The Volokh Conspiracy

Temporary Restraining Order Against Crime-Facilitating Speech About Security Vulnerabilities:

Declan McCullagh at c|net News reports:

A federal judge on Saturday granted the state of Massachusetts' request for an injunction preventing three MIT students from giving a presentation about hacking smartcards used in the Boston subway system.

The undergraduate students were scheduled to give a presentation Sunday afternoon at the Defcon hacker conference here that they had said would describe "several attacks to completely break the CharlieCard," an RFID card that the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority uses on the Boston T subway line. They also planned to release card-hacking software they had created.

U.S. District Judge Douglas Woodlock on Saturday ordered the students not to provide "program, information, software code, or command that would assist another in any material way to circumvent or otherwise attack the security of the Fare Media System." Woodlock granted the MBTA's request after a hastily convened hearing in Massachusetts that took place at 8 a.m. PDT on Saturday.

The suit, filed a day earlier, also names the Massachusetts Institute of Technology as a defendant. Neither MIT nor the students — Zack Anderson, R.J. Ryan, and Alessandro Chiesa — could immediately be reached for comment....

The MBTA, which is a state government agency, claims that "disclosure of this information will significantly compromise the CharlieCard and CharlieTicket systems" and "constitutes a threat to public health or safety." ...

Every one of the thousands of people here who registered for Defcon received a CD with the students' 87-page presentation titled "Anatomy of a Subway Hack." It recounts, in detail, how they wrote code to generate fake magcards. Also, it describes how they were able to use software they developed and $990 worth of hardware to read and clone the RFID-based CharlieCards.

Those CDs were distributed to conference attendees starting Thursday evening, meaning the injunction was nearly two days late. (On the other hand, the source code to the utilities — not included on the CD — was removed from web.mit.edu/zacka/www/subway/ by Saturday morning.) ...

The order barred "providing program, information, software code, or command that would assist another in any material way to circumvent or otherwise attack the security of the Fare Media System." The ban on "information" appears especially broad, and would restrict even lectures or papers describing the general techniques; this means the broader question about whether communicating code (source or object) is "speech" need not be reached here, because lectures and papers clearly are.

The question is whether, in this context, the speech is constitutionally unprotected, and, even if it is, it can be restrained by a preliminary injunction. If the only argument was that the students' speech was "crime-facilitating" in the sense of helping others commit crimes (or even torts), I'd just rely on the analysis in my Crime-Facilitating Speech, 57 Stan. L. Rev. 1095 (2005). (For whatever it's worth, there's apparently a factual dispute about whether the students warned MBTA of their findings and gave them an opportunity to fix the security problem before going public with their conclusions; that question may be relevant to whether the students behaved properly, but under my Stan. L. Rev. analysis it shouldn't be relevant to whether their speech publicizing the violation is constitutionally protected.)

But here the MBTA argues (see the Complaint and the Memorandum in support of the Temporary Restraining Order) that the student defendants got the information by illegally accessing the material inside the MBTA cards, and other MBTA computer systems, in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act — a law that neutrally bans the conduct of unauthorized access to others' computer systems. Whether the speech communicating information they learned from their illegal conduct (if it was illegal) may be restricted is potentially a different question.

On the other hand, even otherwise unprotected speech generally can only be restricted after a finding on the merits that the speech is indeed unprotected. It generally can't be restricted via a temporary restraining order or a preliminary injunction that's just based on a preliminary, quick-and-dirty estimate of whether a crime was committed and whether the speech is therefore constitutionally unprotected. That's the best rationalization I could come up with of the "prior restraint" doctrine, which as I understand it means that speech cannot be restrained prior to a merits finding about whether it's unprotected. See this analysis in Mark Lemley's and my Duke article on preliminary injunctions in intellectual property cases, though note that our article responds largely to the fact that the prior restraint doctrine seems to be disregarded (mostly silently) in certain classes of cases, such as copyright cases.

So this is a pretty complex legal question, which is one reason I only offer the tentative framework above. I hope to have more thoughts on the subject in coming days.

Deoxy (mail):
Not allowing the public proclaimation of security vulnerabilities is a great way to make sure those vulnerabilities are never fixed.

Considering that RFIDs were cracked literally years ago but are somehow still being rolled out in new systems as if they were secure, I'd suggest that to be the intended result.

Oh look, it's working. :-/
8.11.2008 11:15am
Kevin P. (mail):

"constitutes a threat to public health or safety"


Is this really true? It seem to constitute a threat to the MBTA's finances.
8.11.2008 11:15am
Spitzer:
This sounds surprisingly related to another bubbling First Amendment issue. According to the NY Times, a splinter group of MoveOn.org intends to send letters to 10,000 GOP donors threatenting them with legal action and/or invasion of privacy unless they cease and desist donating money to the GOP and GOP candidates. As Judicial Watch has noted, this may well be a violation of the KKK Act. Accordingly, can a person or organization who believe themselves to be a likely target of such threatening letters apply for a TRO? That situation may be different from the computer case supra, however, because the illegal act (the threat, or at least the threat of a threat designed to inhibit election-related behavior by a targeted audience) has already taken place on the pages of the NY Times.
8.11.2008 11:19am
arbitraryaardvark (mail) (www):
Let me tell you the story
Of a man named Charlie
On a tragic and fateful day
He put ten cents in his pocket,
Kissed his wife and family
Went to ride on the MTA
- Man who never returned
http://www.mccullagh.org/
8.11.2008 11:43am
Javert:

It recounts, in detail, how they wrote code to generate fake magcards.
This is analogous to recounting in detail how they wrote software to print counterfeit money or to recounting in detail how they wrote a program to hack Visa accounts.

Unless one atempts to sever free speech from property rights, I don't see how this is a "complex question." Publishing ones ideas is a form of action. And this is clearly action in the furtherance of a crime.


Not allowing the public proclaimation of security vulnerabilities is a great way to make sure those vulnerabilities are never fixed.
If this were their motive, which I don't for a second believe, they could have accomplished it privately. This is not a whisper -- akin to: "psst, your fly is open." This is shouting to the world in order to ridicule and garner fame.
8.11.2008 11:46am
Randy R. (mail):
"According to the NY Times, a splinter group of MoveOn.org intends to send letters to 10,000 GOP donors threatenting them with legal action and/or invasion of privacy unless they cease and desist donating money to the GOP and GOP candidates. "

I don't understand the problem. If you are giving money to the GOP, why wouldn't you be out and proud of it?

"This is shouting to the world in order to ridicule and garner fame." Possibly. But if they just wispered, what guarantee is there that the system would actually do anything about it? Except perhaps arrest the students, maybe, in which case they would not have the public support because they didn;'t go public.

Sometimes shining light upon a problem is the best way to address the problem. Now, the MTA is forced to fix the problem whether they want to or not, or suffer more problems.

Plus, it's a very good stunt to show us all how vulnerable we all are, and to to remind us that nothing on computers is safe or secure, despite what people like to think.
8.11.2008 11:55am
Dan Weber (www):
This is shouting to the world in order to ridicule and garner fame.

And it sure worked, didn't it?

This wasn't merely "public proclamation of security vulnerabilities." This was "here's how we forged new values into the stored-value system, and how you can do it, too."

On a technical matter: how did the students figure out the checksum being used?
8.11.2008 11:57am
krs:
My reaction was the same as Kevin P.'s. They've hacked the farecards, not the brakes.
8.11.2008 11:58am
Al Maviva (mail):
I don't understand the problem. If you are giving money to the GOP, why wouldn't you be out and proud of it?

So you would have no problem with a political advocacy group opposed to your viewpoints, threatening to dig up dirt in your life and broadcast it?

Used to be, that was called extortion.
8.11.2008 12:04pm
Frater Plotter:
illegally accessing the material inside the MBTA cards, and other MBTA computer systems, in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act — a law that neutrally bans the conduct of unauthorized access to others' computer systems.

That's a pretty remarkable claim right there. If I buy an MBTA card from a vending machine, that's a sale under UCC, so the card itself becomes my property. Now, I do not have the right to use my property fraudulently -- for instance, to alter the card and use it to get free subway rides. But can I really be charged with unauthorized access to a "computer system" (smart cards have a little computer in them) that I own?

MBTA sold me a card. MBTA's property rights in that card terminated at the time of sale. It is no longer up to them whether an "access" to that card is "authorized" for Computer Fraud and Abuse Act purposes. While there are certainly illegal things I could do with that card (such as altering it and presenting it fraudulently ... or using it to pick a lock, or making a piece of illegal drug paraphernalia out of it), how can reading the data off of a piece of my own property be "unauthorized access"?
8.11.2008 12:06pm
Chris Wysopal (www):
The MBTA accepted a cost effective security solution that indeed had some residual risk. As this risk becomes exposed over time due to security research their system becomes more risky, yet it is fixed in hardware. At some point every system that was planned to include more residual risk than it should have been will be broken. Can an organization use the fact that they will be financially harmed to keep vulnerabilities secret. If so why build anything but trivial security into a system and use the courts to keep people quiet.

Free speech on security vulnerabilities is the only way to keep public knowledge anywhere close to criminal knowledge and to keep the residual risk built into systems anywhere near to appropriate level.

Without free speech on vulnerabilities we will degenerate to the 1 toggle bit security approach where no one can talk about what a bit in a software program means or how to modify it if it will allow a software exploit that causes financial harm.
8.11.2008 12:08pm
Dan Weber (www):
"constitutes a threat to public health or safety"
Is this really true? It seem to constitute a threat to the MBTA's finances.


There were a few different issues in their slides. One was that they were showing how "secure" offices were often left wide open. Another was the showing of keys that they photographed and showed in high-detail so they could be duplicated. Another was "here is how you can create new high value cards for the Charlie system."

I'm sketchy about the "public health and safety" claim, but there is something there for them to hang that claim on.

Sometimes shining light upon a problem is the best way to address the problem. Now, the MTA is forced to fix the problem whether they want to or not, or suffer more problems.

So, just talking about the forging cash values onto cards: who benefits? The MBTA clearly suffers, and now they have a choice over what kind of suffering. But I don't get who benefits by these guys making it very easy for people to create fraudulent stored-value cards.
8.11.2008 12:11pm
Frog Leg (mail):
EV notes that "prior restraint doctrine seems to be disregarded (mostly silently) in certain classes of cases, such as copyright cases." Could Boston's copyright of the code be the basis of the injunction? Is hacking the code a copyright violation?
8.11.2008 12:12pm
Tennessean (mail):
Frater Plotter:

I don't know the relevant statutes, etc., but it is certainly not atypical that a sale does not result in the new owner having unlimited ownership rights. Consider, e.g., the purchase of a home in a suburban neighborhood with an ornery association keeping watching. So, here, it is certainly plausible that the card is sold either for certain purposes only or for use generally with the exception of certain forbidden purposes. Given the presence of the law to set default contract terms where there has been no negotiation, I'd assume that one of those two cases applies (and, here, they are likely rather indistinguishable in effect). If the students wanted more access, they could have sought an unlimited use card (albeit likely at a higher - much, much higher - price).
8.11.2008 12:16pm
subpatre (mail):
Darned shame that the US issues gag orders while weenie Europeans hear the exact same case and --after due deliberation-- made (past tense) a decision for the presentation to proceed. The presentation was on a brand of RFID cards vulnerable due to the lousy chip design. The encryption was broken in October and the maker, NXP Semiconductors, notified. No corrective action was ever taken.

"Damage to NXP is not the result of the publication of the article but of the production and sale of a chip that appears to have shortcomings." --Netherlands court, denying an injunction against Dutch researchers by the Dutch chip maker.


"The security of Mifare Classic is terrible. This is not an exaggeration; it's kindergarten cryptography. Anyone with any security experience would be embarrassed to put his name to the design. NXP attempted to deal with this embarrassment by keeping the design secret." Bruce Schneier, Guardian, Aug 7


The information on how the chip works is already online, and the Massachusetts court is making itself look foolish. Many other groups have also reverse engineered (cracked) this kindergarden code, and the ever-industrious are selling clones. Is MA buying these Chinese counterfeit 'compatible' chips?

"MBTA argues that the student defendants got the information by illegally accessing the material inside the MBTA cards, and other MBTA computer systems, in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act" --Eugene Volokh


Maybe they just obtained this publically accessible information, and were going to present that? Some MIT geeks should stand at the terminal and hand out free CDs with this information to BostonT commuters.

Gratifying to security types is that the Dutch court rejected the false concept of security-through-secrecy. But the action of the Boston court in even taking this case is a shame to Americans.
8.11.2008 12:17pm
Joe Kowalski (mail):
If High Times can publish gardening tips &Soldier of Fortune can publish info about weapons &arms, why is publishing some information about a computer security vulnerability any different?
8.11.2008 12:21pm
Spitzer:
Obviously federal law requires the publication of donor's names and basic information when donations exceed a de minimis sum. But to threaten such donors with lawsuits and/or invasion of privacy violates 42 USC Section 1985(3): .... "or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy;"
8.11.2008 12:27pm
SATA_Interface:
Can't wait to get my new passport with the RFID and throw it in the microwave... What a bad implementation of this tech... I mean, people managed to crack these almost immediately after the implementation, and instead of delaying the go-live until the bugs were fixed and solidified, they just waste your money and mine, and give you a worse product than before.

Also, the reason that the checksum was compromised: when you have developers building proprietary cryptography vs using a rock solid public crypto scheme, you end up with very easy to break crypto as most developers are not cryptomasters.

Most of the appliances that check the cards (on the bus, at the metro, etc) likely do not phone home all the time and so there's a possible way to avoid a network check for the stored balance. I think that is why the Fastlane rfid tags work better and are not as vulnerable to this crack - they check the balances real-time and are always connected.

Similar to the WEP 64bit poor crypto issue where you can brute force a key for access in about 2 days time on your home pc.
8.11.2008 12:34pm
Frater Plotter:
but it is certainly not atypical that a sale does not result in the new owner having unlimited ownership rights. Consider, e.g., the purchase of a home in a suburban neighborhood with an ornery association keeping watching.
In such cases, these terms are part of the sale contract; the purchaser is informed of them and consents explicitly to them. No such fact pattern exists for the purchase of a smart card from a vending machine.
8.11.2008 12:45pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Here is the problem for the court, as I see it. If it issues the TRO, and it was wrong, then when either the TRO or preliminary injunction is lifted, the conference can send out the suppressed information later to the participants. But if they refused to issue the TRO, and they should have, then the cat is out of the bag, and no TRO or injunction in the world is going to fix the problem. In short, the harm could arguably easily be seen as imminent and irreparable.

So, I think that the Court was probably right in issuing the TRO, but would likely be wrong to issue a permanent injunction. Remember the purpose of a TRO - to freeze the situation until the court can investigate further, inter partes.
8.11.2008 1:26pm
Fub:
Bruce Hayden wrote at 8.11.2008 1:26pm:
So, I think that the Court was probably right in issuing the TRO, but would likely be wrong to issue a permanent injunction. Remember the purpose of a TRO - to freeze the situation until the court can investigate further, inter partes.
Can't disagree with that reasoning. But it's pretty obvious that the State of Massachusetts is no smarter than their "smartcards" for seeking the injunction in the first place, especially since they were two days late for distribution of the CD information. The Streisand effect will likely bring the attention of countless hackers to hacking the card independently, with a fair likelihood of success.
8.11.2008 1:43pm
Opher Banarie (mail) (www):
"Considering that RFIDs were cracked literally years ago but are somehow still being rolled out in new systems as if they were secure..."

The RFID chip itself has no security - it just stores data. The issue is how the information is encrypted. Many RFID systems had (have!) weak encryption and so the information is easily compromised, as in the comments regarding passport information. A strong encryption system (and there are several) AND a long random key will make for encoded information which cannot be compromised.

However, people are lazy and memory is weak and written information can be copied. As a result, most people choose weak/short keys that are easy to remember (and easy to guess) which gets us security compromises.
8.11.2008 1:55pm
statfan (mail):
Bruce, but surely that rationale applies generally to many cases of prior restraint of speech, but US still law generally rejects prior restraint. Indeed, it would apply to a law which required that a judge approve all publication of security research, which would clearly be unconstitutional.
8.11.2008 2:05pm
Should be bar studying:
Well, they won in court, but lost to the internets. The slides are already all over the web. Google "MIT subway slides." An MIT student newspaper is currently hosting them. Very interesting reading, in any case.
8.11.2008 2:09pm
The Unbeliever:
This is probably my own mindset coloring my response, but my reaction was a little different:

Those CDs were distributed to conference attendees starting Thursday evening, meaning the injunction was nearly two days late. (On the other hand, the source code to the utilities — not included on the CD — was removed from web.mit.edu/zacka/www/subway/ by Saturday morning.) ...
Moral of the story: always include the source code with your demos. Holds true in a professional setting as well.
8.11.2008 2:17pm
Randy R. (mail):
"So you would have no problem with a political advocacy group opposed to your viewpoints, threatening to dig up dirt in your life and broadcast it?

Used to be, that was called extortion."

My understanding is that moveon is just going to identify people who donated to the GOP, not dig up dirt on the lives of the people who donated. If the former, I see no problem with it. Indeed, we have laws that insist on disclosure. If ther latter, then yes, I would have a problem with that.

But I donate to many groups and organizations, and I have no problem if the entire world knows about it. In fact, I'm rather proud of these organizations and have no reason to hide my contributions.
8.11.2008 2:36pm
subpatre (mail):
Bruce - the cat has been out of the bag for over a year.

OTOH, the court should hear the case. Massachusetts claims among other things:
Magnetic-stripe cards (like most ATM and credit cards) are computers, these 'computers' are used for national security purposes, analyzing these cards is a threat to public health and safety, and MBTA will suffer "irreparable harm".

All this for decades-old information available to anyone via internet, on an issue that manufacturers and MBTA decline to fix.

Cryptome has all the information, but the complete DEFCON presentation is here, and the state's complaint here.
8.11.2008 2:53pm
Smokey:
Frater Plotter:

In such cases, these terms are part of the sale contract; the purchaser is informed of them and consents explicitly to them. No such fact pattern exists for the purchase of a smart card from a vending machine.
I see it more like buying a car. No car seller gives you written instructions stating that you can't run Granny over in the crosswalk; that's in the law itself.

The law states that you can't hack the internal code. The card is sold to you for a purpose: to use for transportation. Just like a car is sold to you to use for transportation, not as a weapon -- even though it could be used that way.

Stealing the property of others [in this case, the taxpayers and honest transit users], is theft. Condoning theft is what got us into this current screwed up society.

Like the protagonist in The Kite Runner says, all wrongdoing is basically theft. When the law says you can't hack the source code, you're a thief if you do. A taste of jail time would be a great example to similarly minded thieves.
8.11.2008 2:58pm
subpatre (mail):
After reading over (no hard scrutiny) the DEFCON presentation and alleged advertisement for the presentation, the MIT students may be in a fine position... to sue MBTA for every penny.

It is possibly a hack (don't comment unless you understand it) on the legal system. If not, it is a fine substitute for demonstrating legal incompetence.

If the court grants the injunction (Oh dear, it already did!) it will be enjoining speech, ie preventing persons from speaking. Period.

There is no 'security' aspect to the presentation. The proposed paper is about prior public speech and knowlege. It doesn't even contain any details on what has already long been published and discussed.

This is little different than a court preventing a citizen from presenting the Constitution or DoI to a group of people.
8.11.2008 3:01pm
Frater Plotter:
I see it more like buying a car. No car seller gives you written instructions stating that you can't run Granny over in the crosswalk; that's in the law itself.

Yes, and I cited examples where uses of your property (the card) would be illegal: if you altered the card and used it to commit fraud, for instance, or if you made the card into illegal drug paraphernalia. But that's not what's at issue here.

One of the MBTA claims is apparently that accessing the data on the card is an "unauthorized access" under the terms of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. And it is that claim I'm calling out as a property-rights violation.

Please note, I'm not speaking to any of the MBTA's other claims, including unauthorized access to computer systems that the MBTA actually owns. I'm speaking solely to the claim of unauthorized access to a smart card which is not the MBTA's property.

The law states that you can't hack the internal code. The card is sold to you for a purpose: to use for transportation.

The law in question doesn't say that.

The law in question is the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which prohibits (among other things) unauthorized access to protected computer systems. Unauthorized by whom, though? In the law, authorization to access a computer system comes from the owner of the computer system ... not the person who sold that computer system to the current owner.

The MBTA is claiming an ownership right (the right to refuse authorization to access a computer system) on a computer system (the smart card) that it does not in fact own.

To draw a parallel: Suppose that you purchase a computer system from Dell and use it for a purpose that Dell does not approve of. Perhaps you use it to put up a Web site critical of Dell's customer service practices. Perhaps you inspect the hardware and design of the computer and publish a paper on the engineering flaws of that design. Under the MBTA's logic, Dell would now be able to get you charged with "unauthorized access" because you are using the computer for a purpose Dell did not intend or desire: Dell sold you the computer to write term papers and look at porn, not to criticize Dell's customer service or engineering practices, so (by the MBTA's logic) you are committing "unauthorized access" to that Dell computer.
8.11.2008 3:21pm
Spitzer:
Randy R: The NY Times reports that the group is "hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions" and that "The warning letter is intended as a first step, alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives"

That's extortion, threats of invasion of privacy, and possible threats to life, safety, or property, all with the purpose of chilling the exercise of political-civil rights. To my mind, that's a Section 1985 violation and possibily a violation of a host of state and federal criminal laws as well. Why can't a court issue a TRO against such threatening letters?
8.11.2008 3:29pm
DiverDan (mail):
Just out of curiousity, did the Court at LEAST require the MBTA to post a significant bond as a condition of the TRO? My recollection is that the Federal Rules require that a bond be posted as a condition to issuing a TRO, with exceptions for the Federal Government (and other governmental agencies?), with the condition that if a TRO is found to have been wrongfully entered, the Defendants can collect upon the bond for damages resulting from wrongful injunction. If the Court ordered only a nominal bond (say, $1000), can the Students pursue MBTA directly for additional damages? Or file a claim against the US for the District Court's failure to require an adequate bond?
8.11.2008 3:30pm
TomH (mail):
Okay, Smokey - Here's your new Ford SUV with the best Firestones you can buy. Don't open the hood or look at any of the parts, there's trade secrets in there. Just drive it like a good little consumer. Wouldn't want anyone criticizing our design.
8.11.2008 4:16pm
jgshapiro (mail):

Here is the problem for the court, as I see it. If it issues the TRO, and it was wrong, then when either the TRO or preliminary injunction is lifted, the conference can send out the suppressed information later to the participants. But if they refused to issue the TRO, and they should have, then the cat is out of the bag, and no TRO or injunction in the world is going to fix the problem. In short, the harm could arguably easily be seen as imminent and irreparable.

Doesn't this mean that the party seeking a TRO will nearly always win? They will always be able to argue that there is "no harm" in delaying release of information while the court investigates further because the information can be released later. I think you can only get to this conclusion if you discount the harm of restricting the speech in the first place, so that there is weight on only one side of the scales.

In any event, as one poster has pointed out above, the only harm here is to the MBTA's ability to receive fares. It is a monetary harm, if anything. Compare that to the arm of the Pentagon Papers case, where the Supreme Court ruled that prior restraint was impermissible. Here you have money damage (which can be redressed in a lawsuit later), and there you have national security damage (which has no redress, if the damage was legitimate and not just embarrassment to the Nixon Administration). And yet, there the government lost, and here the government won.

Yes, the information here was not news being published by a standard media source, but still I thought the rule was generally that "Any system of prior restraints of expression comes to [the courts] bearing a heavy presumption against its constitutional validity”. I just don't see how you square that statement with a TRO here.
8.11.2008 4:18pm
Dan Weber (www):
The MBTA is claiming an ownership right (the right to refuse authorization to access a computer system) on a computer system (the smart card) that it does not in fact own.

I pulled a CharlieTicket out of my wallet, ready to regale you with the fact that they reserve ownership, like any frequent shopper card would.

But, alas, it doesn't say that. It says "Subject to applicable tariff regulations and conditions of use. Ticket may be confiscated for misuse. Not replaceable if lost or stolen. Non-refundable."

Could any of those be construed to mean that the MBTA retains ownership?

(There's also a copyright symbol, but I don't think that restricts access in anyway.)

Is the CharlieCard any different with its text?
8.11.2008 4:29pm
xyzzy:
"Any system of prior restraints of expression comes to [the courts] bearing a heavy presumption against its constitutional validity”.


That was 1971.

This is 2008.

Don't you know that 9-11 changed everything?

Face it. The students' very first mistake was in planning to go to a dodgy venue like DEFCON in a dodgy town like Las Vegas. Just attending that conference —let alone presenting at it— should be enough to get your name on a hacker-terrorist watch list.

They should have covertly sent the info into the Netherlands, using assumed aliases. These days, security students who deserve "A" grades need 5ki1z and tradecraft.

It's not 1971 anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.
8.11.2008 4:30pm
hotsauce (mail):
Stealing the property of others [in this case, the taxpayers and honest transit users], is theft. Condoning theft is what got us into this current screwed up society.


Stealing taxpayer money?! That's the government's job!
8.11.2008 4:45pm
Bob_R (mail):
I think the Iowahawk has the goods on Accountable America.
8.11.2008 4:47pm
Dave N (mail):
xyzzy,

Thanks for a nice trip down memory lane. I hadn't even thought about "Adventure" for years, but your handle reminded me and brought back good memories of a life I had before law school.
8.11.2008 5:17pm
XON:
So, isn't the answer here to appeal as soon as possible, and as forcefully as possible, and create a solid precedent that this is unconstitutional, thereby enshrining the ability to do this in settled law?

EFF?
ACLU?
Grassroots Slashdot funding?

MA was wrong to seek this. The court was wrong to grant this. This is that apocryphal situation that 'the insurance companies and the auto/oil companies' life in fear of, where the little guy wins a legal precedent that interferes with their continuing to pick his pockets.
8.11.2008 5:21pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Bruce, but surely that rationale applies generally to many cases of prior restraint of speech, but US still law generally rejects prior restraint. Indeed, it would apply to a law which required that a judge approve all publication of security research, which would clearly be unconstitutional.
First, note that at this point, it is only peripherally about Free Speech. At least at the TRO stage, it is more akin to trade secrets. Which brings me to the second point, which is that usually when we talk prior restraint, we are talking more akin to the results of a permanent injunction.

Keep in mind that a TRO is very temporary, and a preliminary injunction is just that. We aren't talking right now about keeping it out of the public domain forever, but rather just until the Court can review it more carefully on an expedited basis.
8.11.2008 6:16pm
Frater Plotter:
Could any of those be construed to mean that the MBTA retains ownership?

If you booted up your new Dell and a message popped up saying that Dell reserves the right to remotely delete any Web site created with that computer if they don't like it ... could that be construed to mean that Dell retains ownership of your computer? I suggest not. Moreover, it shouldn't even deter prosecution of Dell under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act if they tried it!

Merely printing a message on a product, only to be seen after the purchaser has already purchased it, does not change the property rights of the purchaser.
8.11.2008 6:22pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Bruce, but surely that rationale applies generally to many cases of prior restraint of speech, but US still law generally rejects prior restraint. Indeed, it would apply to a law which required that a judge approve all publication of security research, which would clearly be unconstitutional.
Let me suggest again that the time to bring this up is at the preliminary injunction hearing. Don't know about this one or MA law, but in my experience, most TROs are ex parte. Even in the case of the Pentagon Papers and the like, there is little that can't wait a couple days.
8.11.2008 6:30pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Doesn't this mean that the party seeking a TRO will nearly always win? They will always be able to argue that there is "no harm" in delaying release of information while the court investigates further because the information can be released later. I think you can only get to this conclusion if you discount the harm of restricting the speech in the first place, so that there is weight on only one side of the scales.
No, because the standards change as you go through the process. The purpose of a TRO is to protect the status quo ante until a court can more fully review the situation. Think of this way, a TRO is heavily stacked in favor of the status quo, a preliminary injunction somewhat so, and a permanent injunction neutral.
So, isn't the answer here to appeal as soon as possible, and as forcefully as possible, and create a solid precedent that this is unconstitutional, thereby enshrining the ability to do this in settled law?

EFF?
ACLU?
Grassroots Slashdot funding?

MA was wrong to seek this. The court was wrong to grant this. This is that apocryphal situation that 'the insurance companies and the auto/oil companies' life in fear of, where the little guy wins a legal precedent that interferes with their continuing to pick his pockets.
The first, and somewhat flippant answer, is that it can't be appealed. No final verdict. This was not based on the merits, but rather was precautionary. If the Court issues a permanent injunction, it can, and most assuredly would be, appealed, with the likely help of those organizations, or maybe even some here.
8.11.2008 6:40pm
xyzzy:
At least at the TRO stage, it is more akin to trade secrets. Which brings me to the second point, which is that usually when we talk prior restraint, we are talking more akin to the results of a permanent injunction.

(Former) Chief Justice Rehnquist disagrees with you in Alexander v United States:
The term "prior restraint" is used "to describe administrative and judicial orders forbidding certain communications when issued in advance of the time that such communications are to occur." M. Nimmer, Nimmer on Freedom of Speech § 4.03, p. 4-14 (1984) (emphasis added). Temporary restraining orders and permanent injunctions-i. e., court orders that actually forbid speech activities-are classic examples of prior restraints. See id., § 4.03, at 4-16.

(Emphasis added.)

Fwiw, Alexander has been cited elsewhere as a particularily cogent explanation of the law on prior restraint.
8.11.2008 6:43pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Just out of curiousity, did the Court at LEAST require the MBTA to post a significant bond as a condition of the TRO? My recollection is that the Federal Rules require that a bond be posted as a condition to issuing a TRO, with exceptions for the Federal Government (and other governmental agencies?), with the condition that if a TRO is found to have been wrongfully entered, the Defendants can collect upon the bond for damages resulting from wrongful injunction. If the Court ordered only a nominal bond (say, $1000), can the Students pursue MBTA directly for additional damages? Or file a claim against the US for the District Court's failure to require an adequate bond?
What are their damages? The cost of sending out the stuff a little later if the TRO expires and a permanent injunction doesn't issue? In short, de minimis. Indeed, if I were on the other side facing such a suit, I would try to offset any such damages with the increase in their reputations, and thus ultimate salaries.

And, no, they can't sue the court. Or, if they do, they will lose, and may get hit with sanctions themselves. The state maybe, but not the Court.
8.11.2008 6:46pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
The term "prior restraint" is used "to describe administrative and judicial orders forbidding certain communications when issued in advance of the time that such communications are to occur." M. Nimmer, Nimmer on Freedom of Speech § 4.03, p. 4-14 (1984) (emphasis added). Temporary restraining orders and permanent injunctions-i. e., court orders that actually forbid speech activities-are classic examples of prior restraints. See id., § 4.03, at 4-16.
Note the big difference here between TROs and permanent injunctions. A TRO is typically issued based on an ex parte claim for relief. A permanent injunction is typically issued on the merits. At least in the temporary injunction stage, a court can look at the likelihood of success. Mixing the two (or three) here is almost like mixing apples and oranges.

As with anything in the Constitution, and in particular here, the 1st Amdt., nothing is absolute. There is information disclosure that our courts will enjoin. For example, should DOE come to a court and ask for an injunction against an imminent disclosure of our latest device designs, they are likely to get it. Ditto for tonight's targeted terrorist hideouts in Iraq or Afghanistan. In the first instance, the injunction is likely to be permanent, while in the later, by the time you could get to a preliminary injunction hearing, the information would likely be stale.

What many here are doing is arguing with facts that the Court does not yet have. It doesn't know that the MTA didn't retain an interest in the passes, that much of this information is already out in the public domain, that this wouldn't enable terrorists, etc. Its job right here is to be safe, rather than sorry, until there is a chance for a preliminary injunction hearing.
8.11.2008 7:05pm
Tom Cross (www):

The cost of sending out the stuff a little later if the TRO expires and a permanent injunction doesn't issue? In short, de minimis.

Have you ever attended a conference? Several thousand people flew to this conference for the purpose of hearing the presentations live and speaking face to face with various speakers and other attendees over the course of the weekend. All of the recordings of the presentations are available on DVD after the conference. If the difference between seeing the presentation at the conference and hearing a recording after the fact was "de minimis" why would anybody go to the conference? Why would anybody ever attend any conference about any subject? Surely a "de minimis" difference would not justify airplane tickets, hotels, and convention center space!

But I don't get who benefits by these guys making it very easy for people to create fraudulent stored-value cards.

They are not making it "very easy," but there is a benefit to discussing these things because doing so helps security practitioners understand how to build effective security systems that work.
8.11.2008 7:24pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
I read the article by profs Lemley and Volokh with interest. The really relevant part, as far as I am concerned, is the trade secret section. The first part of the paper is about copyright law, and I don't think there is much debate there about prior restraint. But I find it notable that preliminary injunctions are common in trade secret cases, while extremely disfavored in copyright cases. Why? I would suggest that because once the trade secret is made public, it is no longer a trade secret. But even once a copyrighted work is made public, it is still subject to actions for permanent injunctions against copyright infringement. So, preserving the status quo ante is typically far, far, more important in trade secret cases than in copyright cases.

Also note that in trade secret cases, if you can't get a TRO, a preliminary injunction is often worthless, since the alleged discloser could disclose during the time between notice of a hearing and the hearing itself, with only the prospect of monetary damages available as a remedy (and these guys are likely judgment proof as they are students).
8.11.2008 7:28pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Eugene starts this off by talking about crime facilitating speech. But my inclination, at least right now, is (as is obvious from my previous posts) to view it at this point more akin to trade secret disclosure.

Keep in mind that disclosure of illegally discovered trade secret information is a violation of trade secret law. So, if you break into the safe that has the Coca Cola formula and put the formula out on the Internet, you can not only be prosecuted for the burglary, but also are subject to whatever the TS law provides. And that is what is being alleged right now, the equivalent to discovering the Coke formula through safe cracking. That is why the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act may be relevant.
8.11.2008 7:40pm
Dave123:
I know nothing of the law, but bear with me and let me know what you think please.

I feel like the MTBA was trying to get (by analogy) an injunction that would prevent the MIT students from saying that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.

To further the analogy: RFID technology is known to have security flaws; it is like a completely sheer shirt. There is material there, but if our emperor is wearing only the RFD tech, then they are clearly naked despite having a sheer shirt on -- they can be seen bare. As the MTBA turns its back on the MIT students by filing court action, they have shown the hairy buttocks of their ignorance. They are already naked and want to enjoin the MIT students from speaking that issue.



By the way, did anyone else listen to the audio record of the Mass. Court hearing?

I couldn't take it beyond the first hour due to the stuttering of the MTBA's lead counsel. However, on the merits, I was interested in the issue where the judge repeatedly questioned defense counsel about whether there was "anything new" in the presentation. He vacillated between the two possible answers: there is something new in the speech by the MIT students, or there is nothing new.

EFF counsel said approximately that most of it was public knowledge, but that the technical application in this case constituted new information.

From the comments, it seems as if the judge did not agree -- he felt application of a generic principal to this case did not fall under "new" information.

But I am confused.... is it simply that had there been no new information the speech could have been enjoined? That, to me makes no sense, to issue a TRO for an already rung bell. Contrariwise, if there was something new, then the novel information is speech. Saying "I did this" is speech. Showing the results of your work is also clearly speech.
8.11.2008 8:14pm
jgshapiro (mail):

What are their damages? The cost of sending out the stuff a little later if the TRO expires and a permanent injunction doesn't issue? In short, de minimis.


Again, you give little weight (if any) to the cost of restricting speech. That is contrary to the Supreme Court's instructions in New York Times v. U.S. They took the opposite approach and said there is a strong presumption against a prior restraint. They did not differentiate between a TRO and an injunction, preliminary or otherwise.

You could just as easily ask what are the damages of asking the party seeking a TRO to wait a little longer until they are able to appear before the court with the other party present and the court is able to look at all the evidence. That is especially true here, where everyone who would have been party to the presentation already had the information in CD format.


As with anything in the Constitution, and in particular here, the 1st Amdt., nothing is absolute. There is information disclosure that our courts will enjoin. For example, should DOE come to a court and ask for an injunction against an imminent disclosure of our latest device designs, they are likely to get it. Ditto for tonight's targeted terrorist hideouts in Iraq or Afghanistan.

No one is claiming that the right to speak is absolute, but the rule is nevertheless fairly heavily stacked against those seeking to restrain speech. The targeted terrorist design example is a bad analogy, because the times and dates of troop movements are the one area where the courts have said that prior restraint is OK. But that is not going on here. The injunction against design disclosure is a better analogy, but given that the cat was out of the bag a while ago on this, and this is not really a "trade secret" in any fair sense of the word, I don't think that works either.


These guys are likely judgment proof as they are students

Well, here you have the real rationale, which is that there should be a different standard for obtaining a prior restraint when the alternative is suing someone that is judgment-proof. I don't think there is any precedent for that claim, is there? The proper remedy here is a suit for damages (lost fares) against the students. You may be able to force them into bankruptcy or get a lien against future wages, but blocking their speech because you don't think you can collect on a judgment is very difficult to square with the First Amendment.
8.11.2008 8:25pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
No one is claiming that the right to speak is absolute, but the rule is nevertheless fairly heavily stacked against those seeking to restrain speech. The targeted terrorist design example is a bad analogy, because the times and dates of troop movements are the one area where the courts have said that prior restraint is OK. But that is not going on here. The injunction against design disclosure is a better analogy, but given that the cat was out of the bag a while ago on this, and this is not really a "trade secret" in any fair sense of the word, I don't think that works either.
The examples were just to show that courts can enjoin some speech. The problem with the cat being out of the bag is that that is not yet before the court.



These guys are likely judgment proof as they are students



Well, here you have the real rationale, which is that there should be a different standard for obtaining a prior restraint when the alternative is suing someone that is judgment-proof. I don't think there is any precedent for that claim, is there? The proper remedy here is a suit for damages (lost fares) against the students. You may be able to force them into bankruptcy or get a lien against future wages, but blocking their speech because you don't think you can collect on a judgment is very difficult to square with the First Amendment.
8.11.2008 8:45pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Whoops. Windows Vista glitch. Let's try again.
No one is claiming that the right to speak is absolute, but the rule is nevertheless fairly heavily stacked against those seeking to restrain speech. The targeted terrorist design example is a bad analogy, because the times and dates of troop movements are the one area where the courts have said that prior restraint is OK. But that is not going on here. The injunction against design disclosure is a better analogy, but given that the cat was out of the bag a while ago on this, and this is not really a "trade secret" in any fair sense of the word, I don't think that works either.
The examples were just to show that courts can enjoin some speech. The problem with the cat being out of the bag is that that is not yet before the court.

I think the trade secret analogy, at least right now, is probably better than any other we have seen. I think that you could plausibly argue before a court that the students were trying to release secret information they acquired illegally that belonged to the MBTA. We have facts available to us to possibly disprove that, but that is now, and not then.
These guys are likely judgment proof as they are students
Well, here you have the real rationale, which is that there should be a different standard for obtaining a prior restraint when the alternative is suing someone that is judgment-proof. I don't think there is any precedent for that claim, is there? The proper remedy here is a suit for damages (lost fares) against the students. You may be able to force them into bankruptcy or get a lien against future wages, but blocking their speech because you don't think you can collect on a judgment is very difficult to square with the First Amendment.
Ok, the judgment proof was a throw away. There may have been some injunctive relief granted for that reason, but it is more likely I think that this is not taken into much consideration.
8.11.2008 8:54pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
I should note that the MBTA did use the trade secret analogy, at least in its page 4 (III) Irreparable Harm argument in its memorandum.
IlL Irreparable Harm
“Irreparable injury’ in the preliminary injunction context means an injury that cannot adequately be compensated for either by a later-issued permanent injunction, after a full adjudication on the merits, or by a later-issued damages remedy. Rio Grande Cmy. Health Ctr., Inc. v. Rullan, 397 F.3d 56, 76 (1st Cir. 2005). The loss of a trade secret is generally found to constitute irreparable harm. TouchPoint Solutions, Inc. v, Eastman Kodak Co., 345 F.Supp.2d 23, 32 (D.Mass. 2004). That is in recognition of the fact that, “once the trade secret is lost, it is gone forever.” Id. (citing FMC Corp. v. Taiwan Tainan Giant Indus. Co., 730 F.2d 61,63 (2d Cir. 1984)).
8.11.2008 9:22pm
Greg Q (mail) (www):
IF the MTBA was in the process of getting rid of those cards, and replacing them with a secure solution, they might have a case for "we need six weeks to get rid of the insecure system,and replace it with a secure one. After that, you can publish whatever you want."

If their plan is to keep the insecure system, and try to get the courts to block people from talking about the poor quality of their "security", then they deserve no consideration at all.

It appears they've going for plan B. In which case the court screwed up. The only acceptable response to "you have a security vulnerability" is "how do we close it?" Not "how do we hide it?"
8.11.2008 9:41pm
TJIT (mail):
For the most part I think these exploits need to found and need to be publicized as rapidly as possible. That provides two valuable benefits.

1. It hardens the security

2. It helps people understand the risks of the ever expanding government drive to create databases containing personal information.

Transit card exploits are the tip of the risk iceberg. A hack that would allow someone to pull all of your personal information of of the new passports that store it on RFID is something that presents far more risk to the passport holder.

The fact that the transit authority filed for a restraining order thereby providing a tidal wave of publicity to an utterly obscure presentation shows that they really don't understand security.

Subway presentation is available here Subway defcon presentation

Via a comment at dailypundit Welcome to the Third Millennium,

Interesting comment on the restraining order

All it will guarantee is that the next hack will simply be released anonymously onto black-hat sites with no warnings at all.
8.11.2008 10:26pm
Lior:
@Bruce Hayden:
What are their damages?


Let me guess: you aren't an academic, right? These students were denied the opportunity to advertize themselves on a public stage. Giving a talk is how you get others to read your paper. It's also how you get others to see who you are so they can meet you in person afterward. People don't go to a talk to learn the details (which they will get from the paper or by e-mailing the authors). They go to the talk to see the speaker and to get an idea of whether they should be interested and read the paper / ask for more details / do followup work.

This TRO is stupid exactly because its purpose seems to have been one of spite: to deny the students the intangible benefits of giving their talk without in any way inhibiting the dissemination of their results. In fact, by drawing attention to the paper the TRO served to increase the dissemination.
8.11.2008 10:33pm
Crafty Hunter (www):
It's about the right of the People to speak with each other about anything at all, with any non-violent means, be it sound, light (printed material), or mime. Dressing up attacks on that fundamental human right in sneaky words such as "prosecuting unauthorised access" is a dodge to justify violence from goons with badges. It's just that simple, that clear.

Realistically, the goons are running the circus, with people of semi-to-full light fighting a losing rear-guard action.
8.11.2008 11:58pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) plans to appeal a U.S. District Court order imposing a temporary injunction on a Defcon presentation that would have detailed flaws in the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA) electronic ticketing system.
Huh? I have heard of temporary restraining orders and preliminary injunctions, but temporary injunctions? I should suggest that whoever wrote this review FRCP Rule 65, and in particular, the difference between 65(A) and 65(b).

I think this exceedingly silly. The TRO will likely be expired by the time an appeals court could hear this. The time to appeal is if and when a preliminary (or permanent) injunction is granted.
8.12.2008 12:34am
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
Let me guess: you aren't an academic, right? These students were denied the opportunity to advertize themselves on a public stage. Giving a talk is how you get others to read your paper. It's also how you get others to see who you are so they can meet you in person afterward. People don't go to a talk to learn the details (which they will get from the paper or by e-mailing the authors). They go to the talk to see the speaker and to get an idea of whether they should be interested and read the paper / ask for more details / do followup work.
It didn't say whether or not they were able to talk. But much of their stuff was apparently released before the TRO to the participants, and I have little doubt that this was the talk of the conference, and so anyone even remotely interested is going to have read the stuff they did get out and will read any subsequently released stuff too.

So, I am suggesting that they got more notice this way than if they had been able to do what they originally intended.
This TRO is stupid exactly because its purpose seems to have been one of spite: to deny the students the intangible benefits of giving their talk without in any way inhibiting the dissemination of their results. In fact, by drawing attention to the paper the TRO served to increase the dissemination.
Let me suggest that you are reading more into this than is warranted. Incompetence is a much better explanation than spite.
8.12.2008 12:41am
ReaderY:
It would appear that the District Court is applying the 4th Circuit's Palladin Press case, part of a line of cases holding that solicitation to commit a crime includes providing specific details and context about how the crime can be committed to people likely to commit a crime.

One can argue that for hackers to provide detailed information about how to hack a particular computer security system isn't terribly different from a gay student organization providing peer counseling, which the 4th Circuit, in one the predessecors to the Palladin case, held a state with a sodomy law could prohibit. The grounds would seem similar providing specific details about how to commit an illegal act to people inclined to commit it represents "solicitation" and goes beyond abstract advocacy of the act.

The 4th circuit's view of the solicitation exception has historcally been more expansive than most other circuits. If its view becomes established, it would appear to have a great many other applications.
8.12.2008 2:11am
Visitor Again:
What many here are doing is arguing with facts that the Court does not yet have. It doesn't know that the MTA didn't retain an interest in the passes, that much of this information is already out in the public domain, that this wouldn't enable terrorists, etc. Its job right here is to be safe, rather than sorry, until there is a chance for a preliminary injunction hearing.

No, it's job is to safeguard the first amendment until the party seeking the TRO justifies a prior restraint of expression.

The court may not have the facts at this stage, but that counsels against granting the TRO. The presumption is that a prior restraint of expression may not be justified, and to overcome that presumption, the moving party bears a very heavy burden. Vague and general claims of irreparable harm are insufficient.

If the facts are not known, the courts may not speculate in favor of granting the restraint. If any speculating is to be done, it must be in favor of the first amendment bar on prior restraints.
8.12.2008 3:14am
subpatre (mail):
Bruce Hayden says [The courts'] job right here is to be safe, rather than sorry, until there is a chance for a preliminary injunction hearing.

True, but (blind squirrel) Bruce has no idea what "safe" is. The Constitution is protection, our only shield against despotism and tyranny. Millions of peope suffer and die whan those protections are ignored.

"Safe" means to protect our nation, our Constitution; that is the courts' oath of office, its duty and obligation. It is not the court's place to join MBTA's squeals of horror and indignation at being lampooned.

Crushing civil rights to soothe MBTA is simply and plainly unconstitutional.
8.12.2008 9:30am
xyzzy:
News Update

Yesterday, August 11, 2008, the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MTBA) filed and served a “MOTION to Modify Terms But Not Duration of Temporary Restraining Order”. The motion was accompanied by a declaration and exhibits.

The motion seeks a change to the language of the TRO:

11. The MBTA requests that this language be modified by the inclusion of the term “non-public” as indicated by the bolded-underlined language that follows:
[I]t is hereby ORDERED as follows: … [t]hat the MIT Undergrads are hereby enjoined and restrained, in accordance with Fed. R. Civ. P. 65(b)(2), from providing non-public program, information, software code, or command that would assist another in any material way to circumvent or otherwise attach the security of the Fare Media System.

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8.12.2008 9:33am
Dan Weber (www):
But I don't get who benefits by these guys making it very easy for people to create fraudulent stored-value cards.

They are not making it "very easy," but there is a benefit to discussing these things because doing so helps security practitioners understand how to build effective security systems that work.


When they give the source code to reproduce the checksums, they aren't just demonstrating how easy it is. That means that someone can get a $500 card writer and go into business selling $100 CharlieTickets without having to figure anything else out.

This isn't "proof of concept." This is "how big a splash can we make?"

All it will guarantee is that the next hack will simply be released anonymously onto black-hat sites with no warnings at all.

How do they ride the publicity wave if they do it anonymously?
8.12.2008 10:43am
subpatre (mail):
Dan Weber says ".When they give the source code to reproduce the checksums, they aren't just demonstrating how easy it is. That means that someone can get a $500 card writer and go into business selling $100 CharlieTickets without having to figure anything else out."

Perhaps. Is there any evidence that they were going to do that? No, none at all.

Moving quickly to our next scary story in 'Security Theater':
Uncontrolled people with scissors can quadruple a CharlieTickets value to defraud us-the-public, interfere in commerce, endanger health and welfare, compromise national security, blah, blah Be very afraid.



Will MBTA try an injunction against the Post or against a couple of students? Hmmm...
8.12.2008 11:49am
Fub:
Bruce Hayden wrote at 8.12.2008 12:34am:
Huh? I have heard of temporary restraining orders and preliminary injunctions, but temporary injunctions? I should suggest that whoever wrote this review FRCP Rule 65, and in particular, the difference between 65(A) and 65(b).
I'm not surprised that the InfoWorld reporter garbled terms of art. However, I expect the MBTA motion reported by xyzzy at 8.12.2008 9:33am will change any prospective EFF action anyway.
I think this exceedingly silly. ...
Not nearly as silly as the MBTA in the new motion xyzzy cites. According to pleadings the MBTA only wants to silence them until the MBTA can
... understand what sensitive information – if any – the MIT Undergrads may (or may not) have learned through their conduct ...
They are in effect arguing that their own ineptitude at understanding the information already made public should trump 1st Amendment rights until they can understand even more information. They apparently believe that they can enjoin dissemination of "sensitive" information that is readily available to anybody who purchases a "smartcard" -- all under the aegis of a possibly inapplicable federal statute.

At least by legend in the 20th century, MIT hackers made two successful exploits against the MBTA predecessor agency, the MTA. They thermite welded a trolley to its tracks, and they slid an MTA train braking for Kendall Square station halfway to Central Square. Either exploit could have been legally enjoined readily, and actually prevented had MTA learned of it in time.

In the present case any "damage" has either already been done, or is unpreventable practically even with a permanent injunction. Yet, now the MBTA isn't sure whether to believe they've been pwned. That is beyond silly.
8.12.2008 12:01pm
Dan Weber (www):
Perhaps. Is there any evidence that they were going to do that? No, none at all.

One student had the source code up on their www.mit.edu website. It's gone now, so I can't check precisely what was there. But, unless they took some special obfuscation steps, then, yes, they did indeed give out the source code so that anyone with a $500 card reader could manufacture arbitrary CharlieTickets.

Now, if they showed this to the MBTA and the MBTA said "so what?," then I think they're clear ethically.

Full moral reasoning often doesn't develop until the mid-20's, and I know at MIT that sometimes you get people who are very smart but lack common sense. So it's easy to imagine that the little voice in their head that asked "wait, could someone be harmed by this?" was easily shouted down by the hopping little bunny saying "WHO CARES? THIS WILL BE COOL!"

6.001, the introductory EECS class at MIT, used to have a unit on ethics. The class has changed a lot recently, into an online format, so maybe students just skip over it now.
8.12.2008 1:26pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
I just read the new motion by the transit authority, and the change they are asking for is to limit the suppressed information to nonpublic information. That may go a little way to alleviate EV's question as to whether it is too broad.

Nevertheless, the EFF, representing the MIT students, has moved to dismiss the TRO. And this is how it should be. TROs are temporary by their very nature. The next step is to have a preliminary hearing for the Court to try to judge whether the MBTA or the EFF appears to have the better case.
8.12.2008 1:50pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
True, but (blind squirrel) Bruce has no idea what "safe" is. The Constitution is protection, our only shield against despotism and tyranny. Millions of peope suffer and die whan those protections are ignored.

"Safe" means to protect our nation, our Constitution; that is the courts' oath of office, its duty and obligation. It is not the court's place to join MBTA's squeals of horror and indignation at being lampooned.

Crushing civil rights to soothe MBTA is simply and plainly unconstitutional.
Ad hominem attacks typically show a weakness in your own arguments. And, no, it is not plainly unconstitutional. As I pointed out above, courts can and do grant TROs and preliminary injunctions for trade secret cases every day, and if they can get the courts to view it that way, they have a decent chance.

My guess though is that the MTBA is going to have more problems with the facts than with the theory. Is there really that much left undisclosed that cannot be otherwise reverse engineered or otherwise figured out? They seem to be a bit behind the ball throughout.
8.12.2008 1:58pm
subpatre (mail):
Dan Weber worries "One student had the source code up on their www.mit.edu website. It's gone now, so I can't check precisely what was there."

So you have NO EVIDENCE of anything. What part of NO EVIDENCE has to be repeated until you understand it? Good grief!

The phrase "source code" means almost nothing (technically the phrase means so many things, the end effect means nothing in particular) and adding "the source code" means nothing either.


Ethics? You blab about ethics when you would strip civil rights on the possibility of crime? You have no shame.
8.12.2008 2:16pm
Dan Weber (www):
So you have NO EVIDENCE of anything. What part of NO EVIDENCE has to be repeated until you understand it? Good grief!
You're cute.

I did RTFA, which said:
(On the other hand, the source code to the utilities--not included on the CD--was removed from web.mit.edu/zacka/www/subway/ by Saturday morning.)

Now, maybe this isn't EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF LAW OMFGBBQ!!!11, but I think that it's a reasonable assumption to say that, yes, the students had the source code to the utilities up on MIT's website. Is it possible that Declan is wrong? Yes, yes it is. But for the standards of an Internet fight I have provided a source that says they provided the source code to the utilities. I know this won't make every single person happy, but that's fine, because some people are incorrigible.

you would strip civil rights on the possibility of crime?
Fortunately I did no such thing.
8.12.2008 2:48pm
subpatre (mail):
Bruce Hayden writes "As I pointed out above, courts can and do grant TROs and preliminary injunctions for trade secret cases every day, and if they can get the courts to view it that way, they have a decent chance."

Uh, Bruce ... what trade secret does MBTA claim? Where does it make a trade secret claim? I can't find any claims, leaving 'none' and 'nowhere'.

MBTA does use trade secret cases to show --exactly like Bruce-- that courts have squelched speech. But they do not make the claim (which they must) that there is a trade secret.

Many people think the First Amendment is 'important' except when something really important happens, like a couple of dollars in 'real' damages. In contrast, our Founders thought the First Amendment was more important than trade secrets. They refused to ratify the Constitution with it's patent and copyright provisions until they were assured these parts --these Amendments-- would NEVER be violated without just cause.

The court's role is to protect people under the Constitution, our only shield against despotism and tyranny. Without this protection non-elected Authorites will willy-nilly sue for imaginary wrongs ... like they are currently being defended by Bruce for doing.
8.12.2008 3:05pm
subpatre (mail):
Dan Weber writes "I have provided a source that says they provided the source code to the utilities"

No, you provided a source that says source code used "in the process of researching these attacks" was on the website. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate material to aid attacks on any system was ever offered. No evidence.

The MIT students never claimed any "utilities" in any form; that is a Weber invention. The students do say --in a paper not intended for public consumption-- "We have purposely omitted detail of this checksum in any public disclosures ..."

What is ironic is that you --Dan Weber-- used source code many times already, uploading it onto Volokh's website computer in order to compile and run it.

Your continued use of the phrase "source code" as a scare tactic just shows you've watched too much SecurityTheater(tm).
8.12.2008 4:05pm
Dan Weber (www):
Again, I was quoting the article that was linked to at the head of this very page. Perhaps Declan is full of shit; it wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last.

If the students think I'm libeling them, they're free to sue me. They can find me in the Alumni Directory.
8.12.2008 4:28pm
subpatre (mail):
MBTA was the right victim for students to hack. The transportation authority was recipient of a 2006 Muzzle Award for their anti-photography policy, enforced against amateur photographers. Following the Award, there is no written policy, leaving T personnel free to make up their own rules. Photographers may also apply for one-month permits, which, of course, the MBTA is free to reject.

MBTA picked the right court. US District Court judge Douglas Woodlock is a previous (2005) recipient of another Muzzle Award for his role in approving of the razor-wire-enhanced protest pen outside the Democratic National Convention.
"But if there were a single symbol of what went wrong, it was surely the actions of US District Court judge Douglas Woodlock. It would be bad enough if he just didn’t get it. Woodlock’s stance was worse than that: Through his words, he demonstrated that he understood perfectly what an affront the pen was to freedom of expression. And through his deeds, he showed that he didn’t care."

..."I at first thought, before taking a view, that the characterization of the space being like a concentration camp was litigation hyperbole," he said. "Now I believe it’s an understatement." Incredibly, the judge then turned around and approved the pen ..." -- Phoenix
8.12.2008 5:34pm
neurodoc:
Fub: "At least by legend in the 20th century, MIT hackers made two successful exploits against the MBTA predecessor agency, the MTA. They thermite welded a trolley to its tracks..."

That's my alma mater! (Aafia Siddiqui's too?! But the Unibomber, Ted K, was Harvard's pride.) While it wasn't a true hack, MIT undergrads also tested their intellectual capacities (and sitzfleish) against another rail system, the NYC subway system, in a practical demonstration of the traveling salesman problem, establishing that it was possible to ride the length of every subway line in the system within a space of 24 hours.

Dan Weber, what year and what Course? Back when it really was Hell, or after they got soft and made everything pass/fail the first year? (Me - Course XIV in the long ago days of Julie Stratton and Freddie Fasset.)
8.12.2008 11:14pm
Dan Weber (www):
Course VI, MEng '98. Not the hardcode Hell at that point, as we were down to a rate of only 1 suicide a year, which the administration seemed fine with until a few of them made the national news and they started panicking.

I think they've modified Pass/Fail, too. You have a certain number you can use at any point in your education, not just freshmen year.
8.13.2008 12:43am
Fub:
neurodoc wrote at 8.12.2008 11:14pm:
(Me - Course XIV in the long ago days of Julie Stratton and Freddie Fasset.)
Screwed right to the wall, eh?

Dan Weber wrote at 8.13.2008 12:43am:
Course VI, MEng '98. Not the hardcode Hell at that point, ...
Uh oh. Who's teaching 6.01 these days? Loved the way Bose taught it.

VIII here, with a bunch of XXI on the side. Seventeen hundred was too damned much in those days, but the buffet was all you can eat. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
8.13.2008 3:25am
xyzzy:
News Update

The MIT students have responded and cross-moved for reconsideration. Their motion is accompanied by Hoffman declaration and exhibits and Granick declaration.

Hearing is set for Thursday, August 14, 2008.
8.13.2008 7:23am
Curt Fischer:
More fun:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10016114-83.html

Check out the email exchange between the EFF lawyers and the MBTA lawyers. The EFF thinks the MBTA made a big security booboo when they included a "confidential" report from the MIT kids to the MBTA in court documents, thereby rendering it public information.

[The report characterizes the checksum (and generating algorithm) on CharlieTicket cards as "weak" and "only 6 bits long", information which is omitted from the Defcon slides. The exact nature of the current algorithm is not disclosed in the report, but it does note that "[an attacker] only has to generate and try 64 different cards to find a working forgery".]
8.13.2008 10:00am
neurodoc:
Fub: "Seventeen hundred was too damned much in those days, but the buffet was all you can eat."

My goodness, were you one of those people "rioting" at Julie's front door in protest of the bump in tuition to $1700? (That's so long ago that I'm not sure whether it was $1700 per semester or per year. I think the latter, though hard to believe.)

Dan Weber: "...we were down to a rate of only 1 suicide a year, which the administration seemed fine with until a few of them made the national news and they started panicking."

Oh, we had a substantially greater drop-out rate than a measly 1 per year. (Not as many as Cornell, though, with people "gorging out" there.) And some were quite public about it, e.g., jumping onto Storrow Drive from the top of BU Law. Yeah, those were the days.
8.13.2008 10:33am
neurodoc:
BTW, 40 years ago, it wasn't about MTA fare cards, since those were well over the horizon then. Instead, telephone hacking was the thing. MIT students made notable contributions to that not so legal endeavor, the forerunner to more modern cyber mischief.
8.13.2008 10:38am
Lior:
@Bruce Hayden:
I have little doubt that this was the talk of the conference


I'd have major doubts. You underestimate the security community. Looking at the website, other talks included: " a new ... attack tool for exploiting web applications that use cleartext HTTP ... We'll demonstrate attacks on online banking as well as Gmail, LinkedIn, LiveJournal and Facebook. We'll also compromise computers and an iPhone by subverting their software installation and update process", "Deciphering Captcha" (100% effective), and "Compromising Windows Based Internet Kiosks". Unlike the three speakers I noted, the MIT students didn't implement any exploits: they just read the cards and tickets using off-the-shelf equipment, interpreted the results using existing research, and theorized about attacks that may be possible. Their presentation was carefully scrubbed of details that might in fact help attackers.

@Bruce Hayden:
the new motion ... [is] asking ... to limit the suppressed information to nonpublic information.


Since every bit of information the students have is "public", I'm not sure what this means. Whatever information they didn't get from others they created themselves. There is no claim that they obtained any secret information directly from the MBTA. They did nothing that a general member of the public couldn't do.

The only sensible interpretation I can make of this modification is the MBTA believes that publishing security research is wrong, but once someone gets away with publishing certain results then others republishing these particular results can't be prevented.
8.13.2008 12:05pm
Fub:
neurodoc wrote at 8.13.2008 10:33am:
My goodness, were you one of those people "rioting" at Julie's front door in protest of the bump in tuition to $1700?
Do I look like the kind of guy who would attend a riot? Don't answer that!
... e.g., jumping onto Storrow Drive from the top of BU Law. Yeah, those were the days.
Yeah, very high drop out rate. Summer after frosh year IIRC one of my TAs used the Sylvia Plath method. Few years later I and my blue book got thoroughly blood splattered at a VIII final. That was somebody's zealous fingernail chewing, not mine. Frosh quad roomie also base jumped sans rig, but after graduation.

I wasn't the model of serenity in those days, but those events did give me some perspective about what's important.

There's a very nice mp3 of original Screwed Right to the Wall and other stuff here. Link to the whole WTBS magilla and more on the page too.

And w.r.t. your 10:38am, that involved a lot more social engineering than later methods. One of the early tech phone hack pioneers died a couple years ago of natural causes. I didn't know him until working with him professionally years after those days.
8.13.2008 1:03pm

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