it accreted dust, comets, asteroids, old US flags, etc. In addition, the "swallowing" of the moon (which wouldn't actually happen, but hey) would change the orbital dynamics in unpredictable ways.

No, I say do the experiment here and don't externalize the costs of our own foolishness.
9.10.2008 12:06pm
Sarcastro (www):
Observer Huh. That does makes some sense in a Newtonian system. I left physics partially because I couldn't do the GR so I'll assume it still makes sense ina Kerr metric or whatnot.
9.10.2008 12:06pm
Observer:
Mark Field: "Assuming this was meant seriously, a real black hole of lunar mass would continue to grow as it accreted dust, comets, asteroids, old US flags, etc. In addition, the "swallowing" of the moon (which wouldn't actually happen, but hey) would change the orbital dynamics in unpredictable ways."

You may be right as to your second point. But on your first point, I don't see why a black hole of lunar mass would attract more outside objects than the moon otherwise would, as it would have the same gravitational field. So it wouldn't be expected to grow all that much.
9.10.2008 12:14pm
zippypinhead:
jccamp wrote:

If we change just one or two words, this sounds like the dueling [VC thread comment?] coverage of this campaign. You know, accelerate O'Reilly and Olbermann to near light speed and ram them together...
Jccamp wins the thread! Although several posts from Hoosier gave JC a strong run...

Dale, have you not learned by now that ALL posts on VC nowadays have an "obvious connection to Sarah Palin?" Sheesh...
9.10.2008 12:14pm
Reggae:
wb wrote:

The Cubs making it to the World Series.... now that just might end the world as we know it.



I just noticed that the World Series is scheduled to begin on October 22, the day after the first collision. (Cue Twilight Zone music.)
9.10.2008 12:15pm
PLR:
I'm betting it won't happen. If I'm wrong, you can collect tomorrow night.

In these circumstances, my Banker's Manual of Official Procedures requires me to ask for payment by money order rather than check.
9.10.2008 12:21pm
Mark Field (mail):

But on your first point, I don't see why a black hole of lunar mass would attract more outside objects than the moon otherwise would, as it would have the same gravitational field. So it wouldn't be expected to grow all that much.


A fair point, though not quite right. Imagine a comet or asteroid hitting the moon. It would do two things: add some of the mass of the comet/asteroid to the moon; and eject material from the moon because of the collision (in essence, dust would fly off the moon). The latter isn't a factor with a black hole. It simply accretes (except for Hawking radiation), and would gradually grow larger than the moon.
9.10.2008 1:40pm
some sense:
We can hope that the Suck-You_up Black Hole grows until it attempts to swallow Roseanne Barr, and which point it explodes and produces an everlasting source of cheap energy.
I'm going back on my meds now.
9.10.2008 1:59pm
Hoosier:
Sarcastro
Hoosier I don't think the Manhattan project was in pursuit of knowledge.

Well, knowledge. Explosions. Whatever.

In name dropping news, Oppenheimer went to my High School!

Cool! And impressive.

I was in high school at the same time as Liz Phair. So having already quoted your fellow alum, I'm going to have to quote mine:

You walk in clouds of glitter
and the Sun reflects you eyes.
And every time the wind blows
I can smell you in the skies.

Your kisses are as wicked as a M-16
and you **** like a volcano
And you're everything to me.

'Cause you're a human supernova
A solar superman
You're an angel with wings afire
A flying, giant friction blast
You're a giant, flying friction blast



From Supernova
(See how I kept to the big nuclear explosion theme? But I wonder what she means by the "friction" thing.)
9.10.2008 3:53pm
Hoosier:
WAIT!

I just GOT IT!
9.10.2008 4:03pm