Which Law Schools Rank Below the Undergraduate Institutions with Which They're Affiliated?

Paul Caron has the data, based on the U.S. News rankings; this complements his earlier post on law schools that outrank their undergraduate institutions.

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  1. Which Law Schools Rank Below the Undergraduate Institutions with Which They're Affiliated?
  2. Which Law Schools Outrank the Undergraduate Institutions With Which They're Affiliated?
Michigan State should get an asterisk: They only took on that law school last wednesday. If I remember correctly.
11.19.2007 2:15pm
Anonymouseducator (mail) (www):
I wonder if he compared Penn State-Dickinson to Penn State or Dickinson.
11.19.2007 2:46pm
Robert Sitkoff:
Where's Princeton? Oh, wait... ... ...HARVARD RULES!
11.19.2007 2:47pm
Ben P (mail):

I have assigned schools in Tier 3 and Tier 4 the percentile ranking of the midpoint of those tiers because U.S. News does not disclose the actual rank of those schools.

I take issue with this because it makes my school look bad, and the other law school in this state was in the higher than undergraduate institution list.

Which is completely a good reason...or something.

It was the subject of much consternation here when we dropped out of the second tier several years ago and they've subsequently put quite a bit of money into various things attempting to get the ranking back up again.

For that reason I expect we're significantly higher than the midpoint of tier three. To then show us as 19% below our parent university and the other law school in the state which is also third tier, but linked to a much smaller state university seems slightly unfair.

Or it could just be sour grapes.
11.19.2007 3:07pm
steve lubet (mail):
The comparison is somewhat distorted by the fact that USN&WR ranks research universities separately from liberal arts colleges. In actuality, the 30th ranked university is probably the 40th (or 50th) best "undergraduate institution."
11.19.2007 3:09pm
steve lubet--From your mouth to God's ears, my friend. But I have never understood how one can give credence to any ranking of undergrad programs--factoring out graduate and professional reputations from the rankings.

How do you compare, say, Ohio State and Wabash College (IN) for "undergraduate quality"? I mean, the experience is not comparable. So which is "better"? Depends on what the student wants from college. And since USNWR seems to suggest this is a problem--why else have different rankings for small colleges, regional colleges, etc.--the whole think is just in vain.

Or perhaps I should say that I'll buy into it just as soon as Consumer Reports starts ranking all makes and models of vehicles on the same chart. Which is a "better" vehicle: The Lexus SUV or the Toyota Camry?
11.19.2007 4:14pm
uh clem (mail):
Ranking of colleges by academic prestige is analogous to the pre-season ranking their football teams - or would be if the teams never got around to actually playing any games against each other.

If college football programs were ranked this way (based on reputation without ever having to prove anything on the field) Harvard Yale and Princeton would probably still be 1 2 and 3.
11.19.2007 4:32pm
Tony Tutins (mail):
My local law school is part of a top USNWR "regional university," which thus falls outside the national ranking system.
11.19.2007 6:16pm