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Palin's Speech:
A speech is just a speech, of course. And no doubt your take on the speech depends on your political views. But I thought Palin was a natural tonight: She was as good as Obama can be, and I think that's pretty damn good.

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BlackX (mail):
Too bad it's not a Palin-McCain ticket.
9.4.2008 12:17am
Casual Observer:
She crushed it tonight. First time I've been interested and inspired by a candidate in a long time. Good for her, and for us.
9.4.2008 12:19am
DangerMouse:
She's amazing. She's great. I thought it was an excellent speech. The bio, the experience, the jokes, the pledge, the determination, and the acclaim will win over American voters. Let the liberal media thugs do their worst, although I don't see them doing that anymore, after the beating they received tonight.
9.4.2008 12:19am
PC:
I wouldn't say she is as emotive as Obama, but she can certainly deliver a very good speech. Her delivery is disarming and biting and the same time. Overall a good pick to fill the "VP as attack dog" roll.
9.4.2008 12:20am
DNL (mail):
Yep: Both she and Obama are amazingly likable even when they're being downright mean, and even if you disagree with them on the issues. I knew virtually nothing about her beforehand, and I know very little more about her now, but she's certainly no Dan Quayle.
9.4.2008 12:20am
taney71:
Great speech. Hit it out the park. Much better than Biden. Hope the MSM shoves it now.
9.4.2008 12:20am
timd:
unbelievably good. the Reps are on the offensive. and she's now the frontrunner to be first woman Pres.
9.4.2008 12:23am
William Wallace:
She is amazingly good. Outstanding. I would have never thought that I could be inspired by a woman politician. Until tonight.
9.4.2008 12:27am
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):
Camer to chew gum and kick ass, and she's too much a lady to chew gum on stage.
9.4.2008 12:27am
VincentPaul (mail):
bull's-eye
9.4.2008 12:28am
Dave!:
It was a good *political* speech--and very appropriate for a convention. But I didn't really learn anything new about her or her policies. Meh.
9.4.2008 12:28am
TomT (mail):
As a Speech, I think it was alright. Considering the circumstances, I think she did a preety good job.
9.4.2008 12:29am
A. Person (mail):
Do any of you zombies know that she didn't actually write the speech herself?
9.4.2008 12:30am
Hoosier:
I was hugely impressed.

As I said in an email to some grad school buddies who post to each other on politics and so on, we still need to see her in interviews. Debates? Not too much of a worry: She'll only be debating Biden, and he's not superior as a debater. (My pick for best debater on either side is Dodd. Amazes me that I ended up thinking that . . . But what can I say.)

She can do the speeches. And she'll probably have a debate which will go fine.

So I'm gonna wait until I see her on MTP and This Week before coming to any final conclusions.

But as to speechifying: Palin is as good as anyone out there now.
9.4.2008 12:31am
AK (mail):
I'm going with very good. Part of it is that the accent is the only off-putting thing about her, but that's balanced out by not doing the stupid Obama Head Tilt. Let the applause step on her best lines a bit. B+
9.4.2008 12:32am
Hoosier:
A. Person:

Check my post on the previous thread. I actually know WHO wrote the speech, and have read his book.

Now go away, you pissy little man. I have to shamble around an abandonned farm house and eat some brains.
9.4.2008 12:33am
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
The emerging meme from the left is that she didn't write the speech. It seems to me that when that's the best response you can spit out, you're conceding it was a hell of a performance.
9.4.2008 12:35am
Bill O'Hara (mail) (www):
I wasn't sure what to think until tonight. You hear enough slander about someone and anyone will start to look unattractive. Her speech was very impressive - it was a breath of fresh air.
9.4.2008 12:35am
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):

Do any of you zombies know that she didn't actually write the speech herself?



Does your mommy know you're up this late?
9.4.2008 12:36am
llamasex (mail) (www):
I am with Davel, the only two policies she claims are Pro-Drilling/Pipeline and anti Earmarks/Pork/Waste. I am pretty sure anyone from politics in Alaska can't be all that anti-earmarks/Pork/Waste. I mean compared to the normal Alaskan Politician she looks good, but compared her actions on the national stage, she is very much Pro Pork/Earmarks/Waste

That's not Anti-Pork I can believe in.
9.4.2008 12:36am
Charlie (Colorado) (mail):

Now go away, you pissy little man. I have to shamble around an abandonned farm house and eat some brains.



Wish I'd have said that.
9.4.2008 12:37am
AK (mail):
The emerging meme from the left is that she didn't write the speech. It seems to me that when that's the best response you can spit out, you're conceding it was a hell of a performance.

Where have we heard something like this before? Oh yeah: "McCain heard the questions in advance."

You don't make excuses when you win.
9.4.2008 12:38am
Deo Vindice:
Amazing performance. She absolutely nailed it. Out of the park grand slam.
9.4.2008 12:39am
OrinKerr:
Kids,

Be civil or daddy will cut off the comment thread.
9.4.2008 12:39am
blabla (mail):
I dunno, I'm a McCain supporter and I wasn't wowed. I didn't think she was terrible, but I just felt like too much if it was empty rhetoric. Especially the stuff about getting into politics for the right reasons. I did sort of perk up a bit when she attacked Obama, though; it's always good to get a little rid meat.
9.4.2008 12:40am
private:
Someone needs to tell Obama to put on a good steel cup. That lady can kick.
9.4.2008 12:41am
Kiran (Maryland):
She is an excellent speaker indeed, although she didn't say much of anything not related in some way to her experiences in Alaska or why she dislikes Obama. The debates will go well for her if she is this good off the cuff and has a sound knowledge of national issues, but I will reserve judgment until I see her in those unscripted settings.

Certainly though, she is a very appealing speaker.
9.4.2008 12:41am
billpitcher:
Great beginning; watch for this weekend's poll numbers.
9.4.2008 12:43am
Hoosier:
Orin--Sorry dad. I'll try to behave.

(You may feel free to cut out the adjective that I used to describe the person who described me as a zombie, and which I got from my Irish grandma. But please leave in the 'shambling around the farmhouse bit': I kinda liked that one. And I'm contract faculty, so I don't get much pleasure in life.)
9.4.2008 12:44am
Jonathan H. Adler (mail) (www):
The "she didn't write the speech" meme is really silly. Few major politician write any major speeches, but the good orators make written speeches their own. Palin did that tonight. Giving a big speech to a crowd of thousands is no mean feat, even off a teleprompter. She's not as good as some others (especially Obama) -- at least not yet -- but she did quite well for a supposedly inexperienced hick from Alaska. Other challenges remain, such as extended media interviews and her debate with Biden, but a significant hurdle has been overcome with ease.

One thought on the substance: Including an extended discussion of international energy markets was quite shrewd. It allowed her to play to one of her strengths -- energy policy -- while simultaneously undercutting concerns about her lack of foreign policy experience.

JHA



JHA
9.4.2008 12:44am
Hoosier:
Kiran--Agrred that she didn't get far from home, metaphorically speaking.

BUT what was clever was using the energy issue, about which she clearly knows somthing, as a Bridge to Elsewhere. If I may put it like that. Quite shrewd. She went into the Caspian Basin/Venezuela/Persian Gulf without it sounding like a reach that way. Without sounding like she was trying to establish her credibility on foreign policy. Good idea for a segue.
9.4.2008 12:50am
Hoosier:
AND . . . JHA beat me to it.
9.4.2008 12:50am
A. Zarkov (mail):
A. Person:

"Do any of you zombies know that she didn't actually write the speech herself?"


Very few politicians write their speeches. FDR had an army of speech writers. This is not the time of Lincoln. Do you think Clinton wrote his speeches, or Hillary? JFK had his speeches written for him, and probably his book Profiles in Courage was ghosted by Sorenson.

As I said in my prior post, my contact deep inside the Obama campaign says that BHO actually does write his speeches. In my opinion, this is much to his credit. However, I will not vote for him as I think he would be a menace to the republic. Nor will I vote for McCain.

In any case your comment is juvenile.
9.4.2008 12:52am
AK (mail):
I prefer the speeches that Obama writes all by his super-intelligent self:

What they'll say is, "Well it costs too much money," but you know what? It would cost, about... It -- it -- it would cost about the same as what we would spend... It... Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us... All right. Okay. We're going to... It... It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about -- hold on one second. I can't hear myself. But I'm glad you're fired up, though. I'm glad.
9.4.2008 12:52am
Joshua:
Gov. Palin impressed me. Like Obama's speech last week, it wasn't quite a grand slam, but she definitely established herself as a tough but genuinely likable candidate. While she spoke at length about her family (but not Bristol's pregnancy) and her small-town background, to her credit she stopped well short of any explicit culture-war rhetoric, but she didn't hesitate to attack the Obama campaign with gusto. It seems to me that's her real value to McCain, her ability to play the anti-Obama, and to win "hearts and minds" among Republican voters, particularly younger ones, in a way that the doddering McCain is hard-pressed to do.

She could have done without McCain's little cameo at the end, though. For that matter, so could have McCain. I'd hazard that by now more than a few folks in the Xcel Energy Center are secretly wishing their party's ticket were reversed.
9.4.2008 12:53am
DangerMouse:
Where have we heard something like this before? Oh yeah: "McCain heard the questions in advance."

You don't make excuses when you win.


Bingo. The left is running scared. More thug tactics tomorrow, I predict. But they'll be sleeping uneasy tonight. Ha. Serves them right.
9.4.2008 12:54am
eagle:
Sarah Palin was superb! I believe she will make the left tremble with anger and fear and they will only be able to whine as they always have because they are ideologically bankrupt. Palin called them out, shot them between the eyes, and had them field dressed before they had time to blink.
9.4.2008 12:55am
Koho (mail):
Oh my.... scary woman. "I said, thanks but no thanks, to the bridge to nowhere...". No shame in this one, after she lobbied for it for two years. And I thought her comments about Obama were just mean-spirited. Karl rove must have a big hard-on. Whomever said Obama can be just as mean, you are way off base. I still think Obama will win, but this is scary...
Koho
9.4.2008 12:56am
JohnK (mail):
The she didn't write her speech mame is pathetic. Aren't like half the media hacks former speech writers?

Her voice is a bit grating but that is not her fault. She can deliver really great lines and sound so nice. More importantly, she can be funny. That is what she has over Obama. Obama can sound nice but he is totally earnest and humorless. She woman is funny. Reagan was funny. Humor and sarcasm are incredibly effective when you can do it and still look nice.
9.4.2008 12:56am
fahagen:
FYI: The Obama campaign talking points instruct the media to mention that her speech was written by a speech writer. That's why all the TV personalities are all responding to the speech by reminding us that the speech was written by a speech writer. If that is the best they can come up with, I guess she did pretty well.
9.4.2008 12:59am
Hoosier:
"Karl rove must have a big hard-on."

Mrs. Rove would be a lucky woman then, wouldn't she?
9.4.2008 1:00am
Viceroy:
Palin gave a great speech, as expected. I think her influence will be minimal on the election.
9.4.2008 1:03am
Waldensian (mail):

I'd hazard that by now more than a few folks in the Xcel Energy Center are secretly wishing their party's ticket were reversed.

You may be right. But at that point, the whole "experience" issue would enter the 27th dimension of counter-counter-spin.
9.4.2008 1:03am
EH (mail):
Like speeches from speechwriters, her policies will be created by policy writers. Truly an ideological placeholder.
9.4.2008 1:04am
Hoosier:
"FYI: The Obama campaign talking points instruct the media to mention that her speech was written by a speech writer."

Did Obama also instruct his minions to call the rest of us "zombies"? Because that is VERY INSENSITIVE.

We are the 'ontologically challenged,' Senator Obama. And we VOTE! (You're a Cook County Democrat. You KNOW how much the undead vote has helped your party in the past!)
9.4.2008 1:04am
Estragon (mail) (www):
Pretty good, though if you can't sell it with a teleprompter and the friendliest possible crowd then there's not much hope for you. There were a bunch of specific lines in there (ranging from fairly sarcastic stuff like the "community organizer" crack to the return of the "bridge to nowhere") and it'll be interesting to see whether she can manage being pushed on them without the help of a full script. She's going to have to talk to the press, and directly to her opponent, sooner or later, and that'll be the key test. Obama's people (his actual campaign, I mean) have played it pretty safe so far -- they don't want to come off as patronizing or sexist. But now Palin has set herself up with the 'barracuda' image ("Not afraid of a fight", etc). This means that the Dems are going to spend some time coming up with some well-crafted questions (about her time as gov; specific claims in tonight's speech; things requiring knowledge of actual policy, etc) ask her them directly and then see if she damns herself out of her own mouth. She's clearly got the moxie to be a good campaign-trail person and can give a good speech to the base. But that's going to have to be mixed with evidence that she knows what she's talking about and can perform competently off-the-cuff. Otherwise, she's just going to sound like an ignorant loudmouth -- a sort of replacement Ann Coulter.
9.4.2008 1:05am
Reinhold (mail):
To the left's surprise, she's not Dan Quayle. I don't think the left will be able to label her quite as easily. Barring some disaster, this VP nomination will launch her as the frontrunner for 2012 or 2016.
9.4.2008 1:05am
Jay Reding (www):
Sarah Palin will be the first female President of the United States.

She has the raw political talent of a Clinton or a Reagan. She has exactly the right message. She handled the foreign policy part of her speech well. This wasn't a substantive speech (and it should not have been), but it was a speech that will resonate with Middle America in a way that Obama never can.

She will resonate with Middle America because she's one of us. She has a singular gift for connecting with her audience.

I was expecting her to do OK. This was so much more than OK, this was a home run. She cut Obama down to size and painted a compelling political narrative for McCain. That's exactly what she needed to do, and she did it like no one else could have.
9.4.2008 1:06am
Nathan_M (mail):
I am shocked, shocked, to find a politician not writing her own speech.

I can't stand Palin's brand of phony populism, so I hated the speech, but she delevered it extremely well. The price of "Palin to withdraw as VP" contracts at intrade have halved, so she must have done a very good job.
9.4.2008 1:06am
Just Tom (mail):
No shame in this one, after she lobbied for it for two years.

Of course the fact that she's only be in office for a little over a year and a half isn't relevant as long as your comment sounds truthy.
9.4.2008 1:06am
DangerMouse:
If that is the best they can come up with, I guess she did pretty well.

No kidding. Of course we knew that she didn't write the entire speech. That's why they have speechwriters! Does anything think Biden wrote any of his (at least the ones that weren't plagiarized)? Or Clinton? Or even Obama?

This is the lamest, most pathetic complaint I've heard yet from the left. If this is all they have, they're dead in the water. DEAD. And there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
9.4.2008 1:06am
absalom:
Any bets on whether she'll be so eloquent when Stephen Branchflower deposes her in connection with the Alaska legislature's pending investigation?
9.4.2008 1:07am
coggieguy (mail):
The look on Andrea Mitchell's face when she interviewed Rudy G afterward was priceless..... glum and disoriented, you would think she had loudly farted on camera.
9.4.2008 1:10am
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
Any bets on whether she'll be so eloquent when Stephen Branchflower deposes her in connection with the Alaska legislature's pending investigation?


I'll take that bet. I'm eager to see all the "progressives" rally around the domestic abuser who tasered a 10-year-old and threatened to kill his father-in-law - oh, and who was a cop who drank on duty. Mike Wooten: poster child of the American left.
9.4.2008 1:11am
TerrorMind (mail):
I'm telling you, I think you're going to see a lot more of people like Peggy Noonan and the hot mic on MSNBC when the political types realize that they are completely out of control this season.
9.4.2008 1:12am
mrestko:
I enjoyed her speech. The only point I really cringed was when she made that remark about terrorists being read their rights...I would hope for a VP to have more respect for the Constitution than that. And for what it's worth, at least the crowd reaction seemed mixed.
9.4.2008 1:12am
markH (mail):
Was it one snide remark in general that y'all find "inspirational" or the snide remarks taken as a whole?

That speech can be kindly described as "scrappy" at best.

First female president?

No.
9.4.2008 1:13am
EIDE_Interface (mail):
To the guy who said her voice is grating: she sounds like a real honest person!
9.4.2008 1:14am
E.Ming:
As someone supporting Obama/Biden, I'll say this - she's no where near as good as Obama at his best, but not too bad. Certainly better than I expected. (And I actually expected pretty good.)

The speech itself was good for the red meat, but there wasn't much substance to it. However, where I think Palin has got some serious talent is in her delivery of attack lines. Very, very effective. Much more so than Rudy in fact, because while his delivery was good for the base, I think it was too over-the-top and mean-spirited seaming for the average viewer at home. But the way Palin delivered the insults with a smile and almost friendly demeanor was potentially convincing to undecideds. Very good job.

Now, the fun question is: Did she just upstage McCain? I know how I'm betting...
9.4.2008 1:14am
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
Btw, here's the ADN's July story on Wooten detailing the findings against him. As I said, *please* rally around this guy.
9.4.2008 1:14am
Timmay (mail):
"This election isn't about the issues."

-Rick Davis

Well, that was perfectly obvious tonight. The speech was well delivered and should bring in some cash for McCain, but as for bringing over the undecideds? Not so sure. I think Johnny Lunchbucket in Ohio is a bit more concerned about his paycheck than a snarky comment about a fake presidential seal that 90% of the undecideds probably never heard of.

It also seemed like they were running against Obama from a month ago, before he outlined specific plans to match his vague "hope" and "change" statements earlier in the election.
9.4.2008 1:14am
Estragon (mail) (www):
The only point I really cringed was when she made that remark about terrorists being read their rights... I would hope for a VP to have more respect for the Constitution than that

You are aware of who the current VP is, right? If McCain wins, I look forward to further expansion of the Executive's self-arrogated authority to decide who's a terrorist, and what rights such people do or do not have.
9.4.2008 1:15am
EIDE_Interface (mail):
markH:

Pathetic troll. Bitter, angry.
9.4.2008 1:15am
Hoosier:
DangerMouse: But isn't it fun to watch them panic?

mrestko: Yeah. Agreed. Worst line of the speech. Sounded like something Giuliani could have said and perhaps sounded like he was joking. But it wasn't a high point of the speech, for damn sure.
9.4.2008 1:16am
EIDE_Interface (mail):

Timmay (mail):
"This election isn't about the issues."

-Rick Davis

Well, that was perfectly obvious tonight. The speech was well delivered and should bring in some cash for McCain, but as for bringing over the undecideds? Not so sure. I think Johnny Lunchbucket in Ohio is a bit more concerned about his paycheck than a snarky comment about a fake presidential seal that 90% of the undecideds probably never heard of.

It also seemed like they were running against Obama from a month ago, before he outlined specific plans to match his vague "hope" and "change" statements earlier in the election.
9.4.2008 12:14am


Ah so you admit Obama's entire campaign is predicated on promising all the goodies to everyone. That Palin refuses to play that game is a problem?
9.4.2008 1:17am
Hoosier:
Estragon: You are aware of McCain's position on torture? And you are just trying to perpetuate the "McCain is Bush" meme?

Well, I should be gentle with you now. Palin just ruined your fall, didn't she?
9.4.2008 1:20am
EH (mail):
Reinhold:
To the left's surprise, she's not Dan Quayle. I don't think the left will be able to label her quite as easily.


Jann Carl? Carrie Nation? Patricia Heaton? Work with me, people...
9.4.2008 1:21am
EIDE_Interface (mail):
I don't understand why we can't torture Al Queda captives?
9.4.2008 1:22am
Anna:
For those who doubt Sarah Palin's ability to speak, haven't you seen her interview with Maria Bartiromo on CNBC earlier this week? She rocked! And she didn't intersperse every other word with an "uh" or an "uhm" or a "you know." If you want articulate, she's it. Obama can't hold a candle to her.

And do watch the Alaska governor debate that was posted earlier today here on Volokh. I don't agree with all of her positions, but she is definitely no dummy.
9.4.2008 1:23am
anon123:
I couldn't believe my ears when she delivered the line about Obama being concerned with reading suspected terrorists their rights. And the crowd cheered her on?! Don't VPs have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution?

She certainly did a good job, if you can stand the mockery and belittling.
9.4.2008 1:23am
Constantin:
Obama does not write his own speeches. Google Jon Favreau (not the "Vegas, Baby" Jon Favreau). Several glowing features on him as a twenty-something guy behind the guy, crafting Obama's convention speech from 2004 and his post-Iowa primary win speech.
9.4.2008 1:25am
DangerMouse:
Hoosier, I'm having a ball right now. This is the best I've felt about this election yet. Sarah Palin is the real deal, the left is running scared, their media shark frenzy over the past several days turned to be a big nothing, and they're only beginning to realize it this minute.
9.4.2008 1:25am
DangerMouse:
It also seemed like they were running against Obama from a month ago, before he outlined specific plans to match his vague "hope" and "change" statements earlier in the election.

So the election IS a journey of personal discovery for Obama? Well, at least you admit it.
9.4.2008 1:27am
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
I couldn't believe my ears when she delivered the line about Obama being concerned with reading suspected terrorists their rights. And the crowd cheered her on?! Don't VPs have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution?

You assume she was talking about people in the United States. I figured she was talking about terrorists overseas. Treating terrorists abroad as enemies rather than suspects has a lot more tradition behind it than treating them as criminal suspects.
9.4.2008 1:27am
Constantin:
To clarify--my last post was muddy on this point--young Jon Favreau did not write Obama's 2004 speech. He was working for Kerry then and was dispatched to work with Obama to make sure his speech didn't overlap with Kerry's. Joined Obama as chief speechwriter in 2007. Seems like an odd job for a guy who writes his own speeches...
9.4.2008 1:27am
OrinKerr:
DangerMouse,

But did you see the video in which they asked Sarah Palin who her favorite Supreme Court Justice was, and she answered Anthony Kennedy?

The video is here.
9.4.2008 1:28am
Estragon (mail) (www):
Estragon: You are aware of McCain's position on torture? And you are just trying to perpetuate the "McCain is Bush" meme?

No, I am aware of the non-partisan temptations of executive power, and frankly have no faith in McCain's ability to resist them. He has not been consistent on much else in his career or his campaign, and strikes me mostly as a cranky old man bored out of his mind by anything other than the American military, with the possibly exception of immigration policy. (Incidentally, should he be elected I doubt Obama would do much to roll back some of the expanded powers of the past eight years, either, especially with respect to surveillance.)

Well, I should be gentle with you now. Palin just ruined your fall, didn't she?

As a matter of fact, I don't even have a vote in your election. But you're having a good time gloating, so please don't let me get in your way.
9.4.2008 1:29am
llamasex (mail) (www):
Orin,

I am way off topic here, but what do you think about this mob turns on cops YouTube video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws-mn3M23dc
9.4.2008 1:29am
hawkins:
If it was not before, I think Palin's family is now fair game for a all decent criticism.
9.4.2008 1:29am
Redlands (mail):

Do any of you zombies know that she didn't actually write the speech herself?


No, I didn't know that! Damn. I ain't votin' for any politician that doesn't write his or her own speech!!!

Thanks a gob for letting me know this. What a horrible mistake I would have made.
9.4.2008 1:29am
Jon Roland (mail) (www):
While Palin may not have written this speech by herself, it is apparent that she contributed much to the writing. Key elements of the rhetorical phrasing and style are hers, as can be seen by examining other public speaking events, especially her debate against Tony Knowles in the general election for governor. She did use a teleprompter for this one, but I noticed that it was not entirely in sync with her, that she didn't keep her eyes on it, and that she departed from it from time to time in minor ways, and didn't just read from it. It was a well-rehearsed speech, but if the teleprompters had failed she would have been able to deliver the speech without them. She was always at ease, and supremely poised. She came across as presidential, more than any of the other three.

We have two great orators emerging from this election: Palin and Obama. If I were managing a debating contest, I would match them against each other and let McCain debate Biden.

Palin dominates this election campaign. All eyes are on her, more than on the other contestants, who are in danger of being ignored by the free media. Even her opponents are paying most of their attention to her, to the neglect of their own candidates. My estimate of the value of the lady for free media is now increased to $1 billion.
9.4.2008 1:32am
absalom:
I'm eager to see all the "progressives" rally around the domestic abuser who tasered a 10-year-old and threatened to kill his father-in-law - oh, and who was a cop who drank on duty
You mean "progressives" like Alaska State Police Chief Julia Grimes, who had already imposed a suspension in March 2006?

Or do you mean Walt Monegan, the former Anchorage police chief who resisted Palin's pressure (direct and indirect) in 2007 to fire Wooten for these previously adjudicated infractions?

Wait -- you must mean the 12 state senators, representing both parties, who voted unanimously on July 28, 2008 to launch an investigation into Palin's apparent abuse of power in dismissing Monegan over the Wooten matter?

Either Alaska is crawling with "progressives," or maybe Troopergate -- and Palin's imminent subpoena now that she's flip-flopped on cooperating with the investigation -- is more about questioning abuse of power and not so much about rallying around the target of Palin's vendetta.
9.4.2008 1:33am
Cold Warrior:
Fine job. As Dave! said, a good "political" speech. Basically playing attack dog just like Joe Biden, only she's more effective in a "less is more" kind of way.

Still, I find the sarcasm a bit off-putting. I really don't like the disparaging comments about Obama's record. And I similarly won't like disparaging comments about being a small town mayor. I thought the same thing about Fred Thompson's speech. It went into details about McCain's POW experiences that I was not aware of, and I wound up with an even greater respect for the man. But a couple gratitous snarky comments were kind of jarring. The "we hear a lot about hope these days (hah! take that Barack!)" kind of thing. "Red meat" seems to be the phrase du jour, and I'll take it to mean this: never stick to the high road when you have a microphone and can be an insult comic. McCain works better as a high road guy (same for Obama -- that line about McCain not being willing to follow Osama bin Laden to the cave he's hiding in was a similar clunker), and I imagine that's what we'll see from McCain tomorrow.
9.4.2008 1:33am
mac (mail) (www):
Dreadful speech.

She had the cadence of a 10th grade student reciting a rehearsed presentation. Odd pauses and a pitch that at times sounded oddly strained.

She was unable to generate momentum toward the end of the speech, it sort of fizzled ... ran out of gas ... as she gazed through her specs and tried for the appearance of gravitas. Embarrassingly sub-par and full of the right wing claptrap that is guaranteed to drive America further toward unilateralism and greater isolation.

Compared to any speech you care to name at the Democratic convention, this was strictly amateur night.

The idea of this ingenue sitting in the VP's office is really a bad joke. Americans deserve better. Comments on this thread that find greatness in this sub-par effort make you realize how short America is of politicians of genuine stature and how ready some people are to grasp at straws.
9.4.2008 1:34am
Hoosier:
"As a matter of fact, I don't even have a vote in your election. But you're having a good time gloating, so please don't let me get in your way."

As IF!
9.4.2008 1:34am
Yougotit (mail):
You know, peel away all the layers about oil drilling, family, John McCain's time as a P.O.W.

What's underneath is the devastating part. Us conservatives have been pounding Obama for months about his lack of experience, but we never really laid it out in a plain, stark form.

She did that. Is there any doubt now that Obama is an air candidate? The line about him writing two books and not a single piece of legislation. THAT IS DEVASTATING TO OBAMA.

The emperor has no clothes!!!!

I went to message board after message board the second this speech was finished. Conservatives are asking liberals what Obama has accomplished. And you know what? The only answer the conservatives are getting is brutal personal attacks.

Obama and Biden should be afraid. Be very afraid.
9.4.2008 1:35am
SecurityGeek:
The recent national polls have shown McCain solidifying the Republican base and losing independents. I think her speech will strengthen those trends.

I think the new anti-media/anti-Obama/anti-"elites"/anti-Washington tack is going to backfire. McCain was doing well with the experience/steady hand theme and I think they are swimming against historical trends:

1) Small Town Focus. GWB won in 2004 by turning the suburbs red, and I think the "everybody who doesn't live in a small town isn't an American" vibe is damaging there.

2) Running against Washington? Doesn't this play a bit into the Obama camp's ability to point out that, um, Republicans controlled all the branches of government for most of the last 8 years?

3) Culture war. I think McCain's crossover appeal came from his ability to not seem partisan or classless even when twisting the knife. Oops. Bye bye post-partisan voters.

Maybe McCain will pivot back to reform and maverick now that the base is frenzied, but Palin no longer gets to whine about press coverage after coming out so nastily and using her children as political props. The "bulldog" doesn't get to complain about the press.
9.4.2008 1:35am
hey (mail):
Oh noes, mockery and belittling!!!

And SHE DIDN'T WRITE HER OWN SPEECH. ZOMG

Mommy, mommy, Sarah hit me!

"Yes Barry, but you're supposed to be older, more mature, and more responsible than her. Too bad you're not"

In other news, Dexter wants to ask Sarah Palin how to kill so many people in primetime on every channel and yet no one notices. Moose stew is democratic people, man!
9.4.2008 1:35am
Jane (mail):

I can't stand Palin's brand of phony populism


It real. You may not like it, but its real enough.
9.4.2008 1:37am
Hoosier:
mac

"Comments on this thread that find greatness in this sub-par effort make you realize how short America is of politicians of genuine stature and how ready some people are to grasp at straws."

As Orwell advised, keep your metaphors visual, and don't use them if the picture is wrong. Case in point: We ain't "grasping at straws," 'cause we ain't drowning.

Not now no way no how.
9.4.2008 1:38am
neurodoc:
A speech is just a speech, of course.
Right. If a speech were more than a speech, and he hadn't put his foot on a banana peel, then John Edwards might have been the Democratic nominee.

To be sure, first impressions are important, especially with only 60 days for voters to decide. How will she do when not delivering a prepared speech, though? I think she's lucky Tim Russert isn't still around.
9.4.2008 1:40am
Timmay (mail):
"Ah so you admit Obama's entire campaign is predicated on promising all the goodies to everyone. That Palin refuses to play that game is a problem?"

"So the election IS a journey of personal discovery for Obama? Well, at least you admit it."


There is a strategic structure to Obama's campaign, whether you choose to recognize it or not.

It definitely started with vague proclamations of "hope" and such. That worked, getting Obama one of the largest volunteer organizations and an enormous sum of donations. Finally, last week he shifted into actually outlining the specific ways he plans to deliver some of his vague promises.

The polls show that this shift worked as well. He got the typical convention bump even with the atypical VP announcement the day after his speech. If you look deeper into the recent polls, you see an even bigger jump towards Obama on questions like "Is he ready to lead" and "Who is better for the economy?"

What the Republicans need to do the next 2 months is not only tear down Obama, but convince the undecideds to sign on to their platform. I think their biggest mistake is assuming the undecideds will vote for someone, when realistically if they are unhappy with both candidates they won't vote at all.

This convention has been heavy on vitriol and non-issue oriented attacks so far which should be great for fundraising, but isn't likely to convince an unemployed steel worker to sign up for the as of yet undefined Republican plan to rejuvenate America.
9.4.2008 1:40am
mac (mail) (www):
Elect McCain and hockey mom and stay tuned.
9.4.2008 1:41am
Jane (mail):
If it was not before, I think Palin's family is now fair game for a all decent criticism.

You know, Obama talks about his family in his speechs, and brings them on stage with him as well. So can we start trashing his kids now too?
9.4.2008 1:41am
absalom:
The line about him writing two books and not a single piece of legislation. THAT IS DEVASTATING TO OBAMA
Too bad it's flagrantly untrue.
9.4.2008 1:42am
TruthInAdvertising:
"She will resonate with Middle America because she's one of us."

Not us, you. She's a cultural conservative and I've said from day one that her reason for being on the ticket is to connect with and energize that group. She's accomplished that. But the idea that everyone in Middle America (yes, I live there unlike the hacks at the National Review who live in Fairfax or McLean or wherever it is that they lecture us Midwesterners about how we think) are ready to jump onto her bandwagon is off base. There's plenty about her views that's going to scare of the middle of the electorate once they hear more about her ideas and past actions (moderates don't tend to like book banners and creationists).
9.4.2008 1:42am
Hoosier:
"What the Republicans need to do the next 2 months is not only tear down Obama, but convince the undecideds to sign on to their platform. I think their biggest mistake is assuming the undecideds will vote for someone, when realistically if they are unhappy with both candidates they won't vote at all. "

If you're right--and I never try to predict these things--then how has the GOP gone wrong with this convention, or the choice of Palin? If the undecideds will stay home, isn't energizing Republicans the key to victory?
9.4.2008 1:43am
neurodoc:
Americans deserve better. Comments on this thread that find greatness in this sub-par effort make you realize how short America is of politicians of genuine stature and how ready some people are to grasp at straws.
You prefer the authentic Biden, descendant of coal miners, channeling Neil Kinnock?
9.4.2008 1:44am
Hoosier:
mac: "Elect McCain and hockey mom and stay tuned."

WOW!

She even won over mac?!

WHAT A SPEECH!
9.4.2008 1:45am
FlimFlamSam:

The line about him writing two books and not a single piece of legislation. THAT IS DEVASTATING TO OBAMA

Too bad it's flagrantly untrue.


You're right, my understanding is he didn't even write his own books. They were ghostwritten.
9.4.2008 1:47am
DangerMouse:
If it was not before, I think Palin's family is now fair game for a all decent criticism.

And Obama's children are fair game now too, huh? They were on stage also.

The left must really hate kids. I guess it goes in tandem with their love of abortion and infanticide. They can't wait to condemn anyone who's pregnant and having kids as "punished with a baby." It doesn't help you at all that the one blogger pushing this crap the most is a homosexual man who will never know anything about motherhood.
9.4.2008 1:48am
Kazinski:
Truth,
It may well be that Palin connects more with cultural conservatives than with Middle America. But don't dismiss her appeal completely, Chris Matthews made thought she came off very well in her appeal to Middle America, that her pitch was natural and unforced. Chris Matthews isn't exactly unbiased either in his open adoration of Obama.
9.4.2008 1:48am
Suzy (mail):
I can see why those who are already on the far right would find her extremely appealing as a face for their movement. However, she simply did not address crucial issues in a meaningful way. It was merely a string of snide attacks and rah-rah for McCain. I am also disturbed that she appears to be lying outright about the "bridge to nowhere" and her acceptance of "earmarks". I did not come to the speech with a good image of her, and this made it worse. She seemed petty, snide, couldn't give a compelling account of her own qualifications, and had no good ideas to offer.
9.4.2008 1:49am
Hoosier:
TruthInAdvertising:

So you are from here (points to the middle) and your concern with the media is that *National Review*(!) gets us wrong?
Seriously? THAT'S your complaint about the national media? NR gives the wrong picture of us?!!

I just find that so odd. Are you SURE you're really in flyover territory? I mean, Maureen Dowd just called Indiana "the West." So I've lost my sense of geography. Perhaps I'm not the only one?
9.4.2008 1:49am
Estragon (mail) (www):
I look forward to seeing some of the soi disant libertarians round here lining up behind a VP who tried, while she was town Mayor, to get the local library to ban some books. I mean, I can see libertarians liking someone who wanted to ban the Public Library itself, on principle -- but the actual books, not so much.
9.4.2008 1:51am
TLove (mail):
Women got the vote 60 years after african-american men. There is a grievance there, as there is in all grievance politics. And grievance politics are a zero-sum game. McCain appears to be inside d axelrod's ooda loop on the subject of grievance politics.

I think the dems are in for a big surprise in nov. 45% of the electorate is non-african american women, versus 9% or so of the electorate being african-american. the pollsters may find their polls don't capture women voters pulling that lever all alone in that polling booth for the first african-american president or pulling it for the first women vice-president. Tonight went a long way for the latter.

And the behavior of the legacy media is appalling, including ms. couric, who cannot miss how appalling she is being. Do the male members of the legacy media and the dem establishment understand how many women around them got pregnant when they wish they hadn't and then solved the issue in a way they find unhappy? amazing. Perhaps the tin foil hatters can spin that Bristol got preggers as part of the plan (and is there a more embarrassed 17 year old girl on the planet?).

Do the dems not understand what's happening to them?
9.4.2008 1:51am
js5 (mail):
"Sitting around a dining room table, the McCain team has talked to her about Iraq, energy and the economy but has focused on what she should say in her speech, struggling almost as hard as she has to prepare for what will be, along with a debate in October, her main opportunity to shape the way she is viewed by voters. Not anticipating that McCain would choose a woman as his running mate, the speech that was prepared in advance was "very masculine," according to campaign manager Rick Davis, and "we had to start from scratch."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090301176.html


I'm a bit jaded to find out that McCain had the VP speech prepared well before they even knew who the VP was. Palin might have made a great speech, but I'm highly speculative that she wrote anything but small parts to personalize it for her. It's still bothersome that she is simply towing the lifeline McCain has given her. I'm only convinced of two things after her speech: 1. that McCain has decent speech writers. 2. that Palin can animate someone elses words to an impressive level. That said, it's hard to believe Republicans say they are so out of tune with Hollywood.

Ablity to make a good speech or do interviews well simply does not make up for the long list of problematic issues that have been brought up against her.



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After writing the above, I've gone and re-read her statements. Really, she addresses nothing of substance accept that "democrats want to raise taxes" without her saying anything about how she is supportive of lowering taxes. Saying that 'raising taxes' is bad is nothing more than the most sophomoric attmept at trying to illustrate one understands free market capitalism or economics. This of course was not a suprise given that McCain himself has said essentially that he does not understand it as well.

She failed to mention anything about immigration issues and border protection as essential to national security. Also torublesome.

I could list quite a few other problems I found with the content of her speech, but the most important one is that she simply said why the democrats are 'bad' without actually articulating why we should support her or McCain without resorting to the typical, "he's a maverick" and "he's courageous" arguments. Courage is not something a president will ever need to demonstrate. Reason, however, is.

9/10 on delivery, 2/10 on substance. Appealing to emotions is so catastrophically contagious these days...
9.4.2008 1:52am
Timmay (mail):
"If you're right--and I never try to predict these things--then how has the GOP gone wrong with this convention, or the choice of Palin? If the undecideds will stay home, isn't energizing Republicans the key to victory?"

I don't think so, at least not in 2008. The difference between registered Democrats and Republicans has widened significantly since 2004. It's also important to keep in mind that if the election is tomorrow and the undecideds stay home, Obama wins.

This could all be moot if McCain comes out tomorrow and lays out a brilliant platform that he sells to unemployed America. That's what is really missing from this convention. Conservatives are excited and if you stay within the right wing echosphere it might seem like everybody likes Palin. However, that excitement hasn't translated even to moderates and if it doesn't, McCain loses the election.
9.4.2008 1:52am
hawkins:

And Obama's children are fair game now too, huh? They were on stage also.


This article lays out the argument well:

please save "the AP is the liberal MSM" garbage
9.4.2008 1:53am
Mark Rockwell (mail):
Where did this thing about the left's "thug tactics" come from? Is that a Limbaugh thing? Does anyone remember the last 8 years?

On another note, the Republican strategy seems to me to be pretty sharp lately. They reveal the VP pick the day after the Dems convention, to steal some thunder, and then they leak some minor controversy to take the rest. I'm a bit suspicious that anyone connected with the Obama camp actually publicly criticized her family life. I think it all worked out well for McCain.

But a lot of the attacks were unfair and (as usual) represent a skewed perspective of the other side. Things are going to get interesting.
9.4.2008 1:53am
neurodoc:
You know, Obama talks about his family in his speechs, and brings them on stage with him as well. So can we start trashing his kids now too?
I expect Obama's people would be delighted if you did start trashing his two pre-teen girls. Couldn't possibly hurt his chances; would only produce a strong abreaction and garner sympathy for him.
9.4.2008 1:54am
Estragon (mail) (www):
The left must really hate kids. I guess it goes in tandem with their love of abortion and infanticide. They can't wait to condemn anyone who's pregnant and having kids as "punished with a baby." It doesn't help you at all that the one blogger pushing this crap the most is a homosexual man who will never know anything about motherhood.

It's well known that you can't get invited to the best left-wing shindigs unless you have forced someone to have an abortion, or enthusiastically signed up for a few yourself. But fewer people know that Andrew Sullivan sprang fully-formed from his gay dad's forehead, hence his lack of knowledge of motherhood.
9.4.2008 1:55am
OrinKerr:
Ok, folks, it took you about 1:45 before it descended into name-calling that would make grade school kids look mature. Time to cut off the power.
9.4.2008 1:57am
js5 (mail):
reading some of the comments above about how it's not suprising she didn't write the speech, and then mocking those who bring this up, I have to say, if there was anything that is imperative for Palin to do at this point, is to let people know who she is, not what McCain wants people to think she is.

I'm almost of the opinion that she's a puppet for McCain. I'm really looking forward to seeing what she will say in the debates. I'm 'hoping' (fingers crossed) that it will be something more than the typical campaign rhetoric of "evil terrorists this" and "businesses are good".
9.4.2008 1:57am