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Geraldine Ferraro was never like this.

After a middling start of her speech, Sarah Palin hit her stride. Palin's speech so far is MILES better than Biden's — and will probably be better than McCain's.

UPDATE: Wow! What a speech. She lacks Obama's (or Reagan's) eloquence, but she has something that Obama lacks (and Reagan had) — an ability to effectively depict her opponent as a phony without seeming too mean.

2d UPDATE: I flipped quickly from ABC to NBC to CBS and the initial concensus was very positive, though when I switched back to NBC Tom Brokaw was undercutting the "Bridge to Nowhere" point by slightly misstating the facts.

FlimFlamSam:
I didn't think her start was middling, I think she's been spectacular from the get-go.
9.3.2008 11:50pm
Constantin:
She looked pretty nervous at first. Since then, gold. She's good.
9.3.2008 11:54pm
njones (mail):
I'm behind on TiVo, still in the middling part...
9.3.2008 11:54pm
uncledip (mail):
Like Ray Peterson sang ("Sgt Preston"):
" MUSH ALL Y'ALL HUSKIES! Go Sarah
9.3.2008 11:56pm
Dan M.:
I swore that I'd admit they were stupid if they brought up the Bridge to Nowhere again. And she did. That was stupid. I can't believe it. Other than that, I've been pleased with most everything else she's said.
9.3.2008 11:58pm
Prosecutorial Indiscretion:
I agree, she started a little iffy, but once she got to the substance she strapped her ass-kicking boots on and got to work. The section laying out her energy expertise and tying energy to national security and international affairs was terrific, and her material poking at Obama's lack of substance has been pitch-perfect while cutting deep.
9.4.2008 12:01am
Angus:
If you keep pushing the garbage along with the reality, people are going to focus on the garbage. She's focusing a lot on her trouble areas: family concerns, bridge to nowhere, etc. To me, that just brings more attention to them. She needs to play more to her strengths.
9.4.2008 12:02am
Pizza Snob:
It's a keynote speech to rival Obama's from 2004. Too bad she'll probably be tainted by McCain's likely loss.
9.4.2008 12:03am
TruthInAdvertising:
Somehow no one can say "torture". Odd.
9.4.2008 12:05am
EH (mail):
I only listened to some on the radio, but it sounded like she was giggling a lot during the applause breaks. Was it someone else?
9.4.2008 12:05am
Dan M.:
I'm just really disappointed that after being debunked in the press they left that in. Sure, Obama and Biden do it on the campaign trail, but doing it at the convention is just insane.
9.4.2008 12:06am
momentum?:
Sounds like she's nailed it. Started out a little stiff, then got surprisingly good.
9.4.2008 12:08am
Dan M.:
I didn't hear her giggling, but she did eventually start to look a little bit uncomfortable saying "thank you" over and over again and waiting for them to quiet down.
9.4.2008 12:09am
smitty1e:
Ass kicked. Names taken. Condolences sent.
9.4.2008 12:09am
Desperatelytryingtocommentonsullivansblog:
I agree
I think MSNBC has dialed down the sound of the crowd. The crowd SOUNDS louder on C-Span and even CNN. Maybe I am paranoid.

I am curious to see how well she debates the bundle of hairplugs.

Andrew Sullivan's nastiness goes to 11 (read his live blog)
9.4.2008 12:11am
Pizza Snob:
Shouldn't there be some music behind the too-long applause at the end? "I Won't Back Down" would've been perfect during the awkward "waiting for McCain and the family to shuffle up here" portion of the speech.
9.4.2008 12:11am
Stephen M (Ethesis) (mail) (www):
Caught it on my public television station. Anyone know why there was a time lag -- the audio and the visual channels were not in sync. It wa spainful.
9.4.2008 12:14am
Dr. Weevil (mail) (www):
"It wa spainful"? Is that some sort of meta-joke, using out of sync word-end and letter-spacing to illustrate how "the audio and the visual channels were not in sync"?
9.4.2008 12:18am
Rix (mail):
A few observations:

When she learns to fully utilize the teleprompter she will be unstoppable. I see flashes of brilliance and soon she will be brilliant speaking but it's a bit uneven now.

Her speechwriter certainly had fun with this. "The presidency is not a journey of personal exploration." She has the advantage of being able to attack much harder than others- because she is a young, beautiful woman.

She proved she can play inside baseball with the best of them. But I would have added more foreign policy. She needs to prove that.
9.4.2008 12:20am
Allan (mail):
Lest we forget, she is not the Republican nominee for president. Pity. Having her and Obama in a debate would likely be a joy. And it might result in a higher turnout on election day, too. She won't be the vice president, but she seems to be light years ahead of Cheney.
9.4.2008 12:31am
Sarah (mail) (www):
Vice presidents are supposed to solve problems for the top half of the ticket -- Palin did three fourths of what was necessary within about five seconds of being announced as the selection. I can barely stand McCain and I'll probably vote for him; I think I can speak for all the other "protest votes in the Ohio primary" voters in my family (which would be my entire family) when I say that Palin got back at least four votes (votes McCain lost years ago) more or less by breathing. Alas, the poor Constitution and Libertarian Party candidates; I weep for them. Kind of.

Thus, there was no need for foreign policy -- just a solid speech that demonstrates she's a viable candidate on top of being awesome and exactly what the base had given up hoping for. She more than delivered. It's awesome.

(and I can't believe anyone with cable bothered to watch anything other than C-SPAN... but then I also can't stand talking heads interrupting things; MSNBC would be torture even if I was a total liberal. I don't watch any of these events -- conventions, State of the Union, etc. -- on a "news" network.)
9.4.2008 12:32am
Hoosier:
"After a middling start of her speech"

Funny, I thought it started slowly, but then got funny and "real." (Sorry, Long day and I'm out of adjectives.)

What strikes me is that that I was saying to Mrs. Hoosier that that is trajectory of Giuliani's best speeches when he is really "on." Slow start. Funny. Some zingers that you don't expect. And you can forget that he's reading from the teleprompter, since his delivery is natural.

You could do worse as a speaker than being like Rudy at his best.
9.4.2008 12:39am
JorgXMcKie (mail):
On NBC Steve Handelsman just reiterated that charge that McCain did not spend much time vetting Palin as if it were an established fact. So much for objectivity.
9.4.2008 12:39am
hawkins:

After a middling start of her speech, Sarah Palin hit her stride. Palin's speech so far is MILES better than Biden's — and will probably be better than McCain's.


I did not see her speech, so I'll take your word for it. But one question - how can she be "MILES better than Biden" but only "probably" better than McCain?

Biden is a much better public speaker than McCain.
9.4.2008 12:41am
David Schraub (mail) (www):
I think Palin just made former Rep. Connie Morella's mistake. After a few days of vicious press coverage, all she had left was that she seemed like a nice person whom the media was kicking around beyond all reason (the McCain campaign certainly was pressing that meme). Once you've made that bed, though, you have to lay in it. Palin's hard negatives come off particularly bad for someone with her persona -- not only does it accentuate the negativity, but now instead of rallying behind her when she's attacked, it's "she can dish it out, but can she take it?"

Morella survived a long time in my quite liberal district because she was "nice Connie." It's a good gig, but the second she had to go to negative in 2002, it meant she lost the middle.
9.4.2008 12:45am
JohnO (mail):

I did not see her speech, so I'll take your word for it. But one question - how can she be "MILES better than Biden" but only "probably" better than McCain?


I think the point is, McCain hasn't given his speech yet. Hence the "probably."
9.4.2008 12:48am
Orson Buggeigh:
A little stiff and tenuous at the start, but once she hit her stride - WOW!!! Governor Palin was on a roll, no doubt about it. I agree with Professor Lindgren - Obama has an eloquence that she doesn't quite match, but she seems to have a direct, conversational quality that overcomes that. I think she will be a very good campaigner this time, a formidable campaigner in four years. This is one very sharp, able speaker.
9.4.2008 12:52am
James Lindgren (mail):
Yes, on the probably point.

A few days ago, when people were trashing Palin, I predicted that McCain would be on the bottom, Biden and Palin in the middle, and Obama on top.

Now I'd put Obama a definite first. Palin not too far behind, then Biden much farther back, then probably McCain (we'll see).
9.4.2008 12:57am
hawkins:
Thanks for the clarification.

For months I'd been saying I think McCain lucked out with the scheduling, as a good part of the nation will be watching the Skins-Giants game tomorrow night. But now I see the game is scheduled for 7 pm. I assume the NFL moved it up so as to not conflict with the RNC.
9.4.2008 1:05am
James Lindgren (mail):
David:

For someone as smart and savvy as you are, I'm surprised that you think that Palin should be quieter and nicer.

First, Palin doesn't win by being the sweet victim and asking for sympathy. How did Hillary's complaints about sexism play with those who weren't already her supporters? Palin wins by winning (beating the men at their own game).

Second, what you suggest her doing is not Palin at all. Alaska is littered by the bodies of her political opponents. The honest ones she just beats; the corrupt ones she discredits and humiliates. She is by far the toughest politician of the four national candidates.

Her style should appeal to 70s feminists (if only she didn't oppose abortion).

That you can't see that Palin did extremely well suggests that you so vehemently disagreed with what she said that you couldn't appreciate the performance.
9.4.2008 1:07am
Sean O'Hara (mail) (www):
This convention has me excited to vote for the Palin/Giulliani ticket!

Wait, it's not Palin/Giulliani?
9.4.2008 1:14am
dooz (mail):
Like I've been saying, don't mess with Sarah. Obama, you got nothin'!

Every stupid charge they've brought against her, she shoved right back down there throats. If Walsh/May played against a high school team, it couldn't be any more one-sided than Palin returning Obama's serves.

Advice to Obama/Biden: Concede now, before she really hurts you.
9.4.2008 1:21am
David Schraub (mail) (www):
Jim: You're looking at this from too much of a political junkie perspective. What Palin's rep was in AK doesn't matter, because nobody knows it. The side constraints she starts from are the narratives that came out of her national roll-out. Which, I'm sure we all agree, the GOP botched.

The anti-Palin narrative was voluminous: she's unprepared, she's mired in a corruption scandal, she's patronizing to women -- take your pick, there are about 20. The pro-Palin narrative the McCain campaign settled on was that she was a good person taking a bad rap from an unfair press. That's the framework she's operating in for this speech.

So for the average mildly sympathetic voter, the full-bore negativity is perplexing given the background McCain's own campaign laid out.

The problem is one of schizophrenia. If there's something we did learn from Clinton's campaign, it's that you can either try and rally women based on solidarity around mistreatment, or you can try and transcend gender by playing hardball. Both come with risks, but you have to settle on one, because each style undermines the other. And if the advantage of Palin's new style is that it would appeal to one of the most definitively liberal groups in America were it not for the issue they think is absolutely most important, I think the net-negative assessment still holds.
9.4.2008 1:24am
Bandon:
I think she proved herself to be a pit bull with lipstick -- but I hate pit bulls!
9.4.2008 1:26am
David Warner:
I just wonder how many capes she can tug on before she finds some real Supermen. If her and McCain end up in the White House with high approval ratings, K street could be a sheet of molten glass within the year...
9.4.2008 1:28am
David M. Nieporent (www):
Morella survived a long time in my quite liberal district because she was "nice Connie." It's a good gig, but the second she had to go to negative in 2002, it meant she lost the middle.
Er, don't you think you have cause-and-effect backwards here?

She lost the middle, so she went negative, but it wasn't enough.
9.4.2008 1:29am
MartyA:
Her speech was beyond the limits of reason and civility! Sure, Hussein is a Chicago racist crook with no experience or potential but for the chick to emphasize it so even the stupidest Hussein supporter might recognize this fact is too much.
9.4.2008 1:33am
David Warner:
David Shraub,

"So for the average mildly sympathetic voter, the full-bore negativity is perplexing given the background McCain's own campaign laid out."

I think your analysis is exactly right for the demographic you're talking about - the problem is there just aren't many of that demographic out here whose votes are in play.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people already full-bore negative (i.e. wrong trackers) looking for someone to speak to their concerns.

Evidently, Palin has been assigned that detail and may well have pulled it off, at the cost of alienating the demographic you mention.
9.4.2008 1:34am
David Schraub (mail) (www):
Morella's middle was threatened, so she went negative, which backfired because they ran even further. Morella's not dumb, rallying the conservative base in Montgomery County, MD is a great way to fill a Bethesda pub, but not many more people than that.

I think Ezra Klein's analysis is similar to mine: Palin's speech would have been fine if she was Josephine RNC Speaker, but it didn't advance her as a VP. Most importantly, it sacrificed the long-game for the applause (or, more often and tellingly, the boos) of a good attack line.
9.4.2008 1:45am
Libby (mail) (www):
She delivered her lines well but she came across like a PTA president, not the next in line for POTUS. Not even close to Obama's speech(es). I think she looked better in contrast to the 'phone it in' quality of the previous speakers. Rudy was the only one with any fire. Trust me, she didn't win over any Hillary voters with it.

Anybody with her background can memorize a speech. The real question is, how's she going to do without a script? She doesn't look ready for MTP to me. But maybe I'm just more critical because I don't support the ticket.
9.4.2008 1:59am
TruthInAdvertising:
"Second, what you suggest her doing is not Palin at all. Alaska is littered by the bodies of her political opponents. The honest ones she just beats; the corrupt ones she discredits and humiliates. She is by far the toughest politician of the four national candidates."

Wow, Jim's really gone overboard now. Palin's won one major race in Alaska running on an anti-corruption and change platform against one of Alaska's most corrupt politicians. True, she did it against the party establishment but beating a crooked politician isn't exactly a sign of political toughness that you attribute to her. I'm willing to grant you that Palin may be all of the things that you say she is. But you're basing this on what evidence?
9.4.2008 2:02am
Elliot123 (mail):
"So for the average mildly sympathetic voter, the full-bore negativity is perplexing given the background McCain's own campaign laid out."

And many of those voters have for some time had a growing contempt for the media peddling the stories. I suspect the NYT attempt to discredit her because of a pregnant daughter and her husband's 22-year-old DUI actually help her.
9.4.2008 2:18am
David Warner:
"Trust me, she didn't win over any Hillary voters with it."

Not all Hillary voters are PUMAs. In the Scots-Irish back-country swing states, Hillary cleaned Obama's clock, and Palin is following right in her (class-based) footsteps.

The gender issue might be masking the more important one: class.
9.4.2008 2:45am
Dan M.:
I haven't heard anyone complaining about the attacks on her. I have seen complaints about the very clearly sexist attacks on her. I can't wait to see an article about how Barack Obama could handle his little girls while working in the White House.

I think you can attack her on her experience all you want. Just apply the same standard to Obama, or, you know, a higher standard, since he won't have time to learn on the job. But just don't do things like, you know, accuse her of faking a pregnancy. Or criticize her for calling Hillary a whiner when she was simply pointing out how people react to what they perceive as whining (I seem to recall that Hillary in fact was labeled a whiner with regard to the media coverage). Or call her insensitive because she laughs nervously when someone calls a cancer survivor a "bitch" and a "cancer". To get back at Palin for this, this humble and kind and fragile cancer survivor started the rumor that Palin faked her pregnancy to cover for her daughter. Or maybe you could try to blame prenatal care for a fucking genetic disorder.

Seriously, attack her for legitimate reasons. Like stretching the truth about her role in the Bridge to Nowhere. Or take the NYT tack and write an article about how governing Alaska is easier than governing any of the other states. Or whatever. Just bring up good arguments about her that aren't based on quips from anonymous people who claim to be from Wasilla or opponents who make up faked pregnancy rumors about her.

I honestly don't care about her experience. She seems like she's actually a pretty savvy politician if she can go from being "almost recalled" to getting 80% of the vote in her re-election bid and garner an 80% approval rating. All I really care about is that she's pro gun. According to an e-mail sent to David Codrea, she came through on a promise to get the state to cooperate with Class III weapons dealers. I don't think you'd ever see Obama or Biden ever doing a favor for gun dealers even if it was a simple matter of making sure the government was complying with the law.
9.4.2008 3:22am
Shahid Alam (mail):
Re: Connie Morella's 2002 loss

I think, David Schraub, you're misremembering the facts of Morella's loss to Van Hollen that year. The district that she represented, which had been trending Democratic throughout the 90's, had become close to unwinnable to a Republican after the 2000 redistricting which replaced a lot of suburban/ex-urban Republicans in her district with urban (and African-American) democrats.

Van Hollen ran a strictly partisan race in a very partisan district. His line was pretty much this: "She may be nice but she's a Republican, and she may not agree with them, but she helps keep them in leadership."

By the time she went negative, to the extent she did, she had already lost.

I lived in Arlington at the time and remember the race vividly because it was emblematic to me of what had gone wrong with Congressional politics in this country.
9.4.2008 3:55am
Shahid Alam:
On the speech itself: I thought the start of the speech was a bit disjointed, but necessary to cover the personal ground that she needed to cover. Also, it seemed to take her a bit to figure out how to work with the applause so that the applause worked with the speech instead of putting pauses in it. From the perspective, I'd accept the description of "middling".

Once she got going though, I would have to call it one of the most effective political speeches of the last several years. I liked the mix of rhetoric and substance delivered with a folksy style with an ironic edge. I have to say I am looking forward to her upcoming decade(s) in national politics.
9.4.2008 4:13am
RAH (mail):
Connie lost because she was a RINO nad her district changed to solid Democrat. I remember that clearly. I mourned the loss of a Republican but not Connie who usually voted with the Democrats for years.
9.4.2008 4:34am
RAH (mail):
Palin was spectacular; a natural politician and the telepromter malfunctions and she got better after that glitch.She can interact with a crowd better than any one I have seen in years. The new Ronald Reagan has come on the scene tonight.


This was a GOP political convention and she was supposed to rouse the base and skewer Obama.

Plus we are comparinmg the VP of the GOP to the P of the Democrats. Telling isn't it.
9.4.2008 4:38am
Libby (mail) (www):
Not all Hillary voters are PUMAs. In the Scots-Irish back-country swing states, Hillary cleaned Obama's clock, and Palin is following right in her (class-based) footsteps.

Those voters aren't in play. They were never going to vote for a black man. But even in that demo I wouldn't be surprised if some of the younger women might swing to Obama because of Palin's extreme anti-choice position. Not they would ever admit it in public.

In any event, she's surely not going to swing any feminists and I think even as they energize the fundie base, they're also scaring the few remaining disgruntled Hillaryites who didn't go PUMA crazy into getting out to vote for Obama, where they might have just sat it out otherwise.

Same for independents who don't like either candidate. Just my opinion. I'll be interested to see how it plays out once Palin gets more exposure.
9.4.2008 5:08am
Libby (mail) (www):
I might also add that anecdotal evidence suggests Obama is making some big headway with senior citizens. But my sample is too small to really predict a trend.
9.4.2008 5:11am
HipposGoBerserk (mail):
I haven't bothered with the other comments, but I find the first update pretty funny.

Palin had already cost McCain my vote, but the anger in the Hall tonight might have done so anyway. I think she seemed small, because she was pretty flat and because she had no substance in her speech beyond praising small towns, fearing new taxes and pretending being the mayor of 6000 souls is more experience than Obama has. There's an argument to be made here, that's not it.

I'm confused by why the GOP seems so angry still. They've won almost every presidential election during my life, control the SC, made huge inroads into the Great Society - with all this success, what are they mad about?

HGB
9.4.2008 7:10am
rarango (mail):
What RAH said: this is an obama mccain race except that the dems decided to make Palin the issue. Now Obama will be facing Palin, and when Obama is untethered from his teleprompter its nothing but ums and ahs. The Dems underestimated their opponent and they made the fundamental mistake of getting between a mama bear and her cubs--Bad tactical move by the dems. Palin is not going to resign from this race, she performed admirably under considerable pressure and is going to eat Joe Biden alive. When the best criticism that Obama can come up with is that a bush speech writer wrote her speech, that speaks volumes. Wait till this union member gets on the stump in Ohio, PA and WV.
9.4.2008 7:29am
David Warner:
Libby,

"They were never going to vote for a black man."

And you were never going to consider a Scots-Irish hick a human being.

Never is a long time.
9.4.2008 7:55am
Big E:
Please send me some of the delusion juice most of you have been drinking. Palin did fine, not great but fine. However, she did nothing to appeal to moderates, this was all red meat for the base who were going to hold their nose and vote for McCain anyway.
9.4.2008 8:44am
Justin (mail):
"an ability to effectively depict her opponent as a phony without seeming too mean."

No. She gave a good speech, but she *did* come across as mean. Her attacks were mocking and smug, not at all like Reagan, who called you friend as he cut you down.

" Tom Brokaw was undercutting the "Bridge to Nowhere" point by slightly misstating the facts." pointing out that Palin was lying."

Fixed your post.
9.4.2008 9:01am
Tennwriter (mail):
McCain's job is to appeal to the moderates. Sarah's job is to appeal to the base and to the reasonably angry Hillaryites.

I've seen this notion that Palin is suppose to appeal to the mods a few times already. It seems like its a liberal talking point to try to convince Palin to be less than she is.

And I assure you, women are able to process the complicated two-part notion of 1)His friends were big-time jerks. 2)I very sweetly and with a smile knocked his block off which he deserved.
9.4.2008 9:27am
Anderson (mail):
The VC needs a resident female blogger.

The crushes on Palin are becoming silly.
9.4.2008 9:43am
Happyshooter:
This morning NBC and CNN were using Biden to cut down Sarah's speech.

I started laughing and my wife gets this 'waah?' face.

I remind her why old Plager-Joe wasn't president back in 88, and she got the joke.

Neither network had an ounce of shame, though.
9.4.2008 9:44am
Hoosier:
"The crushes on Palin are becoming silly."

New defintition of "silly"?: adj., Heterosexual, male, and alive.
9.4.2008 9:47am
The Ace (mail):
Trust me, she didn't win over any Hillary voters with it

Um, no, I won't trust you.
9.4.2008 10:16am
The Ace (mail):
By the way, the teleprompter operator mistakenly rolled through the applause lines throughout the speech and she still delivered.

If anyone thinks Obama could do that, they are lying to themselves.
9.4.2008 10:21am
hawkins:

This morning NBC and CNN were using Biden to cut down Sarah's speech.

I started laughing and my wife gets this 'waah?' face.

I remind her why old Plager-Joe wasn't president back in 88, and she got the joke.

Neither network had an ounce of shame, though.


Can you please explain. How were they using Biden to "cut down" Palin's speech? It would seem normal to seek Biden's response. Doesnt seem shameful to me at all.
9.4.2008 10:27am
The Ace (mail):
Good times,


Credit where it's due [Mark Steyn]

I would like to thank the US media for doing such a grand job this last week of lowering expectations by portraying Governor Palin - whoops, I mean Hick-Burg Mayor Palin - as a hillbilly know-nothing permapregnant ditz, half of whose 27 kids are the spawn of a stump-toothed uncle who hasn't worked since he was an extra in Deliverance.

How's that narrative holding up, geniuses? Almost as good as your "devoted husband John Edwards" routine?


Even better:


Sarah Palin found some unlikely allies Wednesday as leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed the Republican charge that John McCain's running mate has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats.
...
There's no way those questions would be asked of a male candidate," said Howard Wolfson a former top strategist for Clinton's presidential campaign.



As always, the left overplayed their hand.
9.4.2008 10:33am
Happyshooter:
Can you please explain. How were they using Biden to "cut down" Palin's speech? It would seem normal to seek Biden's response. Doesnt seem shameful to me at all.

Yes, of course your side is right. Sen Biden only provided reasonable comments on her speech and positions. In fact, the whole thing was objective.

It is entirely proper to allow Sen Biden to deliver comments on her speech and treat them like they came from the coverage team. It was just because she is so evil and her daughter is so pregnant that his comments trended into the non-approval zone.
9.4.2008 10:33am
hawkins:

Yes, of course your side is right. Sen Biden only provided reasonable comments on her speech and positions. In fact, the whole thing was objective.

It is entirely proper to allow Sen Biden to deliver comments on her speech and treat them like they came from the coverage team. It was just because she is so evil and her daughter is so pregnant that his comments trended into the non-approval zone.


That was a question. I did not see the interview with Biden. But I dont find anything unusual in allowing a politician to respond to an opponent's speech. How did the media treat Biden's comments "like they came from the coverage team?"
9.4.2008 10:43am
Hovsep Joseph (mail) (www):
Tom Brokaw was undercutting the "Bridge to Nowhere" point by slightly misstating the facts.

Much as Sarah Palin has slightly misstating the facts.
9.4.2008 11:00am
Jimney Pop (mail):
You are all idiots (except Hovsep).
9.4.2008 11:07am
Happyshooter:
Sorry, I got snarky because I misread your comment. My fault.

Biden wasn't president because back in the 80s he copied British speechs instead of having his writers revise them.

This morning CNBC and CNN both had Biden on in the middle of their coverage team switches, and allowed him to ramble about what a lightweight she was-- just like he was one of their own team. They didn't even softball him, they just threw it over to him to hit the talking points.
9.4.2008 11:28am
The Ace (mail):
Way to go leftists!


Last night's polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin's campaign rather than help. Republicans and unaffiliated voters strongly believe that a double standard is being applied to Palin because she is a woman. Democrats disagree. Perhaps most stunning is that, among unaffiliated voters, just 42% believe Obama has better experience than Palin to be President.


That's going to leave a mark.
9.4.2008 11:39am
Anderson (mail):
I did not see the interview with Biden. But I dont find anything unusual in allowing a politician to respond to an opponent's speech.

But that implies multiple viewpoints. Which is a no-no.

The Republicans are right. No further discussion is necessary, or indeed, permitted.

The most amazing line of the campaign thus far came from McCain's people after Campbell Brown called 'em on the "commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard" nonsense.

Really, people, think about this:

After a relentless refusal by certain on-air reporters to come to terms with John McCain's selection of Alaska's sitting governor as our party's nominee for vice president, we decided John McCain's time would be better served elsewhere.

That's what journalists are supposed to do?

FoxNews has spoiled these people -- they think the news is supposed to just be free advertising.
9.4.2008 12:04pm
Libby (mail) (www):
"They were never going to vote for a black man."

And you were never going to consider a Scots-Irish hick a human being.

Never is a long time.


Point taken. That was sloppy prose. Chalk it up to the late hour. Way past my bedtime. So let me rephrase, it's highly unlikely that demo will vote for Barack and it's impolitic to say so, but it's because he's black and racism is not dead.

And for the record, I consider every member of our species to be a human being worthy of respect, whether or not they agree with my politics. Which is more than I can say for the GOP's behavior last night. But I assume you were making a rhetorical point and not presuming to judge my mindset.
9.4.2008 12:48pm
The Ace (mail):
Here is what that valuable Congressional "experience" gets you:

Is al Qaeda a Sunni organization, or Shi'ite?

The question proved nettlesome for Rep. Silvestre Reyes of Texas, incoming Democratic chairman of the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

"Predominantly -- probably Shi'ite," he said in a recent interview with Congressional Quarterly, a periodical that covers political and legislative issues in Congress.

Unfortunately for Reyes, the al Qaeda network led by Osama bin Laden is comprehensively Sunni and subscribes to a form of Sunni Islam known for not tolerating theological deviation.

In fact, U.S. officials blame al Qaeda's former leader in Iraq, the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi, for the surge in sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shi'ites.

But Reyes' problems in the interview didn't end with al Qaeda.


Now go ahead and tell me Joe Biden, who has changed his position on Iraq 180 degrees, is a "foreign policy expert."
9.4.2008 1:05pm
The Ace (mail):
after Campbell Brown called 'em on the "commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard" nonsense.

Um, how is it "nonsense" that as Governor she maintains control over the AKNG?

Don't worry, I'm sure you have some incoherent, and snarky answer...
9.4.2008 1:06pm
TruthInAdvertising:
"Um, how is it "nonsense" that as Governor she maintains control over the AKNG? "

It's the spin that her position as head of the National Guard gives her "military experience". Was the same true of Bill Clinton then? It's been pointed out in a number of places that when the Guard is activated for military service, the Governor has ZERO responsibilities for oversight.
9.4.2008 1:50pm
Happyshooter:
It's been pointed out in a number of places that when the Guard is activated for military service, the Governor has ZERO responsibilities for oversight.

Federal service, yes. In state service the governor is the commander in chief acting through the AG.

Does anyone know if the 297th Infantry is under her command or Bush's when they scout for Russian landings?
9.4.2008 2:26pm
andrejsv:
I was reading all the posts until i got to the one mentining her 'mired in a corruption scandal' and got to upset I came to the end to post. A corruption scandal indeed, a police corruption scandal, a wall of silence that 'police brotherhood' that hides and shields back cops from recriomination and punishment. In my view this has to stop, cops are not above the law and she was right to ask the question 'Why has this trooper not been fired yet?' And the one that got fired, a member of her administration, was liable to get fired, at any time, for any reason, as he was working for her (and even then she offered him another appoinment which he refused before she fired him). So what scandal are you talking about? The one about an arrogant, dangerous, abusive cop with 4 ex-wives that made deaths treats to Palin's father and ONLY gto a 5 day suspension on account of it? That one? Yes, I think it is an appalling corruption scandal, but not in the way you think about it.
9.4.2008 2:46pm
The Ace (mail):
It's the spin that her position as head of the National Guard gives her "military experience"

When has she said this?
What "military experience" does Obama or Biden have?
How is "military experience" relevant to being VP?

Other fun facts:

The governor commands AKNG while it is not in active federal service. The principal executive officer of DMVA, the adjutant general, is an appointee of the governor. The Army National Guard component and the Air National Guard components are each commanded by an assistant adjutant general appointed by the adjutant general with the concurrence of the governor.


And,

Soldiers of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion defend America from an intercontinental ballistic missile threat 24 hours a day, seven days a week, while maintaining competency in all warrior tasks.


But go ahead and belittle her, as an Obama supporter you're simply creating a caricature of yourself.
9.4.2008 2:47pm
TruthInAdvertising:
"When has she said this?"

McCain himself.

Name one time when Palin has taken command of the AKNG? There's an answer to the question even if McCain's own spokesman didn't know it.

Ace - I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about Bill Clinton.
9.4.2008 2:59pm
The Ace (mail):
McCain himself

I'm sorry, but that isn't good enough.
A link to an actual news source would be nice.

Ace - I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about Bill Clinton

What is the question?
9.4.2008 3:07pm
The Ace (mail):
Ace - I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about Bill Clinton

When has she said this?
What "military experience" does Obama or Biden have?
How is "military experience" relevant to being VP?
9.4.2008 3:08pm
BaxterJ (mail):
I hope that people will focus more on the content of what Palin said, and not the delivery/appearance -- so far in the media, that hasn't really been the case.
9.4.2008 3:10pm
The Ace (mail):
Name one time when Palin has taken command of the AKNG?

Huh?


The governor commands AKNG while it is not in active federal service.



You don't read real well.
9.4.2008 3:11pm
The Ace (mail):
Ace - I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about Bill Clinton



Whatever,


Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.


Or is the bolded part too nuanced for you?

By the way, you may also want to read this:

Our vision statement, "Securing the State, Defending the Nation" is a vision of keeping Alaska and the United States a safe place to live. It sets the tone for how
we conduct our day-to-day affairs, falls in line with Governor Palin's priorities, and recognizes the unique missions and contributions of each of the DMVA's components.
9.4.2008 3:21pm
Anderson (mail):
Andrew Sullivan on my point above:

This is still a democracy. The people, including the press, do not owe leaders deference. They owe the people deference - and a willingness to provide any relevant facts the press asks for promptly.

As for Teh Ace, man, you make it all too easy:

Ace: Um, how is it "nonsense" that as Governor she maintains control over the AKNG?

What Campbell Brown asked was any example of a CINC *decision* that Palin had made. If her CINC prowess is a qualification, then let's hear about it, is the idea.

McCain's flack was caught like a deer in the headlights.

Here's why:

"Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?" CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Just one?"

Bounds couldn't, because Palin has never personally ordered the state guard to do anything.


At most, she's approved requests that were brought to her, like permission to send a C-17 plane to Louisiana for Hurricane Gustav. And Bounds couldn't even come up with *that*.

But if you're being paid per comment, Ace, then no harm done.
9.4.2008 4:10pm
Anderson (mail):
I hope that people will focus more on the content of what Palin said

In that spirit, I'll pass along a question from Mark Kleiman's blog:

Is there anything in Palin's speech last night that George W. Bush would disagree with?

Anything?


Good question.
9.4.2008 4:12pm
SteveW:
But how did the stock market react to Palin's nomination? I remember that the author of this article thought that a drop in the stock market on the day that Obama cinched the nomination meant that Wall Street objected to Obama.
9.4.2008 5:37pm
Hoosier:
Anderson: I saw the Bounds interview on YouTube. I'll debate you in the future on matters of substance, I'm sure, since we disagree about this election. But I'm totally with you on his performance: The fact that he was not ready for that question was just amazing.

Is there anything in Palin's speech last night that George W. Bush would disagree with?

Anything?

Good question.


Disagreeing with Bush is the key to a good speech? How odd. How did people know what to make of Churchill's wartime speeches, given that W was not yet available as a measuring stick?
9.4.2008 6:10pm
TruthInAdvertising:
"The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units."

Units that are on active duty are not under the command or control of the Governor which means she has ZERO say in the activities of that unit.

I'm still waiting for your response to my question as to whether Bill Clinton's time as Governor gave him "military experience" and whether Democrats should have highlighted that position as an example of his foreign policy experience as McCain and his supporters have done?
9.4.2008 6:52pm
Brian K (mail):
Plus we are comparinmg the VP of the GOP to the P of the Democrats. Telling isn't it.

it sure tells you a lot about mccain.
9.4.2008 8:34pm
Dave N (mail):
Anderson,

You are usually better than this. Frankly, after the "Sarah is Really the Grandma" crap on his blog, he lacks the credibility to tell me that today is Thursday.
9.4.2008 8:40pm
Dave N (mail):
"he," of course, being the ever exciteable Andrew Sullivan.
9.4.2008 8:41pm
Michael Drake (mail) (www):
It's no surprise the dittoheads would line up behind whatever bozo McCain picked (yes, even a former mayor of a not-a-big-town and less-than-full-term-governor) and call strikes as homeruns.

But it ain't gonna play with independents. And they're just judging her on her delivery of a prepared speech. Wait till they get a taste of her actual resume...
9.4.2008 10:16pm