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It's entirely unclear how Myers failed to behave "honorably," but isn't it entirely possible that, e.g., Mathis was offended by some "adolescent" postings on Myers's blog? That is, your own oblique suggestion that Myers was misbehaving himself in line is not supported by the press accounts of the incident.
Now why is this posted here? Did I miss something? Should I care about this Myers character getting kicked out of a movie line?
I haven't read the NY Times' account, but basing the event purely on Myers' version I would say the guy was doing something jerky.
actually go to the movie homepage and check out ben stein's movie trailer... now that's a 14 year old kid who thinks very highly of himself with heavy doses of bragging and ego stroking... who knew ben stein was this much of a yahoo??
In April 2007, Myers was interviewed for a movie ostensibly titled "Crossroads". It was presented to him as a documentary about religion and science -- not about the 'expulsion' of intelligent design from the realm of scientific debate. Parts of that interview are now in "Expelled".
Thus it would be natural for Myers to be interested in how he is being portrayed in the film. I find it hard to believe that he would want to cause a disturbance before even entering the theater. Why screw up the chance to find out how he appears in the movie? And given how secretive the producers of the film have been with respect to reviews (especially those that might be negative), the account Myers provided on his blog strike me as very plausible.
The claims that "Expelled" was 'invitation only' or required tickets appear to be false. Anyone can go to the RSVP page on the Expelled website and sign up to see it. No invitations or tickets are required (only an ID that matches the name provided on the signup page).
Indeed. The producers of the movie are now claiming that "Crossroads" was merely a "working title" that evolved naturally -- if you will excuse the phrase -- into "Expelled." But it turns out they are lying....they registered the "Expelledthemovie" domain before the interviews in question, but never registered "crossroads." They used the lie about what type of movie they were making to get interviews which they could cull for out-of-context clips.
I suppose technically there is nothing wrong with the proponents of Intelligent Design using the same movie-making tactics that Borat uses to show bags of his feces to Southern dinner guests.
And I'm sure that the fact that Ben Stein wanted to call the movie "From Darwin to Hitler" is no stain at all on its credibility. After all, cleanliness is next to Godwinness.
And Myers hadn't come a long way? Clearly this is someone who has no idea how annoyingly far Morris MN is from civilization. :-p
Never met PZ, but his kids, who I went to high school with, seem quite nice and laid back. I'd be a bit skeptical that he was misbehaving.
"Sometimes militant atheists can be quite obnoxious and disruptive."
Can someone point out to me where it is suggested that Myers was being disruptive? The N.Y. Times article certainly doesn't suggest that.
Myers' obnoxiousness, paranoia, and deep bile is what you'd expect from a teenager entering into the creationist nut-baiting game for the first time. Sign of arrested development in my view.
I enjoy reading Russell or even Hitchens, who some may consider rude but to me is coruscating and retains a grain of elegance in his writing. Attack-dogs like Myers, by contrast, are just a pain to read. Lots of foam, spittle, and adolescence that is offputting in the extreme.
I don't think Ben Stein is a yahoo. I think Ben Stein is a liar. There is a rather significant difference. He knows he can get some publicity and score a little cash if he trots out this ID nonsense. The man worked for Nixon for heaven's sake; give the Machiavellian lobe of his brain a little credit.
First, we don't have enough information to know whether Mathis's or Myers's version of events is more accurate. I am skeptical of Myers, though. He would have us believe Mathis recognized him but had no clue who Richard Dawkins was (apparently both are prominently featured in the film). And what better way to controversy-bait than to set yourself up to get booted from the movie "Expelled"?
Second, let's assume for the sake of argument Myers is correct. Maybe Mathis is a lower-level producer who had been instructed to look out for Myers (a professor in the state) but was unaware Dawkins might show up. What's the point? The screening was a free-of-charge promotional event designed to generate positive buzz about the film. Myers can go see the movie as many times as he likes, just not on their dime. If this had been a pro-evolution movie, I could see the producers keeping out prominent evangelicals and creationists.
In the end, it was just a lousy PR move. Any disruption Myers could have caused at the screening has been offset by giving him just what he wanted. The producer threw Myers in the briar patch.