The Volokh Conspiracy

A Problem A Lot of Law Professors Would Like To Have:
If your very first law review article is not only cited and but actually relied on by a majority opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (see slip op. at 13), what do you do for an encore? After you're done talking to Nina Totenberg, that is. (Congrats again, Erica!)

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Mike& (mail):
Do you think it's a legit to make someone who is not competent to represent himself nonetheless stand trial? That is: Is someone who is not competent to represent himself really competent to stand trial?

I know the distinction. What I am asking is whether whether this distinction make sense?
6.19.2008 8:44pm
Dan Simon (mail) (www):

the vast majority of pro se felony defendants - nearly 80% - displayed no signs of mental illness.
I don't have time to read the full paper--does it provide the crucial corresponding figure for appointed counsel?
6.19.2008 9:19pm
krs:
Well, it was a 7-2 decision, so there's room for improvement in the encore.

Is it more impressive to write something that a 9-0 majority relies on, or is it more impressive to write 2 articles, one of which a 5-justice majority relies on and the other of which a 4-justice dissent relies on in the same case?

The other option is to strike while the iron is hot an negotiate for early tenure. ("It'll only get better from here, so you'd better lock me in before Yale makes me an offer.")
6.19.2008 9:29pm
OrinKerr:
I don't have time to read the full paper--does it provide the crucial corresponding figure for appointed counsel?

The vast majority of appointed counsel - nearly 80% - displayed no signs of mental illness.

(rimshot)
6.19.2008 9:31pm
A Law Dawg:
As someone who took Professor Hashimoto twice, I am glad to report she actually bothers to teach and is well regarded by her students, despite her . . . rigorous exams.
6.19.2008 11:19pm
OrinKerr:
I'll bet you wouldn't find those exams so hard if you were a Double Dawg.
6.19.2008 11:25pm
TruePath (mail) (www):
Whoa I'm kinda concerned that the supremes reliead on this article in their deciscion. As the law review actually warns it can't prove any causal relation at all. In fact I would be worried that people might choose to go pro se because they feel they shouldn't need a lawyer if they are innocent.

Really we need an independent estimation of the strength of the evidence to make this call.
6.20.2008 12:26am
Roger Schlafly (www):
It is a little scary that Breyer was prepared to zero out a constitutional right based on one law review article describing how crazy the North Carolina criminal defendants are.
6.20.2008 2:25am
Runawayem:
Roger, the law review article presents the results of an empirical study based on data from databases concerning pro se felony defendants in federal courts and (all) state courts, not just NC.

And though I think it fair to be concerned about the practice of determining the scope of constitutional rights based on empirical data as a general matter, that is not what happened here. Rather, Prof. Hashimoto's article provided a reasoned rebuttal (though the case did not rest on it, of course) to the position advanced by Indiana and others, largely based on speculation and anecdotal evidence, that pro se felony defendants necessarily litigated to their detriment vis a vis represented felony defendants. Here, empiricism served to undercut an argument seeking to limit a constitutional right based on unscientifically tested assumptions, the latter being a far more scary basis for defining the scope of an important constitutional right.

In any event, kudos to Prof. Hashimoto for directly and substantively aiding the Court in the development of the law as well as demonstrating that law review articles are not slipping into jurisprudential oblivion.
6.20.2008 8:33am
A Law Dawg:
Orin wrote:

I'll bet you wouldn't find those exams so hard if you were a Double Dawg.


I see your exposure to Double Dawgs is fairly limited.

A more likely boon to my exam performance would have been choosing not to read the Conspiracy during Evidence.
6.20.2008 10:32am
David M. Nieporent (www):
the vast majority of pro se felony defendants - nearly 80% - displayed no signs of mental illness.
Well, no signs except for wanting to represent themselves.
6.20.2008 10:43am
Bill Twist:
David M. Nieporent:

the vast majority of pro se felony defendants - nearly 80% - displayed no signs of mental illness.

Well, no signs except for wanting to represent themselves.



Spoken like a true lawyer.

I had to finish the adoption of my son pro se, because our lawyer was incompetent.

We all like to think that we are special because we have this degree, or that license, or this certificate, but the truth of the matter is that incompetent people abound in all professions. While I wouldn't perform surgery on myself, I'd certainly consider representing myself in court, depending on my options for a criminal defense lawyer.
6.20.2008 11:52am
David in San Diego (mail):
How did feel to be have the Agony (Interview by Totenberg) and the Ecstasy (Cited by SCOTUS) in such a short period?

And in reverse too!
6.20.2008 1:49pm
ronnie dobbs (mail):
As a former editor of the North Carolina Law Review, kudos to the current board for picking Prof. Hashimoto's article.
6.20.2008 2:36pm
KWC (mail):
This is what happens when the Supreme Court's reasoning is SO off that they have to resort to "empirical analysis" from a law review article to support their awful, awful opinion published in a low-tier journal.
6.20.2008 6:51pm
TRE:
Further congratulations to Prof. Hashimoto for being able to slow down enough to be understood clearly on the broadcast. :)
6.20.2008 11:27pm