Reason Symposium on Heller:

Reason magazine has an interesting symposium on DC v. Heller, featuring several leading experts on gun rights including my GMU colleague Joyce Malcolm and the VC's own David Kopel and Randy Barnett. Significantly, most of the symposium participants agree that the true impact of Heller will largely be determined in follow-up litigation that will decide the scope of the individual right to bear arms declared by the Court. As I explained in this post, a narrowly defined constitutional right may not be much different from no right at all.

Originalism Is Useful (mail):
At least Heller is better than Kelo.
6.28.2008 2:17am
Ilya Somin:
At least Heller is better than Kelo.

I don't deny that it is.
6.28.2008 2:37am
phantomgourmand (www):
I don't share Prof. Somin's pessimistic view of Heller. Unlike the Court's opinions in Lopez and Lucas, the Heller opinion did not contain much in the way of backtracking or language designed to soften its harder edges. Rather, the Court strongly implied that gun prohibitions beyond those it discussed are presumptively unconstitutional (see, e.g., the majority's citation to fn 4 of Carolene Products). I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens, but it looks to me as though the Heller Court gave a much more robust defense of gun rights than the Lopez or Lucas Courts did with respect to property rights.
6.28.2008 10:04am
chiefbreakevryting:
My thoughts are closest to Jacob Sullum's:


The Court indicates that laws regulating the sale of firearms and prohibiting concealed carry, gun ownership by "felons and the mentally ill," possession of "unusual and dangerous weapons" (as opposed to weapons in common use for lawful purposes), and possession of firearms in "sensitive places" such as schools and government buildings are consistent with the Second Amendment.


I posted yesterday that I thought that Scalia's language at the bottom of page 52 of the slip opinion was the key to an elegant theory of application of the Second Amendment. The phrase "in common use for lawful purposes" suggests a guide for determining the extent of the right that avoids obnoxious balancing tests and varying degrees of scrutiny, etc.

One can interpret Scalia's language to set out the parameters of protected gun ownership: Individuals have a right to own and maintain in their homes arms that are commonly used for lawful purposes, and which may serve as the expedient arms of an emergently mustering militia. This creates an elegant guide because the "lawful purposes" are relatively identifiable: self defense, hunting, sport shooting, controlling animal predators, and such. By linking the scope of the Second Amendment to a "lawful purpose" it becomes quite easy to justify bans on hand grenades, machine guns, claymore mines, and shaped charges. The lawful purposes of such weapons would be suspicious. Courts would not have to balance the public utility of permitting ownership of these weapons against the potential harm; they would simply have to find that the weapons are not "in common use for lawful purposes."

Since Scalia specifically mentioned the right of self defense, any regulation that would prevent persons from using those types of firearms that are commonly used for that purpose would be void. This should be a straightforward determination regardless of the level of scrutiny applied. The cosmetic regulations that were so easily neutered in the assault weapons ban would be irrelevant, since it would be the function, rather than the appearance that mattered.

Once the inquiry has satisfied that a weapon is of the type commonly kept for lawful purposes, ancillary schemes to limit the right to such weapons, such as conditioning ownership on the discretionary approval of a government official, would be prima facie void.

The key to firearm jurisprudence and protection of the right keep and bear arms would be faithful deference to the traditional "lawful purposes" for which firearms are useful. Such purposes are part of the historical record and are largely common sense, so it should be expected that they would define a floor, below which legislatures could not impose. Attempting to limit guns by limiting the "lawful purposes" for which they are used should fail under Scalia's reasoning because the defining purposes were those necessarily incorporated into the Second Amendment when it was adopted. The list of relevant purposes should expand, rather than contract, over time.
6.28.2008 11:56am
ChrisIowa (mail):

This creates an elegant guide because the "lawful purposes" are relatively identifiable: self defense, hunting, sport shooting, controlling animal predators, and such.


The problem is that some future congress could make "self defense, hunting, sport shooting, controlling animal predators, and such" illegal. And thereafter make the tool used for the no-longer-legal purpose (guns) illegal. So such a guide would offer no protection at all.
6.28.2008 2:41pm
chiefbreakevryting:
Chris, read my last paragraph:


Attempting to limit guns by limiting the "lawful purposes" for which they are used should fail under Scalia's reasoning because the defining purposes were those necessarily incorporated into the Second Amendment when it was adopted.
6.28.2008 3:03pm
Ilya Somin:
I don't share Prof. Somin's pessimistic view of Heller. Unlike the Court's opinions in Lopez and Lucas, the Heller opinion did not contain much in the way of backtracking or language designed to soften its harder edges.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. However, the Heller opinion does state that the following are presumptively valid:


"longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."


That certainly sounds like "language designed to soften its harder edges" to me.
6.28.2008 4:46pm
Originalism Is Useful (mail):

That certainly sounds like "language designed to soften its harder edges" to me.



But, where are the harder edges? Who wants open carry in schools and government buildings? (Mass murderers.) Who wants violent felons having guns? (Violent felons.) Who wants mentally disturbed people with guns? (Mentally disturbed people.) And who wants a totally unrestricted free-market of gun sales? (Nobody.)

This is called "taking the crazy left-wing scare-tactics off the table".
6.28.2008 6:22pm
Kirk:
Who wants open carry in schools and government buildings? (Mass murderers.)
Complete nonsense. Open (and concealed) carry by permit holders on college campuses is completely legal in Utah; open (and concealed) carry by permit holders in state and local government offices is completely legal in Oregon.

And who wants a totally unrestricted free-market of gun sales? (Nobody.)
More nonsense. The secondary private market in gun sales is already mostly unrestricted in most states. For example, here in WA I have an obligation not to sell a firearm to someone I know is a prohibited person, but absolutely no duty to research whether my potential customer is in fact such a prohibited person if I don't already know.
6.28.2008 8:33pm
Originalism Is Useful (mail):
Kirk,

I should have been clearer. Who wants that constitutionalized? No one. It's a state law issue.
6.28.2008 11:15pm
Kirk:
OIU,

Ah. I see.

Well, maybe so--but I'd rather "take the crazy left-wing scare-tactics off the table" by showing the potentially-scareable that a lot of the "scary" things already are the law in many places and nothing bad has resulted.
6.29.2008 12:54am