The Volokh Conspiracy

"The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty":

This is the Yale Law Journal Note cited in the New York Times article on the subject; the Journal has just put the Note on its Web site.

Related Posts (on one page):

  1. Lawsuit Seeking to Challenge Sen. McCain's "Natural-Born Citizen" Status:
  2. "The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty":
  3. McCain's birth, Russian language version:
  4. The meaning of "natural born."
  5. "Natural-Born Citizen":
NI:
OK, I'll bite: How can the Canal Zone be U.S. territory for purposes of allowing McCain to run for President, but Guantanamo Bay is not U.S. territory for purposes of allowing detainees access to U.S. courts?
3.4.2008 12:45pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
NI: (1) Different kinds of U.S.-controlled land may indeed be different for different legal purposes. Check out the Insular Cases, for instance.

(2) But in any event, my sense of the historical evidence is that "natural-born citizen" meant "citizen who is born a citizen," which includes citizens who at birth were the children of U.S. citizens even when the citizens were entirely overseas. If McCain had been the son of Americans stationed in Paris (whether as embassy staff or as soldiers), he would still be a "natural-born citizen."
3.4.2008 12:58pm
Cornellian (mail):
But in any event, my sense of the historical evidence is that "natural-born citizen" meant "citizen who is born a citizen," which includes citizens who at birth were the children of U.S. citizens even when the citizens were entirely overseas.

Citizens at birth under Congressional statute as it existed when Article II was adopted or under Congressional statute as it existed when the individual was born? What about a person who qualifies under one, but not the other?
3.4.2008 1:06pm
DJR:
NI: Because whether a place where someone is born is "U.S. territory" is irrelevant to whether an individual born there is a "natural born citizen." The Constitution requires the latter as a qualification for President, not the former.
3.4.2008 1:15pm
Cold Warrior:
Cornellian raises the most important point. From a results-oriented perspective, I would like to say that "natural born citizen" means "citizen from birth pursuant to the statute in place at the time of birth." But, of course, the "statute in place at the time of birth" has changed quite a bit over the years. And I fail to find support in the text of the "natural born citizen" clause for this interpretation. After all, the drafter could've very easily delegated the determination of citizenship to Congress. They did so in Art. 1, sec. 8 with respect to a uniform naturalization law, but "naturalization" is a different animal.

I think we all agree that McCain counts, but my determination that he counts is, admittedly, a rather seat-of-the-pants one.
3.4.2008 1:21pm
John (mail):
I take "natural" to mean "by the nature of." Thus, if, by the circumstances surrounding one's birth one is a citizen, then one is a "natural born citizen."
3.4.2008 1:26pm
FC:
Why didn't she just put the footnotes on top and the body on bottom? This is self-parody at a high level.

New word: Foottext. You read it here first.
3.4.2008 1:48pm
glangston (mail):

But the First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, “The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States.”
3.4.2008 2:08pm
Hoosier:
FC--My thoughts exactly!

(Well, my *exact* thought was: Wow! I forgot how much law schools LOOOOOOVE the footnote. But I agree with you completely in spririt.)

In my field (History), one can perceive a grass-roots rumbling against the obligatory "bucket-footnote" on the first page of any academic journal article. You want to find everything that's ever been written on a topic, in reverse chronological ordrr? That's what dissertations are for!

But since lawyers get their LL.B.'s (Oops! "JD's") without writing a dissertation, I suppose they need the notes in journals.
3.4.2008 2:10pm
PatHMV (mail) (www):
Has everybody forgotten the Conspiracy post the other day citing Blackstone, at length? As I explained here, the phrase "natural born citizen" had a long history in the common law of England, from which the framers took many of the basic legal concepts and terms of legal art used in the Constitution. Had they wished to require birth within the geographical limits of the United States, they could have used "born in the United States" instead of "natural born citizen." That phrase is not one routinely used in non-legal writing or conversation, other than to describe someone delivered by Caesarian section. The only reason to use that term of legal art is to bring in its meaning. And under the English common law, as Blackstone discusses, children of ambassadors, at a minimum, were "always" considered "natural subjects" of the crown.
3.4.2008 2:40pm
PatHMV (mail) (www):
Certainly, when you consider the common law meaning of the phrase in conjunction with the act passed by the First Congress, there really is no other rational conclusion than that the born-abroad children of American citizenns are "natural born citizens," not because of any act of Congress but because of the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" as used in the Constitution.
3.4.2008 2:42pm
MarkField (mail):

Different kinds of U.S.-controlled land may indeed be different for different legal purposes. Check out the Insular Cases, for instance.


This is true, but it doesn't help McCain much. The Insular Cases make distinctions among the various territories for purposes of deciding which Constitutional provisions apply to them. It would be hard to argue that a territory in which the 5th Amendment doesn't apply is one in which the citizens can grow up to be President. Does anyone believe, for example, that citizens of the Philippines were eligible to become President prior to 1946?

McCain's status as a citizen has to rise or fall with whether "natural born" includes the the children of US citizens born overseas.
3.4.2008 3:05pm
Cornellian (mail):
Certainly, when you consider the common law meaning of the phrase in conjunction with the act passed by the First Congress, there really is no other rational conclusion than that the born-abroad children of American citizenns are "natural born citizens," not because of any act of Congress but because of the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" as used in the Constitution.

Which leads inevitably to the great point I made in the earlier thread. Under current federal law, not every person born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents is himself (or herself) a citizen, which means such a person could be a "natural born citizen" for purposes of Article II and thus eligible for the presidency without actually being a citizen of the United States.
3.4.2008 3:09pm
hobermallow (mail):
this natural-born citizen debate regarding mccain is ridiculous.

clearly as a child of space aliens, he is not qualified to be president.
3.4.2008 3:18pm
PatHMV (mail) (www):
Cornellian... possibly. However, I think if you look at the actual discussion in Blackstone, it refers to the children of "natural born subjects." In other words, only children of parents who were themselves citizens from birth rather than later naturalized. If I remember current federal law correctly, the only circumstances where the child of two citizens might not be a citizen is where one or both of the parents is a naturalized citizen, and even then there are requirements of being absent for a certain period of time before one loses such citizenship. There may not, thusly, be a contradiction between "natural born" as defined by Art. II and current federal law.
3.4.2008 3:46pm
Hoosier:
hobermallow--Now wait just a minute! If those space aliens were in the US when he was born . . .
3.4.2008 4:26pm
Mike G in Corvallis (mail):
Does it matter whether the angels on the head of the pin are dancing clockwise or counterclockwise?

Jeeze! Just amend the Constitution to make anyone who has been a citizen for 35 years eligible for the presidency, and be done with it already!

Is the meaning of the phrase "natural born" relevant to any other issue in American law?
3.4.2008 4:27pm
Hoosier:
Mark Field (or others)--I know this sounds like a question from a naive outisider with no legal training. But that's only because I'm a naive outisder with no legal training. Having cleared that up: The Insular Cases have always confused the Hell out of me, because they seem to add up to nothing. Or at least nothing other than: Sometimes yes, sometimes no; The Court will let Congress figure much of it out.

But the ODD thing that I note is that it did seem to matter to the Court that these are *insular* cases. That is, that these are *island* territories. See, eg., Downes. And the Canal Zone was not an island.

I don't know *why* that should have mattered, but at least some justices seemed to think that it did matter quite a lot. Am I missing something? Why would extra-territoriality jurisprudence be affected by how many sides of a given territory were wet?
3.4.2008 4:45pm
Cornellian (mail):
If I remember current federal law correctly, the only circumstances where the child of two citizens might not be a citizen is where one or both of the parents is a naturalized citizen, and even then there are requirements of being absent for a certain period of time before one loses such citizenship. There may not, thusly, be a contradiction between "natural born" as defined by Art. II and current federal law.

I'm no expert in the law in this area, but I seem to recall someone quoting the statute in the earlier thread and I read it as saying that you could in some circumstances have a person born abroad of two natural born US citizens without the child himself being a citizen. This is in the situation where four Americans go abroad, the two couples each have a child, both children are US citizens who then grow up and have a child abroad without ever having lived in the US. As I read the statute, that child (who is the grandchild of the original four) will NOT be a US citizen, despite being born of two people who were citizens at birth.

Anyway, even if the statute today encompasses everyone who would have been swept in under the applicable statutes from 1789 to today it's still easy to construct a hypothetical in which Congress narrows the statute to exclude certain persons born abroad. There's no constitutional obligation to grant citizenship to people born abroad in all circumstances the way there's an obligation to persons born here under the 14th Amendment.
3.4.2008 4:56pm
Smokey:
Let's see someone continue beating this dead horse after these details begin to dawn on the electorate.
3.4.2008 6:26pm
MarkField (mail):

But the ODD thing that I note is that it did seem to matter to the Court that these are *insular* cases. That is, that these are *island* territories. See, eg., Downes. And the Canal Zone was not an island.

I don't know *why* that should have mattered, but at least some justices seemed to think that it did matter quite a lot. Am I missing something? Why would extra-territoriality jurisprudence be affected by how many sides of a given territory were wet?


I think these references were euphemistic. What they really wanted was to avoid giving rights to people of a different color. All those cases, after all, came in the Plessy era.
3.4.2008 6:43pm
jim (mail) (www):
Until I read the Blackstone excerpt the other day, I had assumed that natural-born meant the same as born. That is "-born" simply glossed "natural", a natural citizen was one who was born a citizen, rather than one who was made a citizen later, "naturalized."


But Blackstone says that someone born in a king's dominions owes "naturally" allegiance to that king: is a natural-born subject of that king. Yes, there's a saving paragraph at the end which says that the offspring of two citizens, even if born outside the jurisdiction, is natural-born "to all intents and purposes." But natural-born to all intents and purposes is not the same as natural-born. In fact it means "not natural-born, but we choose to overlook the fact."

But the really interesting question, to my mind, is: How could this come to a judicial determination? Suppose McCain wins the election. By what mechanism can someone who believes him constitutionally disqualified get his day in court? Surely a lower court cannot issue a writ of mandamus against the Chief Justice compelling him to not swear McCain in.
3.4.2008 7:07pm
REPEAL 16-17 (mail):
None of you have given the correct answer. The answer is that "natural born citizen" has no meaning, until the Great High Priests of Justice (a.k.a., the U.S. Supreme Court) has given it meaning. The Constitution means whatever they want it to mean.
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3.4.2008 8:33pm
czbrat (mail):
Very simple fact to remember. The former Canal Zone was a 10 mile wide strip of land that cut through the country of panama. This was a US territory, that had US police, and a US District Courts. This was US soil and Panamanians were considered guests on when the crossed in the Canal Zone. The only flag flown in the Canal Zone in 1936 was the US flag. Remember Jimmy Carter signed the treaty turning this US soil back to Panama in 1977
3.5.2008 2:29am