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"Kristen" Identified:
The New York Times has the story here.
jvarisco (www):
Four thousand for that? Am I missing something?
3.12.2008 11:42pm
rlb:
I think you are.
3.12.2008 11:49pm
More importantly...:
$1000 an hour was apparently her rate; $4300 covered a 2 hour session, as well as a credit towards future services. Since it's generally claimed that, at best, the girl takes a 50% cut with the agency taking the other half (there's a joke in that somewhere), that's not too over the top.

Were she freelancing (so to speak-Spitzer was for sure), I'd say $500 an hour would be a reasonable price. $1000... probably not worth it.
3.13.2008 12:07am
Free Trader:
Kristen is hot. Spitzer doesn't have bad taste in women. Although he is stupid as hell to ruin such a magnificent career and do untold emotional damage to his wife all for some momentary and fleeting pleasure.

But besides that, all I have to say is that those who are complaining about the price know more about these things than they should...
3.13.2008 12:12am
CEB:
As someone mentioned on another thread, what he was paying for was discretion, most likely.
3.13.2008 12:15am
Orielbean (mail):
She is gorgeous. Niice.
3.13.2008 12:17am
Free Trader:

As someone mentioned on another thread, what he was paying for was discretion, most likely.



Yeah, because the more you are paid, the more likely you are not to sell compromising pictures of the governor to the Enquirer?

I don't see how one can "pay" for discretion. And furthermore, something really seems strange about that, because the cost of discretion is very low. (Except the opportunity cost in a case like this is very high. How much would the Enquirer have paid for pictures before this broke?)

I will tell you what is being paid for besides sex. This is like dinner at a fancy restaurant. The food does not necessarily taste better, but the upper class image is much more appealing. It enables you to do something that is cheap and vulgar without feeling cheap and vulgar. It enables you to do something degrading without feeling degraded.

Besides that, perhaps what is being paid for is a relatively low chance of getting an STD. At such high prices, the women do not end up sleeping with many other clients.
3.13.2008 12:23am
Anon. Lib.:
Its newsworthy that Spitzer hired a prostitute. He's a hypocrite who put his desire ahead of doing the job he was elected to do. But why do we need to learn the prostitute's name, her history, the names of her family members, and excerpt from her myspace page? So that jvarisco can refer to her as a thing? Her identity is totally irrelevant to this story and it serves no good to expose her and her family to this kind of scorn.
3.13.2008 12:23am
Free Trader:

He's a hypocrite who put his desire ahead of doing the job he was elected to do.


Query. Is Sptitzer necessarily really a hypocrite. It is correct that he condemned two other prostitution rings.

But not all prostitution rings are alike. Some are more coercive than others. Some experiences may be akin to slavery. Others may be more a matter of choice.

What were the prostitution rings that Spitzer condemned before like?

Obviously, whether hypocritical or not, Spitzer's actions are absolutely indefensible. But, I am not 100% sure they are hypocritical.
3.13.2008 12:29am
CrazyTrain (mail):
Spitzer has better taste than Clinton.

On a more serious note, the number of posts on the site re Spitzer is interesting, and I think it is mainly the natural result of the MSM firestorm over this. Compare this to the very, very few posts on this site about David Vitter (the Republican Senator caught doing the same thing, but of course the Bushies didn't leak his name . . . they fought like hell to keep it out of the public record). I think this exposes the lie about the "librul media" that Instapundit and Rush Limbaugh like to talk about. The MSM gives much more attention to sex scandals involving Democrats. That's an objective fact.
3.13.2008 12:34am
Boynton Cousin:
Bleh, who can like someone who does that awful pucker-for-the-webcam face (check Drudge)? That + her music = ugly!
3.13.2008 12:34am
CEB:

the more you are paid, the more likely you are not to sell compromising pictures of the governor to the Enquirer?


Well, yeah. High-price brothels cater to men who have a lot to lose if they are discovered. They know that they can make a hell of a lot of money with a steady stream of $1000/hr customers, who would be lost if the women were known to kiss and tell.


Besides that, perhaps what is being paid for is a relatively low chance of getting an STD.


Given that about %25 of women in this country have an STD, "relatively" is the operative word here.
3.13.2008 12:34am
TyWebb:
Gorgeous? Yes. $1000 an hour gorgeous? No, even if you suppose she's the best company in every respect imaginable, and incredibly discreet to boot. Methinks there's some part of this market that's driven by image--the idea of paying $1000 for a woman makes her more attractive to some people, regardless of the value they present, if you get my drift. Something like the Dolphins signing Joey Porter in the twilight of his career.
3.13.2008 12:42am
Free Trader:

Well, yeah. High-price brothels cater to men who have a lot to lose if they are discovered. They know that they can make a hell of a lot of money with a steady stream of $1000/hr customers, who would be lost if the women were known to kiss and tell.


Well, it seems to me an individual woman, if not the Emperor's Club as an institution, has quite a high incentive to defect in a case like this.

Kristen would have to f*ck Spitzer quite a few times to match the amount she could make by selling the story, with proof, to a tabloid...

I think the real constraint preventing individual women from telling is something other than money. Because if all it is is money, it doesn't make that much sense not to sell your client out, at least if he is the Governor of New York.
3.13.2008 12:43am
Caspar the Friendly Guest:

She said she was not sure that Ms. Dupré realized who Mr. Spitzer was when he was her client.


I don't know whether to be surprised or saddened that an NYC resident would not realize that the guy having sex with her was the governor.


Besides that, perhaps what is being paid for is a relatively low chance of getting an STD. At such high prices, the women do not end up sleeping with many other clients.


And you know this because . . . ?
3.13.2008 12:45am
LM (mail):
From her MySpace page:

I am here, in NY because of my music... Don't let anyone hold you back or tell you that you can't...because you can.

Next year's American Idol?



High-price brothels cater to men who have a lot to lose if they are discovered.

Apparently.
3.13.2008 12:48am
FXKLM:
I've paid more for worse.

You guys don't track IP addresses, do you?
3.13.2008 12:49am
Free Trader:

Gorgeous? Yes. $1000 an hour gorgeous? No, even if you suppose she's the best company in every respect imaginable, and incredibly discreet to boot. Methinks there's some part of this market that's driven by image--the idea of paying $1000 for a woman makes her more attractive to some people, regardless of the value they present, if you get my drift. Something like the Dolphins signing Joey Porter in the twilight of his career.


I think these statements are quite arbitrary. There are many mainstream models that make more than $1000 an hour. Hell, there are lawyers who make that much, and they really are not worth it either.

Your on to something here, about something seeming more valuable because of its high cost. But, this is hardly a new. Think about diamonds. Yeah, they look nice. But they definitely are not worth anything close to how much they sell for. Its all about the bragging rights for having a bigger diamond. It is all about irrational feeling and irrational competition for the biggest rock.

Here, I think the premium is a way to make the person doing something that is very cheap and degrading feel as though they are not doing something that is cheap and degrading.

The cost to Eliot Spitzer's self-image of going around trying to find a cheaper prostitute would be much higher than the small change (for him) he spent here.
3.13.2008 12:49am
Free Trader:

And you know this because . . . ?


Because of the logistics that go into arranging something like this? Contrast with stories of pimps who force prostitutes to sleep with client after client to meet a "quota."

Maybe the Emperor's Club would like to operate that way if they could. But it isn't even logistically possible.
3.13.2008 12:51am
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
If people were willing to pay the money, they were worth the money.
3.13.2008 1:07am
Freddy Hill:
Free Trader:


Well, it seems to me an individual woman, if not the Emperor's Club as an institution, has quite a high incentive to defect in a case like this.

There must be significant tradeoffs that make defection costly or futile. Just think about this: How many powerful/famous men hire prostitutes, or have prostitutes hired for them in a year? How many of them get caught? I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is above 10,000 : 1.
3.13.2008 1:17am
Free Trader:

There must be significant tradeoffs that make defection costly or futile.


And what would those defection costs be?

By the way, I very much doubt your statistics. I do not think we have as many individuals that I would describe as "powerful/famous" for you to even come up with a number like 10,000. =)
3.13.2008 1:20am
Some_3L (mail):

But why do we need to learn the prostitute's name, her history, the names of her family members, and excerpt from her myspace page?


It is gross, lurid, and prurient of the press to go into so much detail.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Philippians 4:8

"Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." Colossians 3:2
3.13.2008 1:36am
Asher Steinberg (mail):
On a more serious note, the number of posts on the site re Spitzer is interesting, and I think it is mainly the natural result of the MSM firestorm over this. Compare this to the very, very few posts on this site about David Vitter (the Republican Senator caught doing the same thing, but of course the Bushies didn't leak his name . . . they fought like hell to keep it out of the public record). I think this exposes the lie about the "librul media" that Instapundit and Rush Limbaugh like to talk about. The MSM gives much more attention to sex scandals involving Democrats. That's an objective fact.

Perhaps, but Vitter wasn't a crusading attorney general who had prosecuted prostitutes before, and he also wasn't charged with money laundering, or anything for that matter.
3.13.2008 1:55am
Dave N (mail):
Compare this to the very, very few posts on this site about David Vitter (the Republican Senator caught doing the same thing, but of course the Bushies didn't leak his name . . . they fought like hell to keep it out of the public record).
I remember reading quite a bit about Larry Craig.

I would also note that Spitzer's office apparently leaked the story--not the Justice Departmetn. But hey, when you want to make silly partisan statements, facts are irrelevant.
3.13.2008 2:07am
2Hard4U2C:
Man, that is her? That is weak. Everybody who lives outside of the Northeast, this message is for you: Do not move here. Everything is a ripoff. You're better off in the nice open country - clean air, plenty of room to roam around, lower taxes, affordable schools, reasonably-priced housing, and cheaper and more attractive, uh, er, um, property.
3.13.2008 2:13am
Baseballhead (mail):
Perhaps, but Vitter wasn't a crusading attorney general who had prosecuted prostitutes before, and he also wasn't charged with money laundering, or anything for that matter.
So being a crusading family values candidate who had called on then-President Clinton to step down for moral reasons doesn't count?
3.13.2008 3:05am
CrazyTrain (mail):
Not to mention that Spitzer has not been charged with money laundering, or anything for that matter. Nice try though -- you can't distinguish them except that one is a Republican and one is a Democrat. Both have issues.
3.13.2008 3:21am
CrazyTrain (mail):
I would also note that Spitzer's office apparently leaked the story--not the Justice Departmetn.

You really believe that? It makes a lot of sense. There is this great bridge I have for sale; are you interested?
3.13.2008 3:23am
Jagermeister:
Fascinating that for some people, no matter what the topic, it always comes back to partisan politics. I guess its true, that when all you have is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail.
3.13.2008 3:34am
Dave N (mail):
Last I heard, David Vitter had not been charged with money laundering, either. And I am certainly not defending David Vitter. He should resign.

And yes, the way the story broke suggests that Spitzer's camp leaked the story in an effort at damage control and getting ahead of the story--which obviously did not work.
3.13.2008 3:42am
Cornellian (mail):
I wonder how he explains all this to his daughters, who are just a few years younger than Kirsten. That's got to be one hell of an awkward conversation.
3.13.2008 4:23am
A. Zarkov (mail):
This scandal helps the Democrats in their campaign of class warfare. It reminds Main Street just far ahead of them Wall Street has gotten. They can’t even come close to affording a 3-diamond girl, let alone a 5-diamond one. The Arab sheiks and the hedge fund managers are taking everything. You can also see how little the dollar buys these days.
3.13.2008 5:25am
LM (mail):
From the New York Times:

“I just don’t want to be thought of as a monster,”

Not likely she'll be confused with Hillary, the Spitzer connection notwithstanding.
3.13.2008 5:29am
A. Zarkov (mail):
The WSJ has an article on How the Rich are Changing the World’s Oldest Profession.
For one, the complaint makes clear that the wealth boom — and the explosion in the number of multi-millionaires — has created entirely new pricing levels for escorts.
Snip

It may be the world’s oldest profession: but the prices reflect the new realities of wealth.
Snip
… London turns down the job based on price, saying that £500 an hour for starting escorts — close to $1,000 an hour — was chump change, especially since it didn’t include dinner.
Snip
According to a survey by Russ Alan Prince, president of Connecticut-based wealth-research firm Prince &Associates, in his book “The Sky’s The Limit,” a sizable percentage of the super wealthy use escorts. He surveyed 661 people who owned private jets. It found that 34% of males and 20% of females had paid for sex.
3.13.2008 5:37am
Gaius Marius:
A john is not necessarily paying for the hooker's looks but for the acronyms a hooker will perform that a wife won't do in the bedroom. If Kristen earned a couple grand an hour for "consulting services," then she probably performs like a porn star or better.
3.13.2008 7:50am
Ralph Phelan (mail):
What were the prostitution rings that Spitzer condemned before like?

In competition with the one he patronized is their most obvious attribute.
3.13.2008 9:38am
eck:
A john is not necessarily paying for the hooker's looks but for the acronyms a hooker will perform that a wife won't do in the bedroom.

Case in point:

"Well, I heard of this young girl. Eighteen years old. A Vassar student. For a price, she'll come over and discuss any subject - Proust, Yeats, anthropology. Exchange of ideas. You see what I'm driving at?"

"Not exactly."

"I mean my wife is great, don't get me wrong. But she won't discuss Pound with me. Or Eliot. I didn't know that when I married her. See, I need a woman who's mentally stimulating, Kaiser. And I'm willing to pay for it. I don't want an involvement - I want a quick intellectual experience, then I want the girl to leave. Christ, Kaiser, I'm a happily married man."
3.13.2008 9:44am
Temp Guest (mail):
I never thought my sex life was that exceptional, but I can think of only two of my sexual partners who were less physically attractive -- by my admittedly subjective standards -- than that sad creature, Kristen. Furthermore, most were far more intelligent; were probably more honest in their feelings towards me; were much better educated, more intelligent and personable; and on an hourly basis probably cost me about one-thousandth of the immediate cost most of her customers paid (and one-trillionth the cost that schmuck Spitzer did).
3.13.2008 9:51am
Gaius Marius:
One is not paying an escort a couple thousand dollars an hour for intellectual stimulation. One is paying that kind of money for the porn star performance.
3.13.2008 10:24am
Bretzky (mail):
CrazyTrain:


On a more serious note, the number of posts on the site re Spitzer is interesting, and I think it is mainly the natural result of the MSM firestorm over this. Compare this to the very, very few posts on this site about David Vitter (the Republican Senator caught doing the same thing, but of course the Bushies didn't leak his name . . . they fought like hell to keep it out of the public record). I think this exposes the lie about the "librul media" that Instapundit and Rush Limbaugh like to talk about. The MSM gives much more attention to sex scandals involving Democrats. That's an objective fact.

While someone else has mentioned the money laundering aspect surrounding Spitzer's case, another difference is name recognition.

Before Vitter's scandal broke, I'm sure the answer that the overwhelming majority of Americans would give to the question, "Who is David Vitter?" would be dead silence or maybe the sound of chirping crickets. While most Americans would probably still not be able to answer the same question about Spitzer, I'm willing to bet that a majority would at least say that his name sounds familiar. Spitzer was, to a much greater extent than Vitter, a national figure before each one's scandal broke.

Let's also not forget another bias that the MSM has besides their liberal one: their coastal one. Even though Vitter's indiscretions were committed in DC, to the MSM he was still a Louisiana hick. But Spitzer is the governor of New York, a political position that actually matters to the MSM.

By the way, I also think that Vitter should have resigned. A politician in his position has to be squeaky clean when it comes to legal issues. If a US Senator cheats on his or her spouse, it's no business of mine--so long as he or she does it in a manner that is not damaging to the country, office, or his or her constituency. When a US Senator cheats on his or her spouse by breaking the law by seeing a prostitute, then it is my business. Vitter broke the law, and he should have stepped down.
3.13.2008 10:27am
erics (mail):
Free Trader:

You seem oblivious to the fact that "paying for discretion" very well might mean that the mob will put a bullet in your head for talking to the Enquirer about your customers. I'm not saying that's the case here, but you never know. (FWIW -- You should add Eastern Promises to your Netflix queue.)
3.13.2008 10:31am
jvarisco (www):
There are 50 girls who look just like her (and a lot who are hotter - e.g. blonde and skinnier) every block in nyc.
3.13.2008 10:36am
Cornellian (mail):
There are 50 girls who look just like her (and a lot who are hotter - e.g. blonde and skinnier) every block in nyc.

To say nothing of LA, though not every guy thinks hotness scales upwards with blondness.
3.13.2008 10:58am
Opus:
The $1000 is for more than just looking good. Recall the following exchange from Analyze This:

Dr. Ben Sobel: What happened with your wife last night?
Boss Paul Vitti: I wasn't with my wife, I was with my girlfriend.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Are you having marriage problems?
Boss Paul Vitti: No.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Then why do you have a girlfriend?
Boss Paul Vitti: What, are you gonna start moralizing on me?
Dr. Ben Sobel: No, I'm not, I'm just trying to understand, why do you have a girlfriend?
Boss Paul Vitti: I do things with her I can't do with my wife.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Why can't you do them with your wife?
Boss Paul Vitti: Hey, that's the mouth she kisses my kids goodnight with! What are you, crazy?
3.13.2008 10:59am
hawkins:

There are 50 girls who look just like her (and a lot who are hotter - e.g. blonde and skinnier) every block in nyc.


Skinnier? Did you see the picture of her in the bathing suit? I cant imagine skinnier would be better. I admit, some of the other photos are a little underwhelming, but she looks great in the bathing suit photo.
3.13.2008 11:02am
Cornellian (mail):
This reminds me of one those TV judge shows I saw once where the litigants were a very attractive black woman who had worked as a stripper (before joining FEMA!) and her ex-boyfriend. The judge asked her how much money she made as a stripper and she said she had earned $200,000 per year. And that's without having to have sex with anyone.

I think many people would be astounded at how much a good looking woman in her 20's and early 30's can earn as a prostitute.

There's was a story in the news not that long ago about a Stanford JD grad who became a prostitute instead of practicing law. She was better looking than Kristen, worked a whole lot less than BigLaw junior associates and made a whole lot more money.
3.13.2008 11:03am
More importantly...:
He wasn't paying for a performance level, or even for the act itself.

He was paying her to leave when he was done.
3.13.2008 11:05am
Adam J:
small world, I live one building down from "Kristin"
3.13.2008 11:11am
Free Trader:

You seem oblivious to the fact that "paying for discretion" very well might mean that the mob will put a bullet in your head for talking to the Enquirer about your customers.


This sounds implausible to me. This is certainly not something that a customer would want. Imagine the investigation that would follow in such a high profile case...

It is one thing to be associated with prostitution. It is another to be associated with either the mob or murder.
3.13.2008 11:40am
Ex parte McCardle:
Maybe I suffer from a deficit of testosterone, but does it strike anyone else as insane to shell out $5000, no matter how much money you have, not to mention the risk to yourself and your family etc., to get laid one time?
3.13.2008 11:43am
Bob from Ohio (mail):
CrazyTrain: Explain Mark Foley please.
3.13.2008 11:44am
Dan Weber (www):
What kept Larry Craig in the news was the novelty of the sex (bathroom signals? what?), and his hilarious insistence that he had just done it by accident.
3.13.2008 12:01pm
erics (mail):
Free Trader:

Let me correct my post. You don't seem oblivious. You are oblivious. Again, I'm not saying that EmperorVIP was an outfit job, but to suggest such a notion is implausible is simply naive.

"Imagine the investigation that would follow in such a high profile case."

You realize the governor of New York resigned, without a fight, less than 48 hours after the story broke and may actually go to prison?
3.13.2008 12:04pm
TerrencePhilip:
She's a trashy club girl, who saw a way to make $$ doing even less "work" than a hot girl usually has to do to make it. It's not that much of a stretch from hanging out, partying, and hooking up for free, and getting paid to do so. She is blessed by looking great. But that's about it.

I feel so bad for Spitzer's family. Everyone who had a bad encounter with him over the years probably feels quite vindicated in their intuitions about him.
3.13.2008 12:39pm
Waldensian (mail):

It is gross, lurid, and prurient of the press to go into so much detail.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Philippians 4:8

"Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." Colossians 3:2

If you want gross, lurid, and prurient, you can actually stick to the text of the Bible. Frankly I don't think children should be exposed to the Bible, it's indecent.
3.13.2008 12:45pm
hawkins:

Everyone who had a bad encounter with him over the years probably feels quite vindicated in their intuitions about him.


Spitzer may well be a self righteous zealot, but your intuitions were that he had a weakness for high priced call girls? I see absolutely no connection between the two.
3.13.2008 12:46pm
brutumfulmen (www):
why do we need to know the identity of the prostitute? spitzer, as an arrogant public official, signed up for scrutiny into his private life. the prostitute didn't. she has a right to privacy. i feel sorry for her, that she's now got all this attention on her.
3.13.2008 1:25pm
DCP:
She waived her right to privacy when she decided to work for an escort service (performing illegal acts by the way) that advertised her service and herself over the internet. On top of that she had a Myspace page, from which all of this media scrutiny is collected.

This is like someone running onto a football field naked and then accusing everyone in the stands of being a peeping tom. No dice.
3.13.2008 3:44pm
KeithK (mail):
Maybe I suffer from a deficit of testosterone, but does it strike anyone else as insane to shell out $5000, no matter how much money you have, not to mention the risk to yourself and your family etc., to get laid one time?

Depends on how much you have/make. If you're middle class and that's about as much money as you make in a month then yes, it is insane. If you're worth a billion and you make many times that much each day from your investments then maybe the expense doesn't seem very significant. After all, how the hell else are you going to spend all of that money?

The risk to family, reputation, etc. is another question.
3.13.2008 4:47pm
markm (mail):

FXKLM:
I've paid more for worse.

Most every man that's been through a divorce has.
3.13.2008 9:15pm