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Palin and Pat Buchanan:

The left blogosphere, and Jewish Democrats, are promoting the idea that Sarah Palin supported Pat Buchanan for President in 2000. Their sole evidence is that Lexis reveals that when Buchanan came to visit her small town in late 1999, she was seen wearing a Buchanan button. When I first read this, it sounded to me more likely that it meant "civic booster mayor of nothing town will wear the campaign button of anyone who is willing to waste their time coming to said nothing town, while that person is speaking in town." And indeed, Lexis also reveals--as I'm sure was readily apparent to the blogger who started the Buchanan meme--that Palin was on Steve Forbes's Alaska leadership committee, and was announced as such only about three weeks after the button incident was reported. [timeline and Palin's position corrected.] How about some basic decency, people?

UPDATE: I guess wearing a Buchanan button, once, when he visited Palin's town is supposed to tell us a lot about Palin's character, and perhaps her feelings about Israel and Jews, but Obama's 20-year intimate history with Rev. Jeremiah Wright is supposed to tell us nothing about Obama. [See Florida Rep. Robert Wexler: "John McCain's decision to select a vice presidential running mate that [sic] endorsed [sic] Pat Buchanan for president in 2000 is a direct affront to all Jewish Americans.]

FURTHER UPDATE: It gets better. Wexler, in February: "It is unfair to attribute Pastor Wright's views to Barack Obama." And Ben Smith reports that Palin wrote a letter to the editor when the button story appeared, making it clear that she wasn't endorsing Buchanan, but just welcoming him to town, like any other candidate.

ONE MORE UPDATE: Pat Buchanan apparently (and self-servingly) claims that Palin and her husband strongly supported him in 1996, and that he met them at a fundraiser. Putting aside the unlikelihood that Buchanan would have such a vivid memory of meeting the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, federal campaign records, accessible online, show that Palin never cut a check to Buchanan (or for that matter, any other politician before 2004), at least not one big enough to be reportable. And it's hard to believe Buchanan would specifically remember a supporter in Alaska who gav e him fifty bucks. Color me skeptical. UPDATE WITHIN AN UPDATE: Ben Smith reports: "I also spoke to Bay Buchanan, Pat's sister, this morning. She also said her only knowledge of Palin's contact with Buchanan was at the event in the '90s, which she described as a fundraiser for Alaska Republican Jerry Ward."

unhyphenatedconservative (mail):
Extremity in the service of the Obsiah is no vice
8.30.2008 11:07pm
Oren:
The button issue is a non-starter but you can't shrug of "Alaska campaign coordinator". If that is true, it's much more relevant.

Why is everyone focusing on the button and not the supposedly active role she played in his 3rd (4th? 5th?) party insurrection against the GOP?
8.30.2008 11:08pm
name:
According to Politico, Pat Buchanan said on Hardball yesterday that she and her husband were "brigadiers" for him in 1996 and that he met them at a fundraiser. Maybe she didn't really support him, but it seems worthwhile to ask her about it.
8.30.2008 11:13pm
TCO:
So what's so bad about Buchanan? I mean he's got more brains and speak the truth than 90% of the nattering nitwits in the Beltway. And he was cool as hell with Ali G. Treated him like a person, unlike all the stick up the ass types.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwEd_tcKBfU

I figure Buchanan is at least my 70% friend, in Reaganite terms.

Heck, I don't agree with the war either. And Palin is steadfast for it. But I still like HOW she's for it. Not the neocon, Bushite, Feith-like refusal to admit we screwed up.
8.30.2008 11:14pm
Ari (mail) (www):
Ben Smith:

[The] case is based on a 1999 AP article, which described her as "sporting a Buchanan button" at a Buchanan visit to the town of which she was mayor.

She promptly responded to the story in a letter to the editor, saying that "the article may have left your readers with the perception that I am endorsing this candidate, as opposed to welcoming his visit to Wasilla. As mayor, I will welcome all the candidates in Wasilla."

[UPDATE: Buchanan himself said tonight on "Hardball" that Palin had been a supporter. Video to come.]

She didn't denounce him, as many members of the Jewish community did at the time for his doubts about America's commitment to Israel and Israel's role in American policy. But she didn't back him, either: She was an official of Steve Forbes' campaign that cycle, also according to the AP.

RNC communications director Danny Diaz shot back at Wexler: "Rep. Robert Wexler's outrageous attack today on Gov. Sarah Palin is the worst kind of politics. Instead of engaging in a discussion on the issues, Wexler's smears and accusations are detestable. If Barack Obama has any intention of engaging in a serious and honorable debate, he will immediately condemn these scare tactics."

Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton, didn't respond to a request to comment on Wexler's attack.

The National Jewish Democratic Council issued a measured statement, saying her hard-line stance on abortion is to the right of most American Jews and questioning her support from the Christian Coalition. The Republican Jewish Coalition (also doing its job) defended her in a statement that makes no reference to Israel.

In reality, Palin's record on Israel, while friendly, is as thin as you'd expect from the first-term governor of Alaska.

RJC spokeswoman Suzanne Kurtz said, however, that based on conversations with Alaska Jews, she's confident Palin is a friend of Israel.

I spoke to two of Palin's Jewish allies in Alaska (of the roughly 6,000 Jews there), both of whom stressed that she'd signed a resolution supporting Israel and Alaska's ties to the Jewish state. (She's pictured above right at the signing.)

The resolution (after the jump) is supportive but unexceptional. Both of the Alaska Jews, rabbi Joseph Greenberg and businessman Terry Gorlick, said she was "conservative" on foreign affairs but that they'd never discussed the details of Israel policy with her.

Gorlick said she had never visited Israel, had promised to visit and recently postponed plans to work on Alaska pipeline issues.

"She's absolutely a friend of the Jewish community in Alaska," he said, adding that she had a "confirmed commitment" to visit Israel.

No word on her views of Michael Chabon's Yiddish Policeman's Union, in which there are more than 6,000 Jews in Alaska. And if any of the other 5,598 want to weigh in, I'd be curious.
8.30.2008 11:16pm
Mike& (mail):
Let the lies begin.
8.30.2008 11:16pm
raven397 (mail):
So all these Jewish Dems are totally OK with Obama's close connections with PLO and Hezbollah supporters??
8.30.2008 11:23pm
iambatman:
Oh, so she was just boosting her town. Well golly, no one needs to take a stand against anti-Semitism when there's PTA meetings to worry about, I guess. I wonder if everyone would be similarly sanguine if Barack "haw-haw he has a Muslim middle name" Obama had ever sported, say a Noam Chomsky sticker.
8.30.2008 11:24pm
Dave N (mail):
Here is the text of a moveon.org e-mail a liberal friend of mine sent me. I have changed nothing except to eliminate anything that might identify my friend:
From: "Ilyse Hogue, MoveOn.org Political Action" moveon-help@list.moveon.org
Date: 30 August 2008 12:11:19 GMT-04:00
To:
Subject: McCain's dangerous choice


Dear MoveOn member,
Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.

Huh?

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:


She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.

We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample:

She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today.—Rose M., Fairbanks, AK

She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK

As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK

Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK

She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK

I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.

In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.

In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.

Thanks for all you do.

--Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team

Sources:


1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http:// www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-3091591 -JGDxRhx&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http:// www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=2


4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=4

6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-3091591-JGDxRhx&t=8

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Several of these claims are patently false of misleading. On almost all of them, I would note the left wing echo chamber as to sourcing.

So as you read the comments, realize what the moveon.org spin on this is and that these are among the talking points.
8.30.2008 11:27pm
TCO:
Pat's not an anti-semite.
8.30.2008 11:30pm
Sasha Volokh (mail) (www):
There are Jews in Alaska?
8.30.2008 11:32pm
Timmy:
"Basic decency" in the final 10 weeks of a presidential election? Please. Surely you've followed politics long enough to realize how futile/ridiculous it is to request "basic decency" from political partisans (on either side) during the post-convention stretch run.
8.30.2008 11:34pm
iambatman:
You can't have it both ways DB. You keep insinuating Obama must have it in for Israel, but then ignore this. Sheer equivocation.
8.30.2008 11:34pm
name:
Sasha clearly hasn't read The Yiddish Policemen's Union.
8.30.2008 11:34pm
DavidBernstein (mail):
I Am: What am I ignoring? She wore a Buchanan button to greet him when he arrived in her one-moose town. She then signed up to work for Steve Forbes, the candidate who was basically the opposite of Buchanan.
8.30.2008 11:37pm
MnZ:
Notice how the Left is calling her an Buchanan supporter in 1990 because a newspaper article says that she was wearing a button. In fact, Democratic politicians such as Bob Wexler are already repeating it as fact. However, a McCain spokesman is denying it.

(sarcasm)
It is a good thing that the Democrats don't stoop to Republican's level.
(/sarcasm)
8.30.2008 11:39pm
Hoosier:
"There are Jews in Alaska?"

Very cold Jews.
8.30.2008 11:41pm
name:
You're ignoring Pat Buchanan himself saying that she supported him in 1996. Are you seriously not curious about that?
8.30.2008 11:45pm
Barry Dauphin (mail) (www):
I wonder if everyone would be similarly sanguine if Barack "haw-haw he has a Muslim middle name" Obama had ever sported, say a Noam Chomsky sticker. It would be nice if he only wore a Noam Chomsky button. that would just reveal him to be cliched. No he just lied about his involvement with someone who tried to blow up the Capital and the Pentagon. But, hey, what's the big deal, right.
8.30.2008 11:45pm
DavidBernstein (mail):
That's a self-serving statement by Buchanan, and I await further evidence. From what I've read, campaign contributions show that she didn't give him a penny, yet he claims to have hung out with her at a fundraising dinner.
8.30.2008 11:46pm
Bruce:
Just 10 more weeks...
8.30.2008 11:49pm
metro1 (mail) (www):
Professor Bernstein:

I understand that Palin was just chosen by McCain, so there will be some focus on her - both positive and negative.

And I understand you are addressing (and essentially knocking-down) a silly Palin-Buchanan tie-in (yawn) that's being asserted by others.

So I guess my thought here is actually addressed to those (you've identified them as the "left blogosphere, and Jewish Democrats") pressing the rather pedestrian story that Palin once met and/or supported Buchanan.

To them I would say that I don't recall this sort of fly-specking for what were (and are) much bigger flies circling around Obama:

Obama launches his political career in the home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers

Obama spends years working closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers

Obama chooses a serial plagiarizer as his VP pick

Obama dumps $110 million in grant money down a rat-hole with nothing to show for it - other than enriching himself and Bill Ayers

Which is worse: meeting and/or supporting Buchanan vs. working for years with the Weather Underground's Bill Ayers - and launching your political career in his home?

Apparently some people strongly dislike Buchanan. This is odd to me - because Buchanan is essentially a boring, long-winded pundit. He's usually trotted-out by the Left and/or MSNBC (ok - redundant) as a token "conservative." This is strange because few actual conservatives identify in any way with Pat Buchanan. But, I suppose, he nicely fits the Left's cartoonish vision of conservatives.

Yet - despite his flaws - surely we can agree that Buchanan's episodes as a windbag pale in comparison to Bill Ayers' episodes of blowing things up and endangering people.

If meeting and/or supporting Pat Buchanan is bad, meeting and supporting - and working closely with Bill Ayers for years - has to be much worse.

* * *

...in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot. The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway. The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970. Built yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.

* * *

In 1970 he [Ayers] "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers girlfriend, Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb that was under construction exploded.

* * *

Via Wikipedia
8.30.2008 11:55pm
EIDE_Interface (mail):
Ah, the smear machine is up and running! I'm just so amused to see the left-wing and paleocons absolutely panicking!
8.30.2008 11:57pm
Hoosier:
"ONE MORE UPDATE: Pat Buchanan apparently (and self-servingly) claims that Palin and her husband strongly supported him in 1996"

It's sounding more unlikely. Her husband isn't a Republican, and he's union. Is that the profile for a strong Buchanan supporter from 1996?
8.30.2008 11:57pm
EIDE_Interface (mail):
Oh, why are Obama's Islamic terrorist connections ok for Democratic Jews? Are they insane supporting a guy named Hussein?
8.30.2008 11:58pm
DavidBernstein (mail):
I hope you're joking about the Hussein bit, EIDE. Why would the fact that he's named after his Kenyan father, who he only met once beyond infancy, matter to anyone sensible?
8.31.2008 12:03am
DavidBernstein (mail):
Alaska Jews call themselves the "Frozen Chosen." I actually have a picture of the synagogue in Fairbanks somewhere.
8.31.2008 12:06am
name:
You're right. More evidence is needed. I hope that at some point soon the campaign will make her available for a press conference, or if that's too risky, for a in-depth interview about her political views.

But I think this kind of thing is a consequence of the fact that she is pretty much a blank slate, that everyone is doing their opposition research in real time, and that -- in this internet age -- it's happening essentially in public.

The McCain campaign really did a terrible job rolling this out. You had surrogates yesterday -- Kay Bailey Hutchison comes to mind -- basically saying that they'd never met her and didn't know anything about her. How hard would it have been to book some western governor or someone who could say "I've worked with her on x, and she's great"? Likewise, they focused almost exclusively on biography and not on policy or issues.
8.31.2008 12:07am
Dave N (mail):
DavidBernstein:

I like "The Frozen Chosen"--though I had heard it use to refer to Presbyterians and other mainline Protestants.

And to paraphrase Dave Barry, "Wouldn't 'The Frozen Chosen' be a great name for a rock band?"
8.31.2008 12:08am
Hoosier:
"Alaska Jews call themselves the "Frozen Chosen." "

Oddly enough, so do Episcopalians.
8.31.2008 12:09am
Dave N (mail):
Hoosier and I were obviously working on similar posts at the same time.
8.31.2008 12:11am
Hoosier:
"
The McCain campaign really did a terrible job rolling this out. "

You're kidding.
8.31.2008 12:11am
AKD:

"There are Jews in Alaska?"

Very cold Jews.



Ah yes, the Frozen Chosen.
8.31.2008 12:12am
iambatman:
"It's sounding more unlikely. Her husband isn't a Republican, and he's union. Is that the profile for a strong Buchanan supporter from 1996?"

Yeah, I don't know how you get from Pat Buchanan to protectionism. [/sarcasm]
8.31.2008 12:18am
Hoosier:
batman--Oil field workers are protectionist? Perhaps they are. But that's news to me.
8.31.2008 12:23am
njones (mail):
When I was a Presybterian I learned that our denomination was supposed to be the "frozen chosen" but, since it was California, I didn't get it...
8.31.2008 12:26am
kmg:
What is the horrible problem with Pat Buchanan? I really don't like a huge number of things about him, but he at least seems to be more consistent and coherent and intelligent than most of the Republican party in power now.

And actually sometimes articulates conservative and libertarian principles. (As opposed to the current neo-cons who seem to think "conservative" means massive federal spending, cronyism, huge expansion of the power of the executive, foreign adventures, and imposition of democracy on unwilling peoples.) I'm by no means conservative, but I at least have some respect for conservative ideas. He still seems conservative, for good or ill, rather than just a cynical opportunist dedicated to enriching his friends.
8.31.2008 12:33am
sbron:

What is the horrible problem with Pat Buchanan?


Let's try this, an excerpt of which is as follows:


Buchanan's long battle with Nazi-hunters is shy of loony but still conspicuous. In 1983 he criticized the U.S. government for expressing regret over its postwar protection of Klaus Barbie. In 1985, he advocated restoring the citizenship of Arthur Rudolph, an ex-Nazi rocket scientist accused of employing slave labor at a V-2 plant. In 1987, he lobbied to stop deportation of Karl Linnas, accused of atrocities in Estonia.


Unfortunately, Buchanan gives those of us who have legitimate concerns about mass immigration without assimilation a bad name. Because Buchanan is an anti-Semite, it is then politically incorrect to complain about the subset of today's immigrants who are themselves highly anti-Semitic.
8.31.2008 12:50am
Angus:
What is the horrible problem with Pat Buchanan?

His views have always been way out there, going back to the 1960s when he oppposed the Civil Rights movement. Much of his talk about African-Americans and other minorities is tinged with racism even today. (He also absurdly says that Hispanics are not of "European descent," despite Spain clearly being in Europe).

Most recently he wrote a book saying that Hitler was misunderstood and was on balance in the 1930s a positive force since he was anti-communist. If England and the U.S. had just given Europe to Hitler, the world would have been better off, but instead England went to war against him and forced Hitler into starting the Holocaust.
8.31.2008 12:55am
Hoosier:
"(He also absurdly says that Hispanics are not of "European descent," despite Spain clearly being in Europe). "

"Europe ends at the Pyrenees." How many times must we go over this?
8.31.2008 1:01am
Cornellian (mail):
(He also absurdly says that Hispanics are not of "European descent," despite Spain clearly being in Europe).

I don't think he disputes that the people of Spain (as opposed to Latin America) are of "European descent."
8.31.2008 1:08am
Richard Nieporent (mail):
So the Jewish Democrats are attempting to treat Jews as if they are a mindless group that can be swayed by an appeal to emotion. How sad. Of course this is the way Democrats have always acted.
8.31.2008 1:10am
David Warner:
The remarkable thing is that Buchanan gave a keynote at the '92 Republican Convention in Houston and is now anathema to all right-thinking people. Country's moved to the right - yeah, that's the ticket!

"There are Jews in Alaska?"

I wouldn't be surprised if Jews were found on Mars. It ain't called the diaspora for nothing. I say the more the better.
8.31.2008 1:15am
metro1 (mail) (www):
The lefty blogosphere wants to roll out something as tired and old as Pat Buchanan?

I love trips down memory lane.

Democrat girly man #1: Dukakis

Democrat girly man #2: Kerry

Democrat girly men #3 &#4: Obama and Biden

Sarah Palin has more cahones than Dukakis, Kerry, Obama and Biden combined

Palin is the genuine article

When do we get the photos of Obama and Biden riding in a tank with their helmets on?

Obama and Biden make even Kerry and Dukakis look tough.
8.31.2008 1:20am
TJIT (mail):
Thread winner:
Alaska Jews call themselves the "Frozen Chosen."
8.31.2008 1:23am
Dan M.:
The funniest thing is the actual news articles which say that she was a mayor only 2 years ago, immediately before becoming governor, totally writing off her run for Lieutenant Governor and her time on Alaska's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. God forbid the news media actually focus on getting their facts straight.
8.31.2008 1:27am
TJIT (mail):
I have to say that (for this day anyway0 the obama supporters have jumped the shark if they are reduced to trying to slime palin using a button she wore.

Additionally, like the experience issue, this has a great potential to boomerang on them.
8.31.2008 1:28am
iambatman:
I don't know how you can associate support for a candidate with wearing that candidate's button. How bizarre, indeed. It's certainly not as if one of our intrepid VC bloggers thought the fact that an Ohio judge (who ruled against that state's method of execution) had posters of Obama and Che Guevara merited comment.
8.31.2008 1:37am
ChrisIowa (mail):

And it's hard to believe Buchanan would specifically remember a supporter in Alaska who gav e him fifty bucks.


Of course Buchanan remembers those supporters who gave him $50. There were so few of them.
8.31.2008 1:42am
Anonymous #000:
It's certainly not as if one of our intrepid VC bloggers thought the fact that an Ohio judge (who ruled against that state's method of execution) had posters of Obama and Che Guevara merited comment.
Don't forget the Obama compaign office in Houston. But that was okay, since it was an unofficial office or something. Also, Che was a nice guy! Only nice guys get to murder people and get their faces on T-shirts, duh.

God forbid the news media actually focus on getting their facts straight.
I like to remind myself that journalism (including reporting of events and chronicling the times with revelant past facts) is only a small subset of news.
8.31.2008 1:53am
quixoticneophyte:
I wasn't in Alaska at this time, but I do know from later conversations that many of the political leaders in the Mat-Su Valley (where Wasilla is) were HUGE Steve Forbes organizers--both for Alaska and for the NW area of the Lower 48. At the time, Palin was on good terms with these political leaders, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that she was actually a Steve Forbes supporter.
8.31.2008 1:55am
mcf:
I'd get that "sole evidence" line out of this post if I were you
8.31.2008 2:03am
DavidBernstein (mail):
Mcf, you have more evidence, other than Buchanan's claim, debunked by his sister/campaign manager? Do tell, because so far you're the only one. (And to the extent you think Buchanan's recollection adds cognizable evidence nevertheless, that's in the updates).
8.31.2008 2:14am
Math_Mage (mail) (www):
So Pat Buchanan alleges that Sarah Palin campaigned for him while on Steve Forbes' staff? He's looking to increase his television time at the expense of Palin's legitimacy. Dog bites man.

Obama and the media shouldn't be able to use this effectively. It doesn't even compare with the Bill Ayers connection. Palin wore the button of an anti-Semite, Obama worked closely with an unrepentant domestic terrorist. Just another one of those traps for the left to fall into.
8.31.2008 2:22am
Cold Warrior:
Maybe I'm a damn fool, but it seems to me that when someone wears the button of a candidate, the wearer supports that candidate. No, it doesn't mean you can't change your mind later. But on that day in that little town in Alaska, Sarah Palin was telling the locals, "I support Pat Buchanan," not "I will gladly put on the button of Ralph Nader or Gus Hall if they see fit to visit my town tomorrow."
8.31.2008 2:45am
MnZ:
Cold Warrior, she reportedly sent a letter to the reporting newspaper saying just that.
8.31.2008 2:52am
Math_Mage (mail) (www):
Ohai, Cold Warrior, good to see you outside of Hot Air and (formerly) CQ!

Did you read under "Further Update" in the original post where Bernstein reports (secondhand) that Palin wrote a letter to the editor specifically rejecting the notion that she supported Buchanan because she was wearing his button? And her presence on the Steve Forbes committee in Alaska casts significant doubt on the idea that the button meant anything more than a welcome.
8.31.2008 2:55am
Math_Mage (mail) (www):
Oops, that should be "her presence on [Forbes' committee] AT THE TIME..."
8.31.2008 2:56am
TGGP (mail) (www):
She plugged Ron Paul in an interview, so she seems alright to me.

I'd grin and bear whatever stupid protectionist measures Pat Buchanan would have put through in the astronomically unlikely event of him becoming President in 2000 in exchange for avoiding the Bush years.

Because Buchanan is an anti-Semite, it is then politically incorrect to complain about the subset of today's immigrants who are themselves highly anti-Semitic.
According to Wikipedia, Buchanan himself made the same complaint in State of Emergency.
8.31.2008 3:10am
mcf:
"(And to the extent you think Buchanan's recollection adds cognizable evidence nevertheless, that's in the updates)."

so you agree the sole evidence was not a LEXIS search showing she wore a Buchanan button, then? correct your post/don't correct your post - up to you.
8.31.2008 3:24am
iambatman:
I think Palin has a greater incentive to lie about this situation than Buchanan. And no, just because you choose to retract your support, perhaps in the face of mounting realization that Pat is not a guy you want to have a paper trail link with, does not mean you never gave it.
8.31.2008 4:01am
Math_Mage (mail) (www):
I think Palin has a greater incentive to lie about this situation than Buchanan. And no, just because you choose to retract your support, perhaps in the face of mounting realization that Pat is not a guy you want to have a paper trail link with, does not mean you never gave it.


Paper trail? That AP article about the button? This is like the Obama lapel pin nonsense, only twelve years old on top of everything else. As for incentives, does Buchanan really need one beyond self-aggrandizement?
8.31.2008 4:27am
A. Zarkov (mail):
Satirical quote of the day:
Dan Quayle, however, struck a discordant note. Reached at his home in Paradise Valley, AZ, the former Vice President declared, "You remember the shit I went through when Bush picked me in '88? I was 'too young' and 'too inexperienced.' Well, compared to this broad, I was Daniel Fucking Webster." Quayle refused further comment, mumbling enigmatically, "It's Miller time."
8.31.2008 4:34am
Darrin Ziliak:
I don't know if Pat Buchanan is lying or not, but he does have a motive beyond self-aggrandizement.
Namely the fact that he's an old-fashioned paleoconservative who hates neocons and the whole idea of exporting democracy at bayonet point.

Remember his trying to torpedo Bush during the Florida recount debacle?

IMHO, his opposition to the neocon hijacking of the Republican Party is one of Pat's few redeeming features.
8.31.2008 4:34am
josh bornstein (mail) (www):
1. iambatman: Good point. One I had thought of myself.

2. It is incredible to read all the anxious posts from those supporting McCain. As a Democrat, I suspect that 99.9% of Obama supporters are like me: On first blush, we don't give a rat's ass about a pin she wore, if she did or did not support Buchanan, or any of the other smears on her that have started. Are they coming from liberals/Dems? Yeah, probably. But I hope that we all realize that most people don't care about these things. I think (ok, optimistically hope) that most of us look at the key issues. What is his/her position on abortion, the environment, national defense, etc., etc., etc.?

3. I don't believe all the above chat about Jewish people in Alaska. I think they all are only a myth. After all [joke follows], one of Alaska's largest cities is Jew-No.

4. I admit that here [in the boonies of Viet Nam] we don't get much news re American politics. But the VP pick is fascinating. We will not really know anything for sure till the election and the subsequent polling. But will any woman change from undecided-leaning-Obama to McCain? Not if they were Clinton supporters (are there any significant issues on which she and Clinton agree, but differ from Obama?). I think it was--for now--a good pick, as it has certainly taken all the conversation away from the Dems great convention. [What will Obama do next week, to take attention away from what will be a similarly successful Rep. convention?]

Okay, enough of my rambling. (Jet-lag is my enemy)
8.31.2008 4:41am
metro1 (mail) (www):
iambatman and josh bornstein:

Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

Palin wore a Buchanan button? Stop the presses.

Meanwhile, put this on the front page too:

Obama's experience launching his political career in the home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers

Obama's experience working with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers

Biden's experience as a serial plagiarizer
8.31.2008 5:09am
Angus:
metro1,
VC is a place for discussion. That is, contributing your own thoughts about things. If all you want to do is link to right-wing partisan pieces, freerepublic.com might be more to your liking.
8.31.2008 7:10am
Anonymous #000:
I had no idea the Washington Post was a right-wing partisan clearing house.
8.31.2008 7:42am
josh bornstein (mail) (www):
Metro1,
I think you missed my point. (Or, I said it poorly, which is equally likely.) If someone is wearing the button of a political candidate, it is a reasonably inference that the wearer is a supporter of said candidate. Or, at least, is not strongly opposed to the candidate's views. (I personally, have never worn a button, put on a bumper sticker, or given money to a candidate or cause I did not generally support. On the other hand, I can totally see any politician wearing a button, so as not to slight the visiting candidate. And that was my main point. I simply don't care whose button Palin was wearing.

I do not check out the left-wing blogs, so I may have an unrealistic view of how reasonable Dems will be re giving Palin a chance. But I think most will keep an open mind. Based on the (very very) little I know so far, I really admire her consistency in her views. For anyone who believe abortion = murder, I cannot understand why they are every willing to carve out exceptions for rape, incest, etc.. She has a morally consistent position, which is something I cannot say for most politicians on both sides of the issue. Will this help her get moderate women? I doubt it, but maybe. Help her get Hillary voters? That is hard to imagine, but then again, I've always gone broke [to "Biden" from HL Mencken] overestimating the intelligence of the American voters.

Here is my prediction: The side that will lose this election is the one who sounds most like Ann Coulter or Michael Moore--in terms of vitriol, not in terms of substance.
8.31.2008 8:52am
Hoosier:
"I wouldn't be surprised if Jews were found on Mars. "

Yeah. It's all part of the Zionist plot to control the Solar System.
8.31.2008 8:52am
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
He also absurdly says that Hispanics are not of "European descent," despite Spain clearly being in Europe
It is questionable whether Spanish are Hispanic. Sometimes they can get away with claiming it, and sometimes they can't. Now their American descendants are a different point. However, most of the Hispanics in this country, and indeed, in this hemisphere, and around the world, whether or not you include Spain, had little if any Spanish blood. They are primarily of Native American stock, which means ultimately Asian, and not European.
8.31.2008 9:15am
mrshl (www):
it might be time to unsubscribe from volokh until after the election.
8.31.2008 11:41am
byomtov (mail):
I hope you're joking about the Hussein bit, EIDE. Why would the fact that he's named after his Kenyan father, who he only met once beyond infancy, matter to anyone sensible?

DB,

I agree with you, but it does seem to matter an awful lot to many of the commenters here.

OTOH, I think that when someone is seen wearing a "Buchanan for President" button it's perfectly sensible to assume she supports Buchanan.
8.31.2008 11:57am
volokh groupie:
@mrshl

good god you must be a sap...i haven't paid a dime during my 'subscription' to volokh

it's funny seeing the right and left spin Palin---so far it looks like she's not very experienced (something that can be said about obama too..but which effectively limits the argument against obama) but that she's been really good fighting corruption (the fact that patronage murkowski and other repubs in alaska are lukewarm on her is a plus in my opinion)

otherwise, lets wait to see her articulate her views/debate/etc and scrap the partisan junk
8.31.2008 12:24pm
Dave N (mail):
byomotov,
I think that when someone is seen wearing a "Buchanan for President" button it's perfectly sensible to assume she supports Buchanan.
And when someone is seen attending a church for 20 years that teaches black liberation theology and has a racist anti-American minister, it's perfectly sensible to assume he supports the church's teachings.
8.31.2008 12:25pm
Dave N (mail):
byomotov,
I think that when someone is seen wearing a "Buchanan for President" button it's perfectly sensible to assume she supports Buchanan.
And when someone has his very first campaign event of his entire political career in the home of an unrepentant terrorist, it is perfecly sensible to assume he supports the terrorist's beliefs.

Boy, this guilt by association thing is fun.
8.31.2008 12:27pm
Hoosier:
Dave N--Well, *I* sure am enjoying it. (Thanks to you.)
8.31.2008 12:37pm
Hoosier:
"It is questionable whether Spanish are Hispanic"

Naw. They're Teutons, like most of those Western European types. (But not me . I'm one of those Celts that the Teutons dispossed. Jerks!)
8.31.2008 12:40pm
Dave N (mail):
I had no idea the Washington Post was a right-wing partisan clearing house.
According to Media Matters, any publication to the right of DailyKos is a right wing partisan clearing house.
8.31.2008 12:47pm
Anonymous #000:
it might be time to unsubscribe from volokh until after the election.
good god you must be a sap...i haven't paid a dime during my 'subscription' to volokh
I assumed he was talking about an RSS feed. And with posts and comments like these, I would tend to agree (but I don't bother with the feeds, personally).
8.31.2008 1:16pm
J Stubbs (mail):
Has anyone else seen this?

"A lot of people don't want you to read this, but I think it's vitally important. In the Bible - Thessalonians - there is the following passage (note that this is in the Slavonic Orthodox version of the Bible, which is not widely available). This is scary and we need to get the Word out. God placed this in the Bible for a reason - He wanted us to know. Please forward this to as many people as possible.



"And so it is written of a man of the Great Western Empire. In his youth he fought valiantly in the battles with the Red Dragon and had been imprisoned in the Dragon's Lair for lo these seven years, where his body was subjected to tortuous ritual and he faced great trials and tribulations. And his once great mind had been warped by the Dragon's Breath and there was great sorrow in the land.



By God's grace the man was set free from captivity and returned to the Great Western Empire and there was much joy and celebration. He rose to power as one of the tribe's Elders of the Mammoth, and in the fullness of time he became their leader, and ultimately the leader of the entirety of the Great Western Empire.



But the Dragon's Breath had remained in the man, and by his deeds as leader there was begat great woe unto the people of the Great Western Empire, and his leadership wrought God's great vengeance upon his people. There were storms of fire from the sky and great lakes bursting and the heavens opened, and the people said unto the Lord God "Woe unto us." And thus it was that during the First Century of the Third Millennium that God cast the Great Western Empire into the Lake of Fire and its tribes were decimated."



Ehud Aronson, a professor at the Institute for Religious Studies in Copenhagen, has identified the following (see "Thessalonians in the Slavonic Bible: A Study", published in the May 2008 issue of "The Bible Machine"):



Great Western Empire = United States
Red Dragon = Communism
"Battles with the Red Dragon" = Vietnam
If the "battles with the Red Dragon" were Vietnam, then the "Dragon's Lair" is Hanoi
The Elders of the Mammoth = a reference to the Republican Party
The "Third Millennium" has been described as the next thousand years, starting with the year 2000


If those scholars are right, this could ONLY point to one man - John McCain. And as we all know McCain was endorsed by Pastor John Hagee, whose main teaching and goal of his ministry is to bring about the final Apocalypse of the World. The Book of Revelation speaks of a Beast and a man who is his minion on earth. Hagee and McCain? DO WE DARE????



PLEASE PASS THIS ON. PEOPLE MUST KNOW AND HEAR THE WORD OF GOD!"
8.31.2008 3:52pm
Dave N (mail):
J Stubbs post is too moronic to worthy further comment.
8.31.2008 4:23pm
byomtov (mail):
Dave N.,

Guilt by association? What are you talking about? The claim is that she supported Buchanan. I find her explanation plausible, but without that I don't see why it was remotely unfair to assume that someone who wears a "Buchanan for President" button is a Buchanan supporter.
8.31.2008 4:27pm
Volokh Groupie:
@byomtov

I agree with you that it isn't ridiculous to assume she was a buchanan supporter just based on that---however now that all the other information is available it's clear she wasn't.

@jstubbs

thanks for the heads up..clearly we have all been blind for too long
8.31.2008 5:01pm
LM (mail):
Dave N:

J Stubbs post is too moronic to worthy further comment.

Some things are moronic enough to deserve more than one comment. I think that qualifies.
8.31.2008 5:32pm
LM (mail):
Richard Nieporent:

So the Jewish Democrats are attempting to treat Jews as if they are a mindless group that can be swayed by an appeal to emotion. How sad. Of course this is the way Democrats have always acted.

This is the stock in trade of both parties. And as Jews, the left has no monopoly on our embarrassing brethren. In this particular case the appeal to emotion only has power because Buchanan, the father of the "moral conservatives'" beloved culture war, was so recently a darling of the right. And when the Republicans were featuring him as their keynote speaker just four conventions ago, though there were principled conservatives like William Buckley who objected to Buchanan's anti-Semitism, that criticism came overwhelmingly from the left.
8.31.2008 5:52pm
byomtov (mail):
principled conservatives like William Buckley who objected to Buchanan's anti-Semitism, that criticism came overwhelmingly from the left.

Minor correction, LM. Buckley said something like he could understand why people thought Buchanan was an anti-Semite, though he himself did not think so.

In any case, as I said above, I think Palin's explanation is plausible.
8.31.2008 8:35pm
LM (mail):

principled conservatives like William Buckley who objected to Buchanan's anti-Semitism, that criticism came overwhelmingly from the left.

Now I have to go back and re-read the article [sigh...]. I remembered it as being implicitly critical, though very politely so.

In any case, as I said above, I think Palin's explanation is plausible.

So do I. I think the inference from the button was reasonable, especially when purportedly backed up by Buchanan, but I believe her denial and explanation. Then again, I'm constantly reminded what a naive liberal I am.
8.31.2008 10:17pm
Hoosier:
(Psst! Guys! We seem to have FOOLED LM. Heh-heh. What a naive liberal!)
8.31.2008 11:35pm
David M. Nieporent (www):
Buckley wrote, that Buchanan was "a Gentile who said things about Jews that could not reasonably be interpreted as other than anti- Semitic in tone and in substance." I don't believe he ever explicitly said that Buchanan was an anti-semite, but that the things he said were.
9.1.2008 1:35am
LM (mail):
Yes, that sounds familiar.
9.1.2008 6:32am
Joel Rosenberg (mail) (www):
When I first read the accusation, my first thought was, shit -- can she really be one of the Buchanan Brownshirts? If so, that would be, well, horrible.

As it turns out, though, that appears not to be the case. Which is just as well, in so many ways.
9.1.2008 1:18pm
David Warner:
"Then again, I'm constantly reminded what a naive liberal I am"

What's so bad about naive liberals? Our country was founded by them.
9.1.2008 3:16pm
Jefferson:
Indeed. It is quite naive to suggest a nation founded on the limitation of union powers, rather than the enumeration thereof. Or to fight a silly war that did not really mean a thing.

And so forth.
9.2.2008 7:34am
Gary Anderson (mail):
David:

I don't get why you refer to this small town as a "nothing" town, and a "one-moose town"?

Because it's small? Have you visited and found the place not to your liking?

Or does elitism know no partisan boundaries?

Really, I do hope you'll return to the thread and answer... If even some of your fellow "chosen" deign to live in Alaska, and some surely in small towns, why are you being so condescending to all those who live in small towns?

If it was supposed to be a silly joke, um, it fell short. If you seriously are that stuck up, how sad for you.
9.2.2008 4:58pm
LM (mail):
Gary Anderson,

In context I read "nothing" as meaning "in and of itself politically inconsequential." I disagree with many if not most of David's conclusions about this story, but you're being pretty thin skinned to read that one word as a commentary on small town Alaska.
9.2.2008 5:16pm
You folks are a joke (mail):

but that she's been really good fighting corruption (the fact that patronage murkowski and other repubs in alaska are lukewarm on her is a plus in my opinion)


Hmmm. She served on a 527 for Ted Stevens, took the federal money for the Bridge to Nowhere and kept it, talking out of both sides of her mouth. She left the town of Wasilla $20 million in debt when leaving office. She hired washington lobbyists (one who worked with Jack Abramoff) to bring home the pork while in Wasilla. She fired the town sheriff and librarian because they didn't "support" her enough.

Yeah. uh-huh. Real good at fighting corruption - when it isn't buttering her bread.
9.2.2008 8:07pm
Gary Anderson (mail):
LM,

Sorry, but I don't think my "thin skin" is the issue here. It's wasn't the one word slip either...

"civic booster mayor of nothing town will wear the campaign button of anyone who is willing to waste their time coming to said nothing town
9.3.2008 5:23pm