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Sarah Palin as a Debater:

If you want to see her in 2006, when she debated Democrat Tony Knowles and Independent Andrew Halcro, see below:

Thanks to PrestoPundit and to my colleague Joe Doherty for the pointer.

TK (mail):
"race is too close to call"- then Palin wins in landslide!
9.3.2008 6:40pm
Crust (mail):
Andrew Halcro still seems to be fighting that election.
9.3.2008 6:49pm
SteveW:
I have read that Palin does not support an abortion rape exception, but she *seemed* to say in this debate that she does support an abortion rape exception. Did I misunderstand?
9.3.2008 6:51pm
Sean O'Hara (mail) (www):
Interesting the way they talk about their Congresscritters, not as politicians who happen to come from their state and occasionally send back some pork, but as an actual delegation that represents them in Washington.
9.3.2008 6:52pm
Fedora guy:
Somehow, does not surprise me that Eugene promotes this semi retarded Catholic Christian RNC fraud. I think McCain would be better off having Kerik.

Oh, there is more. Liar Christie Whitman recommend Palin too. That tells you something.

Seem to me, that RNC strategists using Mike's Election Guide to blow it big time.
9.3.2008 6:53pm
Angus:
Don't really think 48% to 41% qualifies as a "landslide."
9.3.2008 6:58pm
Apodaca:
landslide

I don't think that word means what you think it means. Palin received 48.33% of the vote; her two top rivals received 40.97% and 9.46%.
9.3.2008 6:59pm
Not good.:
I think this might make DB's head explode:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html
9.3.2008 7:07pm
Pon Raul (mail):
"I have read that Palin does not support an abortion rape exception, but she *seemed* to say in this debate that she does support an abortion rape exception. Did I misunderstand?"

I didn't watch the whole thing, but in the part that I did watch, she said that she would "choose life" in the case of rape. She didn't say anything about making abortion illegal even in the case of rape. She just said that she was personally pro life.

Also, odd how that moderator asked her what she would do if her daughter was pregnant. Did he know something?
9.3.2008 7:21pm
Wahoowa:
Well, he didn't necessarily know something then unless he's a prophet (this debate was in 2006), but it is interesting that the question was asked. And LO AND BEHOLD a politician was actually true to her word when that situation presented itself.
9.3.2008 7:35pm
DangerMouse:
And LO AND BEHOLD a politician was actually true to her word when that situation presented itself.

That's why liberals hate her. They hate pro-lifers. Sex is about power to them, not about families, and certainly not about children. All the barren beltway harridans harping on Palin hate her because she's a real woman.
9.3.2008 7:37pm
AKD:
Yes Pon Raul, Alaskans have very long gestation periods.
9.3.2008 7:38pm
Spitzer:
Did they really have more than 20 debates? I must have misheard.
9.3.2008 7:45pm
Sua Tremendita (mail):
Fotunately, she has submitted to vetting by Professor Bernstein's favorite organization for peace.
9.3.2008 7:47pm
Smokey:
DangerMouse is exactly right. Look at what 0bama thinks about babies [19 second clip].

They're either an unwanted "punishment," and/or the equivalent of an STD. Can't you just feel the love and compassion? [/s]

Whenever I hear 0bama talk off the cuff, I feel like I want to take another shower. Such a nasty vermin. *Yeech!*

Scary thing is... Biden's worse.
9.3.2008 7:50pm
TK (mail):
I'm a Palin supporter, but now that I've watched the whole debate, I'm amazed at how Alaska-specific the topics are.

Most states don't have anywhere near the same agenda- oil and gas, game management, rights of native peoples, totally undeveloped villages, etc.

Palin does real well, but the topics are not very universal. I do believe that seven percent is a landslide in a three way and "close race".
9.3.2008 7:53pm
Anna:
From Beldar's blog:

[Knowles and Halcro] accepted invitations to twenty-five debates and forums in forty-five days [after the primaries and before the general election]. Their strategy was to wear Sarah down and expose her as a political lightweight.

"Knowles and Halcro felt the more they could debate her, the better they'd do," recalled [KTUU-Anchorage news correspondent] Bill McAllister. The Democrats wanted to pin her down on the particulars of public policy. "She deflected all that stuff," McAllister said, "and they were frustrated that she wouldn't participate."
...
Knowles and Halcro jumped on every opportunity to discredit Sarah, chiding her for being a "no show" at some candidate events. In one instance, Sarah declined a forum invitation so that she could attend a send-off for troops being deployed from Fort Richardson to Iraq. [GOP lieutenant governor candidate] Sean Parnell went in Sarah's place. Given three minutes to make a statement, he explained that his running mate had chosen to be with the men and women who were putting their lives on the line in service to their country. She wanted to support their families and trusted that the audience understood the importance of thanking the troops for their sacrifices. Parnell told the audience that Sarah looked forward to future discussions about raising the bar in Alaskan government, and that she hoped she would have an opportunity to serve Alaskans as their governor.

McAllister remembers that Knowles was visibly upset. Sarah's choice to spend time with the troops lifted her above the fray. Whether she intended it that way or not, Sarah had won the debate without even being there.

From everything I've read, it's a mistake to underestimate Sarah Palin.
9.3.2008 7:57pm
Clastrenster:
"barren beltway harridans harping on Palin hate her because she's a real woman."

That's the most lucidly misogynistic phrase I've seen in far too long!
9.3.2008 8:03pm
DangerMouse:
That's the most lucidly misogynistic phrase I've seen in far too long!

It's not misogynistic, the media is "fair game." I can play by those rules too, you know.
9.3.2008 8:20pm
Sarcastro (www):
people, harridans is a perfectly cromulent word!

And calling liberal females "not real women" merely acknowledges the fact that ALL liberals are transplants from the planet Marxia, whether gynoform or androform
9.3.2008 8:24pm
AntonK (mail):
Sarah Palin: A Clear and Present DangerTo the American Left

Even by Noonan’s standards, it’s a dynamite piece.
9.3.2008 8:27pm
mac (mail) (www):
Palin's "a real woman" lol. Do you get out much?
9.3.2008 8:29pm
DangerMouse:
And calling liberal females "not real women" merely acknowledges the fact that ALL liberals are transplants from the planet Marxia, whether gynoform or androform

Actually, I was referring to women in the media, not ALL liberal women.
9.3.2008 8:29pm
Down from the Ivory Tower:
I'm really disturbed by the news that Sarah Palin was a member of a right-wing group which called for the secession of Alaska from the United States.

I thought the secession issue was settled by a little dust-up called the Civil War. This thing is so bizarre I wouldn't be surprised if Palin's secessionist group had ties to some of those conservative militias so common out west.

As President Bush has made clear, if you're not with us, you're against us. And it sounds like Palin was part of group that is clearly against us. Does that make her a terrorist? Just asking.
9.3.2008 8:32pm
DangerMouse:
I'm really disturbed by the news that Sarah Palin was a member of a right-wing group which called for the secession of Alaska from the United States.

You can be satisfied that that information is a complete lie.

Of course, don't doubt that members of the Cult of Obama will continue to lie about it.
9.3.2008 8:34pm
Arkady:

Sarah Palin: A Clear and Present DangerTo the American Left

Even by Noonan’s standards, it’s a dynamite piece.


Gee, I guess you're behind the curve a bit. Go over to TPM and see what La Noonan really thinks of Palin's selection. Looks like the Angry Left's got nothin' on the Angry Right.
9.3.2008 8:39pm
TCO:
She does fine on the debate. Bla bla bla.

Now on to jousting with my fellow commenters. I LOVE her. Love that she disturbs you. HAHAHAHA. I feel like Cartman feeding your parents to you in Chile, and thinking licking up your tears.
9.3.2008 8:45pm
Mac (mail):

Palin's "a real woman" lol. Do you get out much?



"barren beltway harridans harping on Palin hate her because she's a real woman."


Somehow, does not surprise me that Eugene promotes this semi retarded Catholic Christian RNC fraud.


Whenever I hear 0bama talk off the cuff, I feel like I want to take another shower. Such a nasty vermin. *Yeech!*


OK. The score is tied at 2 to 2. Can we please call it a draw and get out of the gutter?

DangerMouse doesn't count as his is funny and clever and can only offend Marxians and they don't count. (I hope.)

I shouldn't be surprised, but I was at the number of questions about life, pregnancy etc. I guess it was a "just in case missed the fact that Palen is pro life" moment in journalism. I imagine we can expect a lot more of the same when she debates Biden.
Thank you Prof. Volokh. I enjoyed listening to the entire debate.
9.3.2008 8:45pm
DangerMouse:
Gee, I guess you're behind the curve a bit. Go over to TPM and see what La Noonan really thinks of Palin's selection. Looks like the Angry Left's got nothin' on the Angry Right.

I don't think Noonan's being inconsistent, as she said that the pick was a Hail Mary pass. Nevertheless, Noonan's right about why the left feels like they have to destroy Palin. It's not only her who's saying these things:


The visceral, palpable fear and hatred of her was (mark this) instantaneous and took place *before* the Left that is desperately trying to trash her and her family actually knew anything about her. It's a pre-rational thing. Indeed, what drives the search for dirt is the pre-rational decision that she must be destroyed, no matter what the cost. And so we get the astounding spectacle of feminists demanding she abandon career for family and forget shattering the glass ceiling, of the Party of Compassion ritually slaughtering a 17 year old, of the Party of the Little Guy laughing at Jefferson Smith and his hicks up on the woods. Most of all, we see the deep, deep hatred of children that fills up the empty core where the heart of the Democrat party used to be. When the chips are down, Herod behaves as he always has when his shot at power is threatened. And so we get the appalling suggestion that "truly responsible" people would have just had Trig Palin killed for failing to measure up to Master Race specs and Bristol Palin delivered to the tender mercies of an abortuary.

To his great credit, Obama himself has told his rabid self-appointed neo-Puritan Inquisitors, "My mother had me when she was eighteen…" He's a smart enough pol to know that ritually sacrificing a girl to him is not right and will not win votes for him. But the latter-day Jephthahs are about as smart as the original Jephthah. In their worship of Obama, they are prepared to offer him human sacrifices that he himself never commanded. And in so doing, they show forth the ugliest and most inhuman face of the Left...
9.3.2008 8:45pm
TCO:
[Pointless vulgarity deleted. -EV]
9.3.2008 8:46pm
Mac (mail):
Also, I think Biden will have his hands full with her if you can get journalists to ask any questions not related to sex.
9.3.2008 8:47pm
Arkady:

I don't think Noonan's being inconsistent, as she said that the pick was a Hail Mary pass.


Yeah, "Hail Mary Pass" sounds a lot better than this:


CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --
9.3.2008 8:49pm
Sarcastro (www):
TCO having one's feeling dictated by the actions of the opposition is a rout down which lies badness fun.
9.3.2008 8:49pm
Down from the Ivory Tower:
Well, here are the facts. Palin admits attending the 2000 convention of the secessionist group. Although she denies attending the 1994 convention, the leader of the group (a Palin supporter) and others who attended insist that she was there. And, of course, she filmed an effusive welcome message for their 2008 gathering, exhorting them to "keep up the good work." (!)

Now, you can try and say she was only doing this in some official capacity -- except she was a nobody in 1994. Furthermore, what business does any elected official have lending credibility to an organization openly hostile to the U.S. Constitution and our country?
9.3.2008 8:52pm
JimF (mail):
Gov. Palin is not a member of the AIP, however her husband was until she ran for Governor.From http://mudflats.wordpress.com
The other important thing to note is that Sarah Palin did deliver the opening address at the 2008 Alaska Independence Party convention saying that the Alaska Independence Party “plays an important role in state politics” and that she “shares [the party's] vision of upholding the Alaska constitution”, with the implication that she supports ‘the vote’, and wishes them luck on a successful convention. She was present, and encouraging and supportive.
9.3.2008 8:53pm
DangerMouse:
Down,

Get a clue, that group is not a secessionist group. It's an Alaska first group with some cranks in it who want to secede, like liberals are known to say after losing to Republicans after 2000 and 2004. Remember "Jesusland" images? That was a liberal fantasy of secession.

If you look at their website, they're not hostile to the Constitution because they speak highly of it.

You need to get new talking points from your Cult leader.
9.3.2008 8:55pm
Mac (mail):
Speaking of qualifications, Arkady, this is from the NY Times in 1984:
Wednesday, September 03, 2008

From Ferraro to Palin: My, How The Times Change   [Andy McCarthy]
The New York Times, that is
.
At TheCatholicThing.org, George Marlin unearths the Gray Lady's editorial from July 3, 1984, gushing over Geraldine Ferraro's nomination and the welcome prospects it presented that little known women would be selected to serve as Vice President despite arguable inexperience and given the opportunity to grow in office.  Here are the highlights:


Where is it written that only senators are qualified to become President?... Or where is it written that mere representatives aren’t qualified, like Geraldine Ferraro of Queens?... Where is it written that governors and mayors, like Dianne Feinstein of San Francisco, are too local, too provincial?... Presidential candidates have always chosen their running mates for reasons of practical demography, not idealized democracy…. What a splendid system, we say to ourselves, that takes little-known men, tests them in high office and permits them to grow into statesmen.... Why shouldn’t a little-known woman have the same opportunity to grow?... [T]he indispensable credential for a Woman Who [sic] is the same as for a Man Who [sic] – one who helps the ticket.

Liberal bias, ya think? Just, maybe?
9.3.2008 9:00pm
Arkady:
Well, Mac, golly, why don't you send that to Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy, since they're the ones expressing the dissatisfaction. (BTW, do you believe that Noonan and Murphy are liberals? If so, then Dude, Dude, you gotta get out more.)
9.3.2008 9:05pm
Mac (mail):
I really don't care what Noonan thinks or Mike Murphy. They are entitled to their opinion and I to mine. Republicans don't have to speak and think in sync like some. I note, as usual that you ignore the argument and just throw dirt. Very intelligent.
9.3.2008 9:11pm
AIP information:
Ummm... I'm pretty sure that the AIP is in fact a secessionist party. You can read about it here: http://www.akip.org/.

And you can watch Palin here introduce the AIP convention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Also, there seem to be pre-VP nod confirmation that she was an AIP member (at 1:45): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46_ZVzBf9U (As an aside, the lead-in to this video is quite interesting).
9.3.2008 9:13pm
Arkady:

I note, as usual that you ignore the argument and just throw dirt. Very intelligent.


I don't know about the "as usual" part, but where the is the argument? And if there is one, why is it with me? I simply reported what some prominent Republicans said in an unguarded moment and, then, in response to your post, suggested you direct your ire at them. As for dirt, perhaps I misunderstood what your tag about liberal bias meant. I took to mean the Noonan and Murphy were displaying liberal bias. But now that I reread it, just what the devil did you mean?
9.3.2008 9:21pm
CJS (mail):
Down from the Ivory Tower,

I suggest reviewing this blog post on Palin, which has some interesting background info on Alaska politics and third parties:

http://radio.weblogs.com/0134204/2008/08/29.html#a309
9.3.2008 9:31pm
Dave N (mail):
Might be interested in Peggy Noonan's own account. Not as much fun as parroting talking points, I know but perhaps a better indication of what she saud abd what she meant.
9.3.2008 9:32pm
Mac (mail):
Arkady,

Please read my post above re what the NY Times had to say in 1984 about Ferraro. Compare that to what they are saying about Palin. That is Liberal bias. I also just heard Sally Quinn of the Washington Post say that Palin should stay home with her baby. Sally Quinn for pete's sake. My head is spinning.

However, there was a Minn. Congresswoman Michele Bachman, a Republican, who has 5 kids and has some portion of 23 foster kids at home. She seemed to think it could be done just fine and Palin could do the job and be a mother quite well.

I, for one, am afraid to look outside. I fear I will find that the sun has switched places with the moon and the stars have left the sky.
9.3.2008 9:40pm
Hoosier:
Somehow, does not surprise me that Eugene promotes this semi retarded Catholic Christian RNC fraud.

As a semi-retarded Catholic, I resent that.

As someone who cares about language, I resent the pleonasm "Catholic Christian."

As a man who despises the use of the phrase "as an X, I resent Y," I resent this post.

And the NEXT ONE.
9.3.2008 9:44pm
Arkady:
But Dave, didn't she just apologize for using the barnyard epithet? I don't see a disavowal of the substance of what she said, epithet aside.
9.3.2008 9:45pm
Mac (mail):
Hoosier,

At least he's counting Catholics as Christians. Maybe we should take what we can get.
9.3.2008 9:46pm
Hoosier:
-- except she was a nobody in 1994.

Hey! Now that's STINKIN' THINKIN'. EVERYBODY is SOMEBODY. And somebody special too.

Just like YOU!
9.3.2008 9:46pm
Hoosier:
Mac--Ah, who cares about what he acknowledges. St. Peter will have a nice chat with those who deny it.
9.3.2008 9:47pm
Arkady:
Okay Mac. But the Times wasn't what I posted about. And I'm not sure what the NYTimes has to say bears on what Noonan and Murphy said.
9.3.2008 9:49pm
Mac (mail):
Amen, Brother Hoosier. Amen.
9.3.2008 9:51pm
CJS (mail):
Arkady,

Here are the relevant excerpts from Noonan's later comments on Noonan's "open mike" conversation [using truncated sections instead of the whole thing so this can be fair use on the point]:

'...In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. ... That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

...The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? ... The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between."
9.3.2008 9:59pm
Sean O'Hara (mail) (www):
If you read the AKIP platform, there's nothing secessionist in it -- their goals are pretty standard libertarian/conservative policies that most Volokh readers would support, with the possible exception of their views on the Alaskan Permanent Fund.

http://www.akip.org/platform.html
9.3.2008 10:02pm
Mac (mail):
Alright, Arkady. We are clearly in a parallel universe. You want to talk about Noonan. It seems to me that we have covered that. She is entitled to her opinion. OK? I disagree with her. What more is there to say? The last time I checked, and Hoosier can tell me if I am wrong, only the Pope is infallible. Noonan is not.
I am talking about Liberal bias and the truly remarkable about face the heretofore radical liberal women have made regarding women in the work place. It now appears that a woman's place is in the home. Even if that makes total sense to you, I'm confused.
9.3.2008 10:02pm
Arkady:
CJS, exactly. The last paragraph you cite is the one I was thinking of in my post to DaveN.


[I]t is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? ... The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet.


She doesn't disavow the subtance of what she said on the open mic. Let me repost that:


CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --


Nothing in the cited graf counts as a rejection of the substance of her outburst--she thinks there are other Republican women more qualified than Sarah Palin for job of vice-president. And I suspect not a little of what lies behind the passion of her outburst is that she's known these women for years and counts them as very close friends of her's. A very human, if impolitic, reaction if you ask me.
9.3.2008 10:11pm
MarkField (mail):

only the Pope is infallible.


No, I am too. I'm just less appreciated.
9.3.2008 10:33pm
Bill Dyer (mail) (www):
Down from the Ivory Tower: She was a city councilman in Wasilla in 1994, and that's where the convention was.

Gov. Palin is extremely charming and engaging. Governors routinely do public relations for the state. Apparently some people in the AIP were as mistaken about her as comedian Craig Ferguson pretended to be when he speculated that she was coming on to him when she extended his Honorary Alaska Citizenship. Note that in the AIP video, she says:

Your party plays an important role in our state's politics. I've always said that competition is so good. And that applies to political parties as well.


Competition. Get it? She's being gracious and unafraid. "Best of luck to you folks." We also call that being "classy," something an increasing number of Democrats seem not to understand.

The text Anna blockquoted above is indeed on my blog, but it's me quoting Kaylene Johnson's biography of Gov. Palin.

In that same post, I also transcribed an excerpt from the debate video embedded above by Prof. Volokh. The debate is quite lengthy (84 minutes) and a lot of it was about issues unique to Alaska, but I found one exchange near the end, when Sarah Palin was invited to pose a question directly to former governor Tony Knowles, particularly interesting.

Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy are both a little too immersed an East Coast/Inside the Beltway mentality. They ought to go vacation somewhere like Alaska. They also don't know Sarah Palin very well yet. There's a phrase in Alaska for people who've underestimated her and expected to roll over her easily: "Roadkill."

Joe Biden ought not be overconfident; she debated more often in that election than he did in his 2007-2008 presidential run, and with rather markedly better results.
9.3.2008 10:37pm
AIP:
Sean - I think you didn't read enough. Their platform is less secessionist than their raison d'etre: http://www.akip.org/history1.html

Also, I don't think that the reason they're asking for a "revote" is so that they can reaffirm statehood.
9.3.2008 10:42pm
Clastrenster:
McCain's decision plunged us into the worst we can possibly be, each and every one of us. I was a supporter until the VP choice (and I think Gov. Palin sounds like a wonderful person but I'd _never_ want her representing me because I'm not an evangelical type, no offense intended). McCain had, for me, a lot of lee-way to screw up (I'm a blog-Cabin-Republican, after all). But he found a way. And, being form Arizona, I can say that I'm not surprised. You can be for him or against him-- but nobody would ever be consistently for him all the time, cause he's a bit insanely erratic. I just really wished he hadn't picked this moment to lose me so totally. Betrayed by his last stand. So it went.
9.3.2008 10:51pm
Guest12345:
I apologize for going completely sideways, but this debate reminded me of something that has been confusing me for a while.

If the argument for pro-choice is that a woman has the right to control her own body, why aren't any of the pro-choice advocates campaigning to allow organ sales?

Sorry again for the off topic nature of the post.
9.3.2008 10:53pm
Ak Mike (mail):
Re Alaska Independence Party - it is a generally conservative group that resents the fact that most of Alaska is owned by the federal government, and that therefore a lot of the state is controlled by bureaucrats living thousands of miles away.

In 1990, Wally Hickel was elected governor on the Alaska Indepdence Party ticket, beating the Democrats and Republicans. Hickel, who had been a former governor and Secretary of the Interior under Nixon, is a lifelong Republican who did not see much of a problem in crossing over to the AIP temporarily.

Joe Vogler, who founded the AIP many years ago, did frequently make secession type noises, but the AIP folks are more like the Sagebrush Rebellion than like the Confederacy.
9.3.2008 10:56pm
Clastrenster:
Nice to see guest thinking back on the 19th century with such nostalgia. Sheesh, I put myself through rehab TWICE donating plasma and optioning my future kiddos!
9.3.2008 11:09pm
Smokey:
Arkady:
[Peggy Noonan]...thinks there are other Republican women more qualified than Sarah Palin for job of vice-president.
See, Arkady, me boy, it's like this: there are lots of Republican women more qualified than either Biden, or 0bama.

Don't ask me to name them, please, I haven't got all day. [Disclaimer: IANARepublican. Independent/Decline to State, 40+ years]
9.3.2008 11:29pm
Smokey:
Ak Mike:

Looks like you scored game, set and match with:
In 1990, Wally Hickel was elected governor on the Alaska Independence Party ticket, beating the Democrats and Republicans.
That puts the AIP tempest in a teapot into perspective. Thanks.
9.3.2008 11:44pm
SATA_Interface:
McCain wanted to rouse the base and somehow grab the Hillary women. Note that none of the Repub talking points are mentioning the Hillary women anymore; it's all about the libs and their brother the MSM hurting on Palin - they are still trying to rope in the Hillary supporters who would somehow have to ignore the whole pro-life thing that Palin is tied to.
9.3.2008 11:55pm
Clastrenster:
This has been the worst night of my life as a McCain lover. I've known over and over how good it feels when he "picks" my issue to suddenly lunge toward, and now I know in such a full way how much it hurts when he lashes back. Gambler to the end. From the dry drunk frying pan to the high flames of gambling we go!
9.4.2008 12:39am