Commencement Speaker Controversies:

We are now into the annual rite of spring of commencement speaker controversies: Jerry Springer at Northwestern Law School and Justice Clarence Thomas at the University of Georgia.

If you ask me, they oughta try to switch 'em around because it seems to me that based on their low-class behavior, the protesting UGA faculty deserves to have Jerry Springer as their Commencement speaker.

common sense (www):
Glad to see that professors at Georgia believe in innocent until proven guilty. Oh wait- its tarred for life if accused. Having any SCOTUS Justice talk at your school is an honor, and to attack one like this for alleged behavior that happened more than a few years ago is ridiculous. How does the administration's behavior indicate an intentional marginalization of sexual harassment? Isn't it far more likely that: we have an open invitation to speak with one of our state's most famous sons, he can accept this year, lets put him on. Sounds much simpler than: we have problems with sexual harassment, which speaker can we invite to undermine the whole process? Some people are really silly.
4.26.2008 9:18am
Gaius Marius:
I would rather see the porn star, Kendra Jade, that Jerry Springer shacked up with as the commencement speaker instead of him.
4.26.2008 9:33am
~aardvark (mail):
hmmm... you might be right about UGA.

But does Northwestern deserve Thomas?
4.26.2008 9:36am
Law Dawg:
The actions of the faculty and several of the studenets at UGA has been embarassing. UGA should be proud to have someone of Justice Thomas' caliber speak at commencement. Additionally, these professors need to remember that commencement is for the students, and not an opportunity for professors to protest.
4.26.2008 9:43am
another U[sic]GA student:
It's not surprising that U[sic]GA is having these problems. We are, after all, a minor league sports program with a university division. I doubt half the undergrad students here know who he is. 48% of the student body is too busy majoring in sports and rec management or consumer sciences (home economics).

Ask anyone here which comes first: academics or athletics. Hence, it's no surprise that moonbat faculty members don't like the guy.
4.26.2008 10:12am
Bama 1L:
I suppose there is a right to controvert commencement speaker choices, but isn't it mere ritual; i.e., a rite?
4.26.2008 10:13am
Zywicki (mail):
Bama 1L:
Doh! (Insert sound of Zywicki slapping forehead)
4.26.2008 10:25am
Geo (mail) (www):
Rumor has it, that the faculty at Furman University is planning to turn their backs to the President when he gives his commencement address on May 31.
4.26.2008 10:35am
Gaius Marius:
Never heard of Furman University. Is it in the same league as Faber College?
4.26.2008 10:38am
MarkJ (mail):
Rumor has it, that the faculty at Furman University is planning to turn their backs to the President when he gives his commencement address on May 31.

If this rumor is true, the Furman faculty will merely display, for all to see, what passes for "sophisticated intellectual discourse" in its self-selected, navel-gazing plane of existence.

Q: What's the definition of a Ph.D.?
A: Someone who is educated far and above their actual level of intelligence.
4.26.2008 10:54am
MikeTheLibrarian (mail):
As a low ranking faculty member of UGA, this is a disgrace on the university. To have a Supreme Court Justice speak at the university is an honor, especially one with as impressive a record and writing style as Justice Thomas. The students who are protesting are most likely being urged into it by a few trouble making teachers, egging them on with vague notions of "sexual harassment" and the dreaded "conservative". Since these are modern students, they very likely weren't taught about what went on during Justice Thomas' confirmation hearings. I sure wasn't. I had to go find sources myself. Remember that this year's Freshman were all of about 3 years old when this happened. I also wonder how aware these students are that they are protesting the man who was the second African-American SCJustice? Fortunately, President Adams has reiterated his support for Justice Thomas' commencement address, and I'll certainly be going to see it.
4.26.2008 11:26am
karl (mail):
If you think UGA is loony, scientifically prestigious Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh has invited Al Gore to speak at its commencement.
4.26.2008 11:27am
~aardvark: But does Northwestern deserve Thomas?
Jerry Springer is certainly an eyebrowing raising choice as a commencement speaker. When asking what Northwestern does or does not deserve, though, bear in mind that Bernardine Dohrn is a professor of law there, and Arthur Butz, the well-known Holocaust denier, a professor of engineering.
4.26.2008 11:34am
Obi's Sister (mail) (www):
MikeTheLibrarian - My thoughts exactly. A few brainwashed students, hoodwinked by profs with personal agendas.
4.26.2008 11:45am
Obi's Sister (mail) (www):
As for the Furman protest, is this rumor or fact? We WERE planning on sending our son to their excellent soccer camp this summer...
4.26.2008 11:52am
bjr03 (mail):
No controversy here: Catholic University is pleased to have Justice Alito as our commencement speaker.
4.26.2008 12:15pm
Scott Forster (mail):
I am a UGA law grad. I will be ashamed of my university if they force Justice Thomas out. It is an honor to have him speak. I do think that all those who are protesting and complaining about his presence would not feel the same way if he thought the US Constitution mandated legalized baby killing.
4.26.2008 12:25pm
Arthur Butz, the well-known Holocaust denier, a professor of engineering.

What's wrong with that? It's not like engineers go to class to learn about the Holocaust. While Holocaust denial is more out there than pretty much anything else, I would hate to think that anyone on a conservative blog, in a post about how universities are applying ideological tests to commencement speakers, would even think to apply an ideological test to the hiring of professors.
4.26.2008 1:07pm
funky chicken (mail):

Jerry Springer is certainly an eyebrowing raising choice as a commencement speaker. When asking what Northwestern does or does not deserve, though, bear in mind that Bernardine Dohrn is a professor of law there, and Arthur Butz, the well-known Holocaust denier, a professor of engineering.

Dang, somebody got there first. I do have to ask, did Ayers's father get Butz his job too?

You might want to look into the Clemson U soccer camp instead. They do a great job, beautiful campus, nice dining facility that the campers enjoy.
4.26.2008 1:11pm
Mr. X (www):
American got Breyer. No protests as far as I know.
4.26.2008 1:28pm
andy (mail) (www):

Rather than sparking debates about Thomas's jurisprudence or his politics, though, the announcement has led to a flurry of criticisms drawing parallels between the allegations made at the associate justice's infamous 1991 Senate confirmation hearings — during which a former employee, Anita Hill, testified that he'd sexually harassed her — and more recent accusations of sexually suggestive behavior on campus that have led to a broad mandate to overhaul the way the university handles such cases.

I wonder if the same protests would apply to a visit by Bill Clinton, whose philandering has been proven.
4.26.2008 1:41pm
Reinhold (mail):
Protesting a Supreme Court Justice speaking at your graduation seems sophomoric to me. The ABA should investigate whether UGA's professors are competent to prepare future lawyers. I'm confident they could probably listen to a few torts CDs and teach what needs to be taught, though. So the investigation should begin immediately . . .
4.26.2008 1:43pm
EH (mail):
Let's all hope Mr. Springer takes the opportunity to reinforce good check-writing practices.
4.26.2008 1:45pm
Geo (mail) (www):
Obi's Sister:
Furman probably has one of the most politically diverse faculties for such a high ranking liberal arts schools. I can think of several professors who flat out to me they were Republicans, and a few others I had suspicions about. However, there is a very vocal liberal group of professors there. I imagine this is the group that is spearheading this protest effort.

The latest on the rumor mill is that the President of Furman threatened some form of retaliation to any professors who "disrupted" the ceremony. Now these professors are apparently just choosing not to attend.
4.26.2008 1:45pm
vassil petrov (mail):
A couple of years ago Commencement Speaker at my University (St. Kliment of Ohrid University at Sofia) was the then President of the Supreme Court, who looked pretty sober (something not very characteristic of him). Actually the tradition here is for numerous people to address the crowd and every single faculty member's name to be announced to the students. Some get lukewarm greeting, but some get very adoring applauses. Funny it's almost always those that teach Roman Law or Criminal Procedure.
4.26.2008 2:12pm
bjr03--True. But I'm concerned about the direction of hiring in Arts and Sciences. You have to get rid of O'Connell before he sells the farm. Not a bad guy, but too much of a company man. Like Jenkins at Notre Dame. By the time he figures out what's happening at the college-level, the damage will be done.
4.26.2008 3:57pm
The faculty at my wife's undergrad alma mater--a Jesuit institution--went ape-shit before the start of the Iraq War. We were on campus when the History Faculty were featured in the campus paper for their hostility to the upcoming war.

What was so disturbing was the lack of context, nuance, or analysis in their comments. Just pathetic diatribes.

(And, for the record, I opposed the war.)
4.26.2008 4:01pm
Wayne Jarvis:
We had Harry Reid speak at our law school graduation ('05 GW). The school was excited about it because he is an alum, and everyone expected him to deliver a real "rah rah" address.

Well... it turns out that had been holding a 30-some year grudge against the school based on some perceived slight he received from a now long-retired dean. Anyhow, he decided that our graduation ceremony was the perfect forum to air all of this dirty laundry. Of course his "message" was he was learning to forgive and be the bigger man (gag). (Never mind that he just ran some poor guy through the mud in an effort to be the "bigger man.")

Worst. Address. Ever.

Looking back at it, the look on the faculties' faces were priceless. And its not too often that a graduation address ends with one of the deans having to race to microphone to defend the reputation of a former colleague.

My two points:

(1) Harry Reid really is a shameless, petty jackass.

(2) Graduation speakers get a whole lot worse than Jerry Springer.
4.26.2008 4:09pm
"it turns out that had been holding a 30-some year grudge against the school based on some perceived slight he received from a now long-retired dean."

Oh no . . .

That NEVER makes for a good commencement speech.

As Churchill wrote to a (former) rival upon returning to power in a time of national crisis:
"As far as I am concerned, the past is dead."

Best to take inspiration from the great men instead of the petty.
4.26.2008 4:17pm
Old33 (mail):
As a Northwestern Law Alum ('02), I am not at all concerned that Jerry Springer ('68) will be the graduation speaker.

During my second year of law school, Springer came and spoke to the school at a lunchtime event that packed the largest room on campus. He was engaging, articulate, and intelligent, and spent his time addressing the First Amendment and public policy. While many of the questions were focused on his show (which he referred to as a ridiculous show), Springer himself attempted to keep his comments on loftier fare.

I suspect that his graduation address will be substantive and will surprise most in attendance. And it will certainly be more interesting than my NU Law graduation speaker - Dale Bumpers, Class of 1952.
4.26.2008 4:31pm
Dilan Esper (mail) (www):
I am in favor of both speakers. I can't stand Thomas' jurisprudence, but academia is supposed to be about bringing people in with diverse views, so that shouldn't count for anything. He's also a very inspirational story, whatever you think of the guy-- he went from Pin Point, GA and Jim Crow to the Supreme Court. Finally, I have heard from people (including other liberals) who have seen Thomas at academic events and they report that he is a captivating personal presence.

I'm also in favor of Springer. This may look silly, but graduations are about the students. If Springer will keep them entertained and say something lighthearted that the students might enjoy, what's the problem?
4.26.2008 4:38pm
theobromophile (www):
Who in their right mind complains about having a Supreme Court justice speak at their law school graduation? I'm about as conservative as they come, but I would think that it pretty cool to have, say, Stevens or RBG give a speech here. At least you get your fifteen minutes of star-gazing, and you'll remember who spoke at your Commencement for the rest of your life.

My alma mater (undergrad) invited Bush '41 to speak around the time of the start of the Iraq war. The super-intellectual students decided to protest... in a manner than made national news. Because, ya know, it's offensive to bring in a former President when his son is, in their opinion, leading us into an unjust war. We had police in riot gear, snipers on the roof, and, of course, the disruptions during the speech... all in the name of the First Amendment (which, apparently, is enforceable against private universities who use money donated from a trustee for one particular event?). When Bill Clinton came in the year before, the lefty campus fawned all over him. When Colin Powell came in '01, they screamed during his speech and called him a murderer. Really charming folks.

I sincerely hope that the law students at UGA have the class to not disrupt the commencement. Their peers spent several years of hell to get their diplomas; there is no need to ruin the occasion.
4.26.2008 5:34pm
bjr03 (mail):
Hoosier: You may be right, but he's done a lot over the recent years to raise the profile of the school, which has only benefited the law school.
4.26.2008 6:04pm
Elliot Reed (mail):
Springer sounds like a much better commencement speaker than Thomas to me. Springer may actually say something interesting, while Thomas will probably give an excruciatingly dull (to this audience) talk about the majesty of the law or something like that.

Our graduation speaker this year is a professor of tax law. He's supposed to be a great prof, but this is still a man who's spent his life contemplating the tax code. I am not optimistic.
4.26.2008 9:57pm
MXE (mail):
I wonder if the same protests would apply to a visit by Bill Clinton, whose philandering has been proven.

Heh, my thoughts exactly. You beat me to it.

They're just looking for a more (dare I say it?) politically correct excuse to protest, since even on college campuses, "conservative race traitor" isn't a phrase you can bandy about in polite company.
4.26.2008 10:01pm

I wonder if the same protests would apply to a visit by Bill Clinton, whose philandering has been proven.

Heh, my thoughts exactly. You beat me to it.

They're just looking for a more (dare I say it?) politically correct excuse to protest, since even on college campuses, "conservative race traitor" isn't a phrase you can bandy about in polite company.

Exactly. If memory serves, Anita Hill was once asked whether Bill Clinton deserved to be condemned by feminists for the way he treats women. She said no. because you have to look at the 'totality' of his presidency, which was generally good on women's issues, or something like that. That is to say, "but he's a Democrat. They're for women. I don't understand what confuses you."
4.26.2008 10:10pm
Syd Henderson (mail):
I wouldn't mind having Justice Scalia as a commencement speaker even though I strongly disagree with him about a lot of issues. He's intelligent and would probably be very interesting. I'm not sure Thomas would be, but I could be surprised.

Robert Bork would be even better, even though I'm relieved he failed to make the Supreme Court.

I listened to Sandra Day O'Connor once. She's very good.
4.27.2008 1:32am
~aardvark (mail):
A couple of minor points. I think all of you are misreading (if you are reading at all) the reason for the Thomas opposition at UGA. It's not based on ideology. So most of the comments here are really off the mark.

But it may be worse. The faculty don't want Thomas there because UGA just went through a couple of high-profile sexual harassment cases and the connection "Sexual harassment"-->"Thomas" bothers them. Never mind that the connection never went beyond allegations--even if the allegations had been made on the floor of the Senate.

I am not saying that the actual opposition is more or less rational than one based on ideology--I just don't want the criticism to be misguided. It's loony of an entirely different color!

As for Jerry Springer, the case is a bit more interesting. Certainly it would not be the first time that an admitted law-breaker has been a commencement speaker. And the event in question occurred quite some time ago. The greater problem is that the invitation is based on events that took place even earlier--in fact, directly leading up to his "encounter".

But if your complaint about Springer (as is the case with some of the protesters at NU) is based on his TV and radio shows, just think of all the other clowns that have been invited to speak at commencements (a certain sitting President comes to mind, or, better yet, a certain former AG or two). No word if Neo-Nazi plan to march in Evanston with folding chairs in hand.

neurodoc, every major university has at least one Holocaust denier and one 9-11 Truther on its faculty. Some invite former dictators as visiting faculty or commencement speakers. So Jerry is a mild choice by comparison.

In general, I don't like the idea of removing invited speakers unless there is a genuine current controversy. Neither Thomas nor Springer qualify on that count.
4.27.2008 8:30am
~aardvark: neurodoc, every major university has at least one Holocaust denier and one 9-11 Truther on its faculty. (italics added)
That's quite a remarkable assertion. Can you back it up, especially with respect to the first part, that is that they all have "at least one Holocaust denier?" I know of no out-of-the-closet ones at any of the four major universities that have granted me degrees, unless Noam Chomsky at MIT can be counted as one, and its arguable whether he qualifies for this singular distinction.

Can you can march us through those major universities calling out for us the Holocaust deniers they have among their faculty? I am genuinely interested to know who they are and where they are, since I didn't think very many of them were to be found in American academia, notwithstanding the plethora of "anti-Zionists" among the faculty of so many schools. (Must go pull Deborah Lipstadt's book off my shelf to see if she names many beside Northwestern's Butz.) Maybe others here can identify out and out Holocaust deniers like Butz at other schools
4.27.2008 9:01am
DiverDan (mail):
While I do think that the furor at UGA over Justice Thomas is ridiculous, I do think that there are circumstances where a protest over the Commencement Speaker may be Justified. Last year, when my alma mater, Knox College, announced that Bill Clinton would be the Commencement Speaker, and that He would be awarded an Honorary Doctor of Laws Degree (the same Honorary Degree that Knox awarded to Abraham Lincoln after the fifth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, the only College Degree that Lincoln ever received), I felt compelled to object. I wrote to Knox's President, expressing the view that, although I did not object to Clinton being the Commencement Speaker, as that was a decision that ought to be left to the Senior Class, I was upset that Knox intended to grant a man who committed perjury in front of both a Federal District Judge and a Federal Grand Jury, and who was disbarred by the highest court in Arkansas, an honorary Doctor of Laws Degree. I felt that such an award would demean both the Degree and the awarding institution. I was told by the Knox President that the honorary degree to be awarded to Clinton was incorrectly identified by the Press, and he was awarded an Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters award (apparently for the stunning work of fiction which was his memoirs). My bottom line, as an Alum, is that the choice of Commencement Speaker ought to be left almost entirely to the Graduating Class -- with a very limited exception for truly bad choices, like convicted violent felons (and maybe Donald Trump). But Alumni and Faculty have a right to object if the chosen Commencement Speaker is to awarded any typt of honorary degree that would demean the awarding institution.
4.27.2008 11:00am
DiverDan (mail):
I guess my post begs the question: Is there any type of honorary degree which could be awarded to Jerry Springer which would not demean Northwestern?
4.27.2008 11:03am
Performing Arts?
4.27.2008 11:20am
Thoughtful (mail):
Best Commencement Speech ever: Steve Jobs to Stanford students, 2005. Very brief. Awesomely inspiring.

4.27.2008 5:40pm
Larry Fafarman (mail) (www):
What is the big honor about having Justice Clarence Thomas as a commencement speaker? He is quieter than "Silent Cal" Coolidge. He has not spoken a single word in a Supreme Court oral hearing in two years. His commencement speech will probably be ghostwritten.

To really shaft a college or university, send them Judge John E. "Jackass" Jones III as a commencement speaker. He showed extreme prejudice against Intelligent Design and the Dover defendants -- regardless of whether or not ID is a religious concept -- by saying in a Dickinson College commencement speech that his Dover decision was based on his notion that the Founders based the Constitution's establishment clause upon a belief that organized religions are not "true" religions.
4.27.2008 5:40pm
Curious (mail):
Sorry. Link option here isn't working. Just Google "Steve Jobs commencement speech" and it's the first offering.
4.27.2008 5:42pm
Old33 (mail):
<blockquote><b>DiverDan:</b> I guess my post begs the question: Is there any type of honorary degree which could be awarded to Jerry Springer which would not demean Northwestern?

No need to give Jerry an honorary degree. He's already got a JD from Northwestern, class of 1968.
4.27.2008 5:48pm
Award Springer a DCL.

I mean, just to be funny.
4.27.2008 11:51pm
(Should specify--I mean the canonical DCL. Not the Tulane-type.)
4.27.2008 11:52pm
neuro--I looked into this at one point. It's a bit rusty, so don't take it as gospel.

But we took the practice from the Brits. It's hard to say when it began, aside from 'the Middle Ages'. But taking a degree then was different than it is now.

So it would be tough to say if degrees given to men who hadn't been in residence, taken exams, etc., were "honorary" in the anything like the sense we use the term now. An honorary degree form Oxford in the Middle ages conferred the rights of membership in the Corporation. So the degree was at least viewed as having been earned, say by the quality of one's scholarly work before arrival at the U.

In the late Middle Ages they started conferring what were clearly unearned degrees 'honoris causa' ('for the sake of honor'). By early-modern times, the Brits were giving them out like they were going out of style, largely to curry favor at court.

We brought over this ancient tradition (using a piece of sheepskin to get stuff) and most institutions do it at commencement time. (Some universities don't. Hooray for UVa!)

The Pope also has the power to dispense degrees (which, strictly speaking, are not "honorary'), and for a time Bishops in the US were usually "D.D."s. Some Protestant denominations in the US now tend to do something similar, and thus the proliferation of ministers who are called "Dr." Jerry Falwell is a well-known example.

The whole thing is icky to me, as an academic. It's not that I'm a snob: Everyone and his brother can call themselves "Dr." for all I care. As long as an earned PhD is required for academic employment in my field, they aren't competition on the job market.

But it seems fishy to be handing out alumnus/a status to people who are very wealthy, but who forgot to attend this particular institution. And the fact that this is done at the same ceremony where earned degrees are conferred on people who actually paid the tuition and stayed awake in the lectures is bad form.

Last points: German academics have traditionally insisted on being addressed based upon the number of their doctoral degrees. And they would list, before their name, the honorary degrees. Thus "Dr.habil, Dr.(h.c.) Wilhelm-Peter Grossausbildung."

And he might well insist on you calling him "Herr Dr. Dr. Prof. Grossausbildung."

So we Americans are not so bad, as far as this academic title-stuff goes.
4.28.2008 12:21am
Tom952 (mail):
The UGA is a football institution that generously uses the proceeds from games to employ academics, thus reducing vagrancy in the community.
4.28.2008 10:02am
Larry Fafarman (mail) (www):
Hoosier said,
German academics have traditionally insisted on being addressed based upon the number of their doctoral degrees. And they would list, before their name, the honorary degrees.

A good example is Prof. Dr. Ing h.c. Ferdinand Porsche, the designer of the original Volkswagen Beetle. He had almost no formal engineering education -- his doctorates were honorary. Ing is for "engineer" -- I don't know what the h.c. stands for. In US states, you can't market yourself as an engineer unless you have a state license (professional registration).

The Univ. of Calif. - San Francisco grants a UCSF Medal in lieu of honorary degrees.
4.28.2008 10:17am
~aardvark (mail):
There is a reason why removing commencement speakers and honoris causa (=h.c.) recipients is a bad idea. (There are exceptions--BU was going to award an h.c. to Berisha and only changed the list after sending Elie Wiesel to Albania to verify that their treatment of the Greeks has been beyond the pale.) Sometimes, problems appear only after the honor has been granted. Two examples form mid-80s at MIT--Ken Olson, then CEO of DEC, who, in the following eighteen months presided over the slide of DEC into oblivion, and the President of Columbia who was soon linked to death squads. Both were alumni and MIT does not grant h.c. degrees anyway, but their mere presence as commencement speakers--which was, incidentally, protested in both cases--proved ironic. In fact, of all my commencement addresses, I attended only one and that was only because Ella Fitzgerald was receiving her h.c. doctorate. I found the rest of the list of h.c. candidates laughable and most commencement speakers either boring or repugnant.

Speaking of MIT, neurodoc perhaps is not aware of a number of Pakistanis and Malaysians on MIT faculty and in post-doc positions. Quite a few of them qualify on the Holocaust-denier scale. The confusion is that, I suspect, neurodoc thinks I meant tenured faculty, but I made no such claim. I referred to academic employees, in general. As for tenured faculty, as far as I know, each Big Ten school and Berkeley has one. I believe, so does Maryland. It is really not a stretch to say that it is highly likely that every major university has one on the faculty, although not all of them are tenured.

Similarly, most major universities have racial theorists on the faculty. The most celebrated ones are probably at Berkeley, Delaware, Penn, Johns Hopkins and Maryland, but there are plenty to go around. Of course, the reason for attention being paid to the ones I mentioned is that they are tenured and are unapologetic for their view. Berkeley, in particular goes through a minor scandal on this account every couple of years, because they have to investigate the complaints that the guy fails to separate his views from the subject matter of his anthropology course (but he does, so he stays on the faculty).

In general, I believe that decisions on commencement speakers should be left to graduating classes, decision on h.c. degrees left to appropriate committees and should not be overturned. BUT, there is also no reason why these should not be protested. If, for example, Rick Santorum were invited as a speaker, I would love to see man-on-dog banners (with graphic photos) in protest. It's a little more difficult to make a "pubic hair in my Coke" display, but I'm sure UGA students can manage. Let them protest--we've been teaching them for many years to think for themselves, why not let them display their learning/ignorance in full view?

As for alumni, their "protests" should be limited to donation threats. Other than that, it's really not their place to whine about choices made by students and faculty--of which they are neither. If they want to say that they are ashamed of their school and don't want to give money, that's fine. Let the administration and faculty then decide what is more important for them. But don't meddle in university affairs directly.
4.28.2008 12:11pm
aardvark--Who is the Holocaust denier at Wisconsin?

Not arguing with you. This just makes me curious, especially due to the large-ish number of Jewish kids from my area--North Suburban Chicago public high schools--would go there every year. A perfectly good alternative for bright kids who wanted to go "out of state" for college, but didn't get into Ann Arbor.
4.28.2008 12:57pm
Larry Fafarman (mail) (www):
~aardvark said,
honoris causa (=h.c.)

Thanks for pointing out what "h.c." means in Prof. Dr. Ing. h.c. Ferdinand Porsche.

Regarding the holocaust -- I am not a denier but I am a revisionist. I assert that a "systematic" Jewish holocaust was impossible because the Nazis had no objective and reliable ways of identifying Jews and non-Jews. So yes, I think that there are good reasons for doubting official holocaust history.
4.28.2008 6:50pm
Larry Fafarman: I am so sorry for you.
4.29.2008 12:10am
Larry Fafarman (mail) (www):

How is that?

How many times have you said, "I didn't know (s)he was Jewish"? Or, "I thought (s)he was Jewish"?
4.29.2008 1:02pm