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McCain / Watts?

A RedState post suggests "JC Watts for Vice President." Of course, the Julius Caesar part might worry some ....

Sean O'Hara (mail) (www):
I'd be more worried if he was "Junius Brutus".
2.6.2008 4:45pm
CJColucci:
Given McCain's age and uncertain health and vitality, this ticket might be genuinely scary to many Republican voters.
2.6.2008 4:47pm
genob:
If this could bring the Wishbone offense back to prominence in college football, I'd be behind it 100%.

Seriously, I have wondered why he seemed to just drop what seemed to be a very promising political career that had no where to go but up.
2.6.2008 5:00pm
Lonely Capitalist (mail):
Just so he doesn't pick Huckabee! Thompson would be perfect for the laid back VP job. Romney could use it to prepare for his chance to run. But a decent conservative would make a good balance especially considereing McCain's age. How could conservatives vote for Hillary against a McCain/Romney ticket?
2.6.2008 5:07pm
Crusader AXE of the Lost Causes (mail) (www):
I thought that as athlete-pols went he was at least as reasonable as Jim Bunning, who is totally off the wall and deranged. Of course, he's a million years old. I'm not sure about the Republican reaction although I suspect that it would split the ignorant wing of the Democratic-Independent conspiracy to ensure mediocrity and uselessness from the Left as a counterweight to eight years of actual incompetence and evil.

Since I wasn't sure about what the guy had been doing, I Googled him and guess what -- he looks like a principled conservative who believes in making the private sector work to improve life for the people. So trust me , he will definitely scare a lot of Republicans.
Whatever happened to Elizabeth Dole and Kaye Bailey Hutchinson? Better yet, Margaret Chase Smith and Carrie Nation" http://www.jcwatts.com/jcwatts.htm
2.6.2008 5:16pm
CJColucci:
I have wondered why he seemed to just drop what seemed to be a very promising political career that had no where to go but up.

I suspect he didn't see a route up.
2.6.2008 5:29pm
ramblindore:
I think most people would see that with a very, deservedly or not, jaundiced eye.
2.6.2008 5:34pm
Cornellian (mail):
Fred Thompson would be perfectly suited to the arduous demands of the office of the vice-president.
2.6.2008 5:37pm
Houston Lawyer:
I have always liked Watts. I believe he is a more principled conservative than McCain and would be a great addition to the ticket.
2.6.2008 5:42pm
Duffy Pratt (mail):
I'm kind of rooting for a McCain / Leiberman ticket. The entire conservative talk show circuit might die in one spasm. I know several people who like McCain but would vote for any Democrat instead, if he picked Huckabee for VP. With his age, he has to take more care than usual in picking his veep, because lots of people will really be thinking that they might indeed be voting for the veep as a potential president.
2.6.2008 5:54pm
Timothy Sandefur (mail) (www):
Why worry about Caesar when they're already nominating Diocletian?
2.6.2008 5:58pm
Pliny, the Elder (mail):
Not be be glib (or flippant) but has anyone actually looked at the actuarial tables?
How likely would McCain be to die in office?
I am actually inclined to vote for him.
2.6.2008 5:58pm
ssa:
Not a bad selection, but I have three words for you: Bionic Dick Cheney.
2.6.2008 5:58pm
Thoughtful (mail):
Cornellian: " Fred Thompson would be perfectly suited to the arduous demands of the office of the vice-president"

I'm not sure that Fred Thompson could stay in hiding for 4 years...

Although 3rd party candidates are generally ineffective, I'm thinking if someone ran "None of the Above" this year it could win a plurality.
2.6.2008 6:00pm
Thoughtful (mail):
"Bionic Dick Cheney"

Am I the only one to whom this congers very bad images...?
2.6.2008 6:02pm
egn (mail):

Not be be glib (or flippant) but has anyone actually looked at the actuarial tables?
How likely would McCain be to die in office?



Assuming I did the calculation right, using this table, there's about an 85% chance he'll make it through his first term.
2.6.2008 6:07pm
e:
I'd guess Kay Bailey Hutchinson before this, but I don't know how they get along. I don't think she's too old to take over if necessary, she's got enough experience, and could get conservatives and the south.
2.6.2008 6:09pm
Pliny, the Elder (mail):
egn

Thanks. Unless his running mate is Satan I can take the chance.
2.6.2008 6:14pm
SassKwatch:
ssa: "...but I have three words for you: Bionic Dick Cheney.
"

Why would DC choose to step down to Veep when he's held the top office for 8 yr ow.(??)
2.6.2008 6:24pm
Bender (mail):
I might vote for that ticket.
2.6.2008 6:28pm
jcr:
McCain has a lower life expectancy due to cancer, torture, and rigors of public life.
2.6.2008 6:30pm
wt (www):
McCain can't win the far-right conservative base, so he might as well go for broke with the VP nomination.

Three thoughts:

1. Why take Huckabee when his best asset is still available? Chuck Norris for VP.

2. Someone else who everyone recognizes and is a household name?
Pat Sajak.

3. If he dies in office, we need to know that his successor won't suffer the same fate. Someone really, really young.
Bobby Jindal.
2.6.2008 6:49pm
RL:
I am a Democrat leaning toward voting for McCain in the general election, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for him if he chose Lieberman as his VP.

What is Colin Powell doing these days?
2.6.2008 6:51pm
Thorley Winston (mail) (www):
I am a Democrat leaning toward voting for McCain in the general election, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for him if he chose Lieberman as his VP.


Why?
2.6.2008 6:56pm
Thief (mail) (www):
J.C. Watts strikes me as more of a Cincinnatus than a Caesar.

He seems an inspired choice.
2.6.2008 7:02pm
JohnAnnArbor:

Given McCain's age and uncertain health and vitality, this ticket might be genuinely scary to many Republican voters.

CJColucci, your assumption of Republican racism is noted. And it is also BS.
2.6.2008 7:24pm
Mac (mail):

McCain has a lower life expectancy due to cancer, torture, and rigors of public life.

jcr,

Perhaps. You make a good point. However, if genes have anything to do with it, and they do, did you happen to see his 96 year old mother?
2.6.2008 7:38pm
Brett Bellmore:

I am a Democrat leaning toward voting for McCain in the general election, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for him if he chose Lieberman as his VP.



Why?


Apostates are always more hated than infidels.
2.6.2008 7:40pm
Mac (mail):

CJColucci wrote,
Given McCain's age and uncertain health and vitality, this ticket might be genuinely scary to many Republican voters.


JohnAnnArbor wrote,
CJColucci, your assumption of Republican racism is noted. And it is also BS.


JohnAnnArbor,

Ditto!
2.6.2008 7:45pm
Cornellian (mail):
Actually Jindal would be an interesting choice. It's not as if McCain needs someone with a lot of experience to balance his ticket.
2.6.2008 8:08pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
But is Jindal old enough?
2.6.2008 8:22pm
therut:
Jindal, Watts,Rice or Steele. I would take Steele or Watts anyday.
2.6.2008 8:24pm
Kevin Murphy:
Sorry, you need someone who has some serious credentials, which lets out everyone but Rice. Rice is damaged goods by association with Bush and I think that McCain would steer clear.

However, if you are trying to find a stong minority candidate ESPECIALLY if Clinton tramples Obama on her way to the nomination, leaving many African-Americans disaffected, you could do worse than Colin Powell.

Sure, the social conservatives would scream, but they're going to be unhappy no matter what. But putting a wedge in Black support for the Democrats is priceless. Sixty years ago most Blacks were Republican. Not impossible it happens again.
2.6.2008 8:38pm
genob:
This 4th quarter drive should be enough to convince anyone that he could lead our country in trying times....or at least enough to get them Oklahoma's electoral votes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LgI396kJlOc
2.6.2008 8:41pm
Dave N (mail):
I agree that McCain will have to have a running mate beyond "middle aged white guy."

The problem with Michael Steele is that his executive experience is four years as Maryland Lieutenant Governor (though he is an extremely articulate and talented individual who has the misfortune of living in a very Democratic state).

J.C. Watts has been out of office since 2003--and his elected experience consists of eight years in the House and four years as a member of the Oklahoma Corporation Commission.

Bobby Jindal is attractive, though his elected experience is three years in the House and one year as Governor of Louisiana. He is also only 37--and that seems a tad young.

Condoleeza Rice has never been elected to any office. Frankly, I don't think she helps given her close association with the Bush Administration.

Of the four, if Michael Steele had managed to be elected to the Senate in 2006, he would the hands-down pick. As it is, Watts is probably the most qualified.
2.6.2008 8:50pm
jasmindad:
Thoughtful says:
>"Bionic Dick Cheney"
> Am I the only one to whom this congers very bad images...?

Please don't speak eel of bionic folks. They have feelings too, electrical signals though they might be.
2.6.2008 9:03pm
Mac (mail):
Dave N,

Good post. However, it occurred to me that that any of the ones you mentioned have a lot more experience than Obama and he is running for President.
2.6.2008 9:05pm
A Law Unto Himself:
McCain's father died at 70 (1911 - 1981). And he didn't enjoy the hospitality of the Hanoi Hilton.

Watts or Steele! That'll shake'em up...
2.6.2008 10:16pm
TechieLaw (mail) (www):
Why not Rehnquist?

Oh, wait. He's dead.

More seriously, people seem to focus on executive or legislative branch members for offices like the VP. But what would VP Alex Kozinski look like (assuming he were eligible, which I don't think he is)? If not him, how about J. Michael Luttig?

Is it completely unknown to pick the President or Vice President from the judicial branch?
2.6.2008 10:37pm
Gaius Marius:
Where is Lucius Cornelius Sulla when you need him?!?!?!
2.6.2008 10:47pm
Lev:
Naomi Watts?
2.6.2008 11:04pm
Cornellian (mail):
Naomi Watts?

She'd get my vote.
2.6.2008 11:43pm
JoshL (mail):

Where is Lucius Cornelius Sulla when you need him?!?!?!


Or Gaius Marius, perhaps (although, if we're worried about traitors, one could always go for Lucius Sergius Catilina).

On the other hand, what McCain really needs is another Marcus Tulius Cicero, but that doesn't seem very forthcoming right now
2.7.2008 12:00am
Syd Henderson (mail):
Watts used to be my congressman. Pretty good one, although he's conservative (but not extreme) and I'm pretty liberal. Even voted for him once. I heard him lecture once. He's pleasant, intelligent, not quite up to Obama standards but nice to listen to. There were some questions about a loan that came up that he seemed to have a blind spot as to why it was questionable. (Essentially he was using his position as Corporation Commissioner to get the loan and there was a bit of conflict there.)

I don't really see him as a possible president, but he wouldn't scare me like Giuliani or Huckabee do.

When he retired, the only black Republican representative got replaced by the only registered Native American congressman.
2.7.2008 12:07am
Syd Henderson (mail):
I should mention, Watts would probably make a good governor if he decided to run here. I wouldn't be surprised if he won.
2.7.2008 12:09am
Barry P. (mail):
Yeah, and Watts came thisclose to upsetting the Warren Moon-led Edmonton Eskimos when he was with the Ottawa Rough Riders in 1981.
2.7.2008 12:15am
Borat (mail):
Rice, Powell (after Iraq), and Steele can be tarred as tokens.

No one is going to say JC Watts is not authentically black. Nor is anyone going to question his conservatism.

I can't see anyone having a negative reaction, frankly.
2.7.2008 12:27am
John D (mail) (www):
I could go for J.C. Watts as VP. I would also like to see Fred Thompson as AG or SC Justice rather than VP.
2.7.2008 12:32am
Duffy Pratt (mail):
If he was going to pick a VP from the judicial branch, the one's most likely to get the conservative vote back on his side would be Breyer, Souter, or Ginsberg.
2.7.2008 12:37am
Cornellian (mail):
Where is Lucius Cornelius Sulla when you need him?!?!?!

Or Gaius Marius, perhaps (although, if we're worried about traitors, one could always go for Lucius Sergius Catilina).


Would be kind of fun to match current U.S. politicians to the closest corresponding politician from the late Roman Republic, not on political views (which is impossible, the issues of the day were too different) but just on general manner and style.
2.7.2008 1:12am
JohnAnnArbor:

Rice, Powell (after Iraq), and Steele can be tarred as tokens.

Only by people who are ignorant, racist, or both.
2.7.2008 1:15am
cardeblu (mail):
genob
Seriously, I have wondered why he seemed to just drop what seemed to be a very promising political career that had no where to go but up.
I could be wrong, but I think JC Watts was one of the very few (if not the only one) who fulfilled his own term-limit promise. Again, I could be wrong.

I think he would be a good choice, as well as Fred or a few others. Before my first and second choices dropped out (Fred and Rudy), I placed McCain as a nose-holder for third, and Mitt and Huckabee as needing a barf bag. I've changed a little on Mitt (closer to merely a nose-holder), but if McCain picks Huckabee for VP, my hands are going to be too full to pull that lever. That doesn't mean I won't try, but.........ugh!
2.7.2008 1:20am
Dave N (mail):
I think JC Watts was one of the very few (if not the only one) who fulfilled his own term-limit promise.
Two quick points. First, J.C. Watts said he would stay for 3 terms and actually served 4.

Second, there have been others who have kept term limit pledges, even from Oklahoma. Senator Tom Coburn said he would serve only 3 terms in the House and served exactly 3 terms in the House. He was actually out of office for four years before ending his House career and being elected to the Senate.

I could name others--Bob Inglis and Jim DeMint of South Carolina, to name 2--who have also kept their pledge to serve only a limited amount of time in Congress.
2.7.2008 2:11am
Dave N (mail):
Oops--In the last post I wrote that Tom Coburn "actually was out of office for four years before ending his House career and being elected to the Senate."

Actually, the sentence should have read, Tom Coburn "was actually out of office for four years between his House career and being elected to the Senate."

Preview is your friend. And posting late at night is often counterproductive.
2.7.2008 2:15am
Hoosier:
McCain-Alexander

You heard it here first.
2.7.2008 3:26am
Hoosier:
McCain-Palin

You heard it here first.
2.7.2008 6:31am
Hoosier:
McCain-Palin

Because: http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/ resources/2006/12/Miss%20Wasilla%201984.jpg
2.7.2008 6:39am
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
McCain-Alexander

You heard it here first.
Lamar, or Jason?
2.7.2008 7:45am
Ralph Phelan (mail):
egn &jcr:

Considering how much the Presidency aged healthy middle-aged men like Carter, Clinton &G. W. Bush, I'd say whoever McCain picks as his running mate has a very good chance of inheriting the Presidency.

The Presidency wouldn't kill MCain if he could run a Reagan/Eisenhower style White House where he keeps a sane workload by delegating authority, but that doesn't strike me as compatible with McCain's personality.
2.7.2008 8:32am
Justin (mail):
"Jindal, Watts,Rice or Steele"

Yes, I wonder what these 4 have in common ::hmmmmm::

This entire thread is silly.
2.7.2008 9:10am
Virginian:


Rice, Powell (after Iraq), and Steele can be tarred as tokens.



Only by people who are ignorant, racist, or both.



Every black conservative is tarred as a token, or worse (e.g. Uncle Tom, oreo, etc.)

Disclaimer: I am by no means conceding that Powell is a conservative.
2.7.2008 9:11am
Bretzky (mail):
I'm hoping McCain goes with Zombie Reagan as his Veep. The constitution may limit someone to two terms as president, but it says nothing about your zombie reincarnation serving out the term of a dead president.

And as Ned Flanders so eloquently pointed out, "You can't kill the undead, silly." So, we wouldn't have to go through the hassle of finding a new VP if Zombie Regan did move up to the big chair.
2.7.2008 9:39am
Bretzky (mail):
TechieLaw:


Is it completely unknown to pick the President or Vice President from the judicial branch?

No, it's not entirely unknown. In 1916 Charles Evans Hughes resigned from the Supreme Court to face Woodrow Wilson in the presidential election that year. He lost, of course, but did wind up back on the court in 1930 when Herbert Hoover selected him to succeed William Howard Taft as Chief Justice.

I personally don't think that McCain can pick anyone but a middle-aged white guy as his VP. Selecting anyone from a racial minority group or a woman--except for perhaps Colin Powell or Elizabeth Dole--will look like nothing more than political pandering. Looking like a panderer would be a death sentence for McCain's presidential aspirations.

Given his years in Washington, McCain has to pick someone from outside the Beltway (i.e., a governor). Given his weakness in the South, McCain has to pick a Southerner. Given his weakness amongst religious voters, McCain has to pick a self-identified evangelical.

I can't say for sure who fits all of those criteria, but the current list of white male Southern Republican governors is: Bob Riley (64, AL); Charlie Crist (52, FL); Sonny Perdue (62, GA); Haley Barbour (61, MS); Mark Sanford (48, SC); and Rick Perry (58, TX). And of course, let's not forget former Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee.

From what limited information I have on each of those guys, I think Crist would be the most likely candidate. He has the advantage of being a popular governor in a Southern state that the Republicans are not a shoo-in to win.
2.7.2008 10:04am
anonthu:
I would also like to see Fred Thompson as AG or SC Justice

He does have the experience
2.7.2008 10:28am
Dave N (mail):
Given his years in Washington, McCain has to pick someone from outside the Beltway (i.e., a governor). Given his weakness in the South, McCain has to pick a Southerner. Given his weakness amongst religious voters, McCain has to pick a self-identified evangelical.
I am not sure a Southerner is required. If the deep South is not in the Republican column from Day 1, then McCain might as well hang it up right now.

Kay Bailey Hutchison will be 65 this year--and frankly, having 2 Republicans old enough to be Barack Obama's parents on the ticket might not be the best thing to do.

Lamar Alexander will be 68 this year--and I believe that his age will disqualify him from serious consideration.

I still think McCain has to go beyond "Middle Aged White Guy" and have a running mate who will create "buzz."
2.7.2008 11:04am
OrdinaryColoradan (mail):
Fredheads were talking about Watts as a running mate - younger, energetic, fairly charismatic speaker, solid conservative, religious but not wearing it on his sleeve (the Dobson types like him). Western state. Effective in Congress, heald leadership positions there same one as Cheney I think. Doing well as a corporate leader and executive. Would do well in debates.

All in all, a great balancer for McCain.

And yes he is black. Race is important this election, like it or not - the Dems have called the tune in terms of identity politics, and the MSM will force us all to dance to it, no matter how distasteful.

If Hillary games Obama out of the race, then the black vote will be as splintered as the conservative vote is. If Obama is the D nominee or VP, Watts gives the GOP at least a symbolic presence other than "old white DC insiders".

As for Fred Thompson, no for VP. Not another "old white guy from DC". But there is another ... (place for Fred)

How about this:

Supreme Court Justice Thompson.

A federalist on the highest court in the land.

Think about that for a moment.

That is a job for which Fred is temperamentally perfect, and which would benefit conservatives and libertarians alike. Advantages in a D senate are: "collegiality" from his service in the Senate, his experience in guiding Chief Justice Roberts, and Thompson's reputation with his colleagues as a "fair minded" person (c.f. his split vote on the impeachment was well reasoned, and ironically gives D and R something).

So, start pushing McCain to commit to Fred Thompson as his first appointee to the SC?
2.7.2008 11:08am
TLove (mail):
Palin is by far the most inspired choice.

1. If HillBilly gets nominated, then the Repubs simply cannot run two old white guys. HillBilly will attract a significant number of republican leaning women, including my wife, just because HillBilly is half female. HillBilly's nomination will also suppress the democratic black vote, because there is no way the dems are getting through this nasty campaign, and then nominating HillBilly, without pissing off that voting group. Blacks sit out, and females don't break for HillBilly.

2. If Obama gets the nod, then many dem leaning women are up for grabs (and they are a more numerous group than black voters). Again, if the repubs run two old white guys, they have no chance whatsoever. But if they have a women vp, and the dems run Obama, the female dem vote breaks for the repubs.

3. The best choice of all for the repubs would be a black women, but at the moment, I can't think of a realistic black woman candidate (not Condi). But a female vp of any persuasion would be inspired.

4. The repubs must get away from running two old white guys. Cheney was and remains a terrible choice for Bush. Had he picked an up and coming woman vp, this election would be very tough for the dems. Cheney was an entirely wasted choice.
2.7.2008 11:23am
CJColucci:
CJColucci wrote,
Given McCain's age and uncertain health and vitality, this ticket might be genuinely scary to many Republican voters.


JohnAnnArbor wrote,
CJColucci, your assumption of Republican racism is noted. And it is also BS.


JohnAnnArbor,

Ditto!
2.6.2008 7:45pm


The proof will be in the pudding.
2.7.2008 11:24am
Hoosier:
TLove--Well, *I* would choose her. For Veep. Or pretty much anything else.

I've been shopping her name to friends who are to my right. Only one has not responded favorably. (And he's gay. Do you think that's relevant?)
2.7.2008 11:26am
PartyOfLincoln (mail):
As much as I like her, Kay Bailey is a lightweight and weakens the ticket. That and the GOP will get a reputation for putting cheerleaders in the White House.

It has to be Thompson. That ticket has coattails, which we desperately need...perhaps more than in 2004.
2.7.2008 11:43am
TLove (mail):
Hoosier:

You would think the rocket scientists running these campaigns would understand the stupidity of running two old white guys on either party's ticket (although the dems appear to be unable to be that stupid this year).

But what the repubs will do is run one extremely old white guy, McCain, and then in classic insulated committee stupid group think, "balance" the ticket with ... another extremely old white guy. Whereupon they deserve to and will lose badly. Bob Dole as presidential candidate is the paradigm result of this moronic groupthink.

Palin or a choice like her is so painfully obvious that you would think even Karl Rove would get it but they won't.

The repubs need to pay attention this time. They will either be running against the first black presidential candidate or the first female candidate, and if the problem either creates for is not excruciatingly obvious to them (and it won't be) they will lose big.
2.7.2008 11:43am
TLove (mail):
And I'm a Fred Thompson fan. But if the Repubs run McCain/Thompson, they will lose 40-45 states. It will be a Mondale style *sswhopping.

And all McCain needs to do to get us Thompson voters is to make it clear that Thompson will be AG (although I think Rudy plays well in that shadow cabinet position) and is on his real short list for his first scotus pick.
2.7.2008 11:49am
mtl (mail):
Bretzky said:

I can't say for sure who fits all of those criteria, but the current list of white male Southern Republican governors is: Bob Riley (64, AL); Charlie Crist (52, FL); Sonny Perdue (62, GA); Haley Barbour (61, MS); Mark Sanford (48, SC); and Rick Perry (58, TX). And of course, let's not forget former Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee.
The sad thing is that Jeb Bush will never get a chance for obvious reasons. He has all the charms of Crist and more -- he's conservative, popular, a former governor of FL (out by term limits, not a loss), youngish and handsome, speaks Spanish, etc.

Crist is rather untested and, IMO, seems too much like a crony, having bounced around between lesser and rather unrelated political jobs -- FL Senate (6 years), horribly failed bid for US Senate, appointment as Deputy Secretary of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (2 years), special election to Education Commissioner of Florida (a position that was already slated for elimination by constitutional amendment shortly thereafter), elected as State Attorney General (four years), and in 2006 elected as governor. And, he's not married, which may give social conservatives pause.

Not a lot of executive experience, but on the other hand, he might deliver Florida, which could be crucial if conservatives don't stay home in November.
2.7.2008 12:15pm
mtl (mail):
TLove said:

Palin or a choice like her is so painfully obvious that you would think even Karl Rove would get it but they won't.
Palin's a little short on credentials and high-level executive experience at this point to be McCain's backup, don't you think? Give her a few years, maybe. On the other hand, she could deliver Alaska's massive 3 electoral votes.
2.7.2008 12:35pm
Derrick (mail):
Who would have ever guessed that the Party of anti-preferences, "color-blindness" and preventing a few extra minority students from getting into state colleges has now jumped on the "Affirmative Action for VP" train?

It would be too easy to list why each of the choices, save Collin Powell, are rather under-qualified for VP other than the fact that they distract people from noticing that everyone in the GOP's tent is an old white man. So, I'll just compliment the cognitive dissonance required, when maintaining power is more important than all other factors.
2.7.2008 12:41pm
DeezRightWingNutz:
Maybe if JC was VP, he'd get the NCAA to look at USC instead of OU, OK?
2.7.2008 12:55pm
DeezRightWingNutz:
If you're going to pick an Oklahoman football player, I'd go with Largent. I love that guy.

Man, I should move back to Oklahoma. Their senators and reps are/were the best. Coburn, Largent, Watts... Even David Boren was pretty good, and he seems to be a helluva university president (except that whole crackdown on drinking thing).
2.7.2008 12:59pm
Justin (mail):
Yes, if John McCain goes out of left field to pick a relatively black guy in order to increase the appeal of his campaign, that will *appear to be* pandering.

That silly left winged media!
2.7.2008 1:07pm
Hoosier:
>>Palin's a little short on credentials and high-level executive experience at this point

Yeah. But so is Obama.

>>to pick a relatively black guy

Yeah. But so is Obama.
2.7.2008 1:28pm
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
I can't say for sure who fits all of those criteria, but the current list of white male Southern Republican governors is: Bob Riley (64, AL); Charlie Crist (52, FL); Sonny Perdue (62, GA); Haley Barbour (61, MS); Mark Sanford (48, SC); and Rick Perry (58, TX).
Oh no, not Rick Perry. No way in Hades do I want someone who would entertain an eminent-domain-abuse-on-steroids scheme like the Trans-Texas Corridor to ascend to national politics. (He's my governor, FYI.)

McCain needs someone who's strong where he's weak - a charismatic person, who's conservative on economics and has solid plans in that area, and who knows how to communicate with conservatives. Mitt seems to fit all three, but I suspect there's too much bad blood for that pairing to happen. Huck fails on the first two (the Club for Growth documents his fiscal statism), and his ability to relate to conservates - even his fellow evangelicals - is selective.

Man, this is just so depressing. I really don't want to wait for the next decade to get decent fiscal policy. I don't believe in nothing no more. I'm going to law school.
2.7.2008 1:38pm
Justin (mail):
That should have said "relatively obscure" sorry.

And yes, you figured out Obama's appeal. It's bc he's black. After all, we've nominated Jackson, Sharpton, and Mosely-Brown the last three times around, right?
2.7.2008 1:54pm
TLove (mail):
Experience? JFK? HillBilly? Gov of Ark, one term senator from ny? Our most "experienced" recent prez is arguably is GB I, and his "experience" brought us 8 years of HillBilly.

Obama?

You're kidding right? Seriously. When, ever, has experience mattered? What experience exactly. RR was gov of CA. Jimmah was gov of GA. What is this "experience" of which you speak.

The dems are either playing the race card or the gender card this year, with all barrels firing (and hell, since we don't know who the dem vp will be, they may be playing BOTH the gender and race card). The GOP will be showing up to a gun fight using their AARP membership cards as their only weapons.

McCain/Palin all the way. He will nuke em to death, and she will cute em to death. Rudy for AG, Fred for SG.
2.7.2008 2:30pm
TLove (mail):
Let me correct that. The Repubs will be showing up to a gun fight with their AARP cards in one hand and their Augusta National membership cards in the other.

McCain picks a white guy, and by the end of this campaign, the repubs will be longing wistfully for the presidential campaign brilliance that was Bob Dole.
2.7.2008 2:38pm
Bretzky (mail):
Alan K. Henderson:


McCain needs someone who's strong where he's weak - a charismatic person, who's conservative on economics and has solid plans in that area, and who knows how to communicate with conservatives. Mitt seems to fit all three, but I suspect there's too much bad blood for that pairing to happen. Huck fails on the first two (the Club for Growth documents his fiscal statism), and his ability to relate to conservates - even his fellow evangelicals - is selective.

Man, this is just so depressing. I really don't want to wait for the next decade to get decent fiscal policy. I don't believe in nothing no more. I'm going to law school.

The person who interests me the most--although, I must admit I do not know much about him--is Nevada Senator John Ensign. He seems to be a solid social and fiscal conservative, but is someone who works well across-the-aisle. His position on Iraq seems to be close to McCain's--although he seems to be more to the right on immigration and campaign finance. He's about 20 years younger than McCain and strikes me--from what I have seen of him--as a personable character. I have no idea what his relationship with McCain is in the Senate, but I think it would be an interesting pairing.

Do any Nevadans--or any other folks for that matter--have any information on him to fill in the blanks?
2.7.2008 2:50pm
mtl (mail):
TLove said:
Experience? JFK? HillBilly? Gov of Ark, one term senator from ny? Our most "experienced" recent prez is arguably is GB I, and his "experience" brought us 8 years of HillBilly.

Obama?

You're kidding right? Seriously. When, ever, has experience mattered? What experience exactly. RR was gov of CA. Jimmah was gov of GA. What is this "experience" of which you speak.
Regarding Palin and Crist, I'm just saying that neither of them have finished even one term as governor. With respect to their other experience, Crist held lesser positions in state government, while former beauty-pageant contestant Palin's only prior experience was being mayor of an Anchorage suburb.

I'm just saying that most people don't want to give the launch codes to someone who is a relative unknown. Does this disqualify Obama, too? Quite possibly.

Get Obama and Palin on one ticket, though, and you may have enough youth and good looks to win it all!
2.7.2008 3:08pm
Mac (mail):

The proof will be in the pudding

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CJColucci:,
To mean what? If Republicans don't vote for a guy who has a 100% liberal voting record and is way to the left of Hillary, it is ONLY because they are racist? I have no doubt that the MSM will play it that way, if it were to happen and he lost, but it's absurd.

Speaking of racism, Hispanic Democrats in Calif and elsewhere did NOT vote for Obama at all. Hmmm. Neither did Democrat Asians. There is serious doubt that he can carry Texas because Democrat Hispanic's won't vote for a black man, it seems. Lots of bad blood there.

I think McCain needs a Hispanic on the ticket. Unfortunately, my personal favorite is the Democratic Governor of New Mexico, so I guess that leaves Richardson out. It has been noted that even though Richardson has the most experience by far of any Democrat candidate, he didn't have a prayer of winning. Interesting, no? Could be a good play if McCain could find a Hispanic with conservative credentials who is charismatic and younger, like Obama. I can't offhand, think of anyone.

Any ideas?
2.7.2008 3:18pm
Toby:
If he wanted someone like Lieberman (meaning someone who ageed with him on many issues) but wanted younger, I think Mac is right, I think the former NM governor is an inspired choice...
2.7.2008 4:08pm
Ralph Phelan (mail):
McCain needs someone who's strong where he's weak - a charismatic person, who's conservative on economics and has solid plans in that area, and who knows how to communicate with conservatives. Mitt seems to fit all three

Romney? Charsimatic? Are we talking about the same guy?

I guess it's a matter of taste, but I sure don't see it.
2.7.2008 4:11pm
TLove (mail):
And here's another thing the Grand Oldman Party should consider:

Obama/Feinstein.

Obama has run his campaign almost perfectly. He stayed away from the Jena 6. He has stayed away from Jackson/Sharpton (although he and Jackson are buddies in chicago). His only sour note is the lapel flag incident, and I bet he will be wearing one by election day. He has to avoid at all costs being the "black" candidate, and he has (except for the lapel flag).

If he gets the nod and then picks a senior dem woman (a big sister as it were, and most definitely not Hildebeast), a Feinsteinian type, and then the repubs show up to the fight with their slashing AARP cards, then the least embarrassing course for the repubs will be to simply concede the election. That would be better than the 49-1 regeanesque stomping they will get otherwise. you will be looking at 60 dem senators and a strongly dem house.

Eventually, Ruth Ginsberg will be viewed as the hard right of the scotus.
2.7.2008 4:14pm
Ralph Phelan (mail):
McCain doesn't need a Hispanic on the ticket, he's getting enough grief from the base already, unless he can find an anti-illegal-immigration Hispanic (Like the late Cesar Chavez was).

He McCain doesn't particularly need to reach out to the social conservatives. He may not be their first choice, but he doesn't actively piss them off. He does need to increase his appeal with free-market types. After admitting you don't know much about economics, there's something to be said for picking a running mate who does. He doesn't really need an attack-dog surrogate, as he's pretty good at doing that stuff himself.

But most of all what he needs is someone young, healthy, and ready to step right into the Presidency. The guy is 72 years old fercrissakes!
2.7.2008 4:17pm
A Law Unto Himself:

Obama/Feinstein


Bring it on!
2.7.2008 4:45pm
Hoosier:
I still like Palin.

BUT, if the GOP wants a Veep who has more expereince than Obama, let's have McCain and Heather Wilson.
2.8.2008 8:04am
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
What about Russ Feingold?
2.8.2008 10:41am
Mac (mail):

McCain doesn't need a Hispanic on the ticket, he's getting enough grief from the base already, unless he can find an anti-illegal-immigration Hispanic (Like the late Cesar Chavez was).


Ralph, they do exist. Richardson is pretty tough on illegal immigration. As I said before, though, he is a Democrat so probably not a good choice for McCain.
2.8.2008 2:51pm
DJ (mail):
Watts: Not ready for prime time.

Bring on Chris Cox!!
2.8.2008 3:11pm
mtl (mail):
DJ said:
Bring on Chris Cox!!
He may have the financial moxie to complement McCain's admitted weakness (honest, but neither Dem is going to admit to anything more than having a messy desk), but unfortunately it also seems that Mac needs someone in excellent health to get his back. Cox says he's been in pain every day for the last 27 years, and that might actually disqualify him here. Seems a bit crazy, but I doubt they want the kind of question this might leave in some voters' minds.
2.8.2008 7:41pm