The Volokh Conspiracy

The Bizarro "Ayn Rand School for Tots":

John J. Miller reports on the Hilltop Children's Center's decision to ban Legos.

The teachers themselves have provided a helpful explanation for this. This reads like a joke (its like a Bizarro world "Ayn Rand School for Tots"), but from what I can tell it is quite serious, and is publsihed in "Rethinking Schools Online". The story picks up after the accidental demolition of the class's massive Legotown project and the question of whether to rebuild:

We met as a teaching staff later that day. We saw the decimation of Lego-town as an opportunity to launch a critical evaluation of Legotown and the inequities of private ownership and hierarchical authority on which it was founded. Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation. We knew that the examination would have the most impact if it was based in engaged exploration and reflection rather than in lots of talking. We didn't want simply to step in as teachers with a new set of rules about how the children could use Legos, exchanging one set of authoritarian rules with another. Ann suggested removing the Legos from the classroom. This bold decision would demonstrate our discomfort with the issues we saw at play in Legotown. And it posed a challenge to the children: How might we create a "community of fairness" about Legos?

Taking the Legos out of the classroom was both a commitment and a risk. We expected that looking frankly at the issues of power and inequity that had shaped Legotown would hold conflict and discomfort for us all. We teachers talked long and hard about the decision. We shared our own perspectives on issues of private ownership, wealth, and limited resources. One teacher described her childhood experience of growing up without much money and her instinctive critical judgments about people who have wealth and financial ease. Another teacher shared her allegiance to the children who had been on the fringes of Legotown, wanting more resources but not sure how to get them without upsetting the power structure. We knew that our personal experiences and beliefs would shape our decision-making and planning for the children, and we wanted to be as aware as we could about them.

We also discussed our beliefs about our role as teachers in raising political issues with young children. We recognized that children are political beings, actively shaping their social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity — whether we interceded or not. We agreed that we want to take part in shaping the children's understandings from a perspective of social justice. So we decided to take the Legos out of the classroom.

I was relieved to learn that after the students completed their reeducation course they and their comrades were allowed to actually play with the Legos again:

This "practice" round of Lego construction served as a foundation for a full-fledged return of Legos to their front-and-center place in the classroom, but with a new location in the consciousness of the group. In preparation for bringing Legos back, we held several meetings with the children to generate a set of key principles for Lego play. We met with small groups of children over snack or as we walked to and from the park, posing questions like "If you were going to play with Legos, what would be important to you?" "What would be different if we bring the Legos back to the classroom? How could we make it different?" "What could we do if we fall into old habits with the Legos?" From our conversations, several themes emerged.

Collectivity is a good thing:

Personal expression matters:

Shared power is a valued goal:

Moderation and equal access to resources are things to strive for:

As teachers, we were excited by these comments. The children gave voice to the value that collectivity is a solid, energizing way to organize a community — and that it requires power-sharing, equal access to resources, and trust in the other participants. They expressed the need, within collectivity, for personal expression, for being acknowledged as an individual within the group. And finally, they named the deep satisfaction of shared engagement and investment, and the ways in which the participation of many people deepens the experience of membership in community for everyone.

Sounds like we need to put these guys in charge of rebuilding New Orleans!

John Marshall Robnson (mail):
They should simply build Legotown under a veil of ignorance, with each child randomly drawing for which Legohouse they will get once the project in finished.
3.28.2007 6:12pm
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Actually, it sounds just like a dozen team building exercises and the theme of all those stupid skinny management books (e.g. Who Moved My Cheese) you are forced to read and put on yearly evaluations at most corporations in this country.
3.28.2007 6:16pm
tefta (mail):
Thank God that when most people grow up, they put away childish things.
3.28.2007 6:16pm
Gabriel Malor (mail):
Y'know, I clicked on the comments link hoping for some good snark from the commenters and darn it all, you three really brought it today. Thank you.
3.28.2007 6:20pm
AppSocRes (mail):
Another amusing aspect is that only extremely well-off, left-wing professionals send their kids to schools like this -- with a few poor non-white scholarship kids tossed in for "diversity".
3.28.2007 6:25pm
dog (mail):
I guess it's easier to focus on this sort of thing that it is to actually, you know, teach children the three R's.
3.28.2007 6:29pm
Bleepless (mail):
To put it as gently as possible, those "teachers" are unfit for any position of trust.
3.28.2007 6:32pm
BT:
I am sorry to do this but I have to use this posting as a test as I, and apparently a pretty good percentage of others, have had a hard time accessing the site for the last few weeks. This is only a test......
3.28.2007 6:33pm
elChato (mail):
Todd,

here in New Orleans the concept of the "inequities of private ownership" is fully ingrained. If you don't believe me, just try walking around with a purse or wallet at night.
3.28.2007 6:46pm
Rick Wilcox (www):
dog:
I guess it's easier to focus on this sort of thing that it is to actually, you know, teach children the three R's.

Reality, Rationality, and individual Rights? But that might teach children that it's okay to have things that are their own, and not give them to anyone who wants them! And it would take time away from teaching children nursery rhyme songs like "The Only Way The Revolutionary Line Will Succeed Is With Hard Labor; I Must Toil For The Betterment Of The State". Maybe they can have an SEZ in Legotown?

(Side note: The proper terminology is "LEGO X", where X is "bricks", "elements", "toys", etc.)
3.28.2007 6:49pm
Guest12345:
Egads Or is this new?
3.28.2007 6:52pm
DaveN (mail):
For some reason after reading this I have a mental picture of one of those kindergartens in Beijing (or Pyongyang) where all the children are in identical uniforms. learning rigid conformity, with Chairman Mao (or Kim Il-Sung) benevolently looking down on them.
3.28.2007 7:04pm
Nigel Kearney (mail) (www):
The kids didn't have to do any work to create the lego pieces. A world with a fixed quantity of goods that don't require work to produce them probably should be subject to different rules than the actual world.

The teachers may be nuts but their solution is not necessarily the wrong one.
3.28.2007 7:09pm
Gabriel Malor (mail):
BT, if you are having trouble getting to "www.volokh.com" try http://volokh.powerblogs.com/ instead (or vice versa).
3.28.2007 7:15pm
Anderson (mail):
Man, I knew that sh*t was from Seattle before I clicked on the link.

Seattle is all about making California look normal. No wonder Windows sucks.
3.28.2007 7:19pm
J. F. Thomas (mail):
What is so horribly wrong with what the teachers did? So maybe they went a little overboard on the "everybody is evil". But according to the article, the Legos (which belong to the school) had been taken over by a small group of kids who had claimed ownership over it. Who were they to decide who got to play with the legos?
3.28.2007 7:21pm
Shangui (mail):
Wasn't this blogged about on this site weeks ago by Prof. Somin?
3.28.2007 7:29pm
BGates (www):
I think it provides a valuable lesson for the kids:
People talking about 'social justice' => my stuff gets taken away.
3.28.2007 7:31pm
Colin (mail):
I guess it's easier to focus on this sort of thing that it is to actually, you know, teach children the three R's.

Reality, Rationality, and individual Rights?


No, Rationing and Reallocation of Resources.
3.28.2007 7:47pm
JPL:
I think the best way to teach them how the world works would be to put all the kids in a giant circle, arming each with a pitchfork, net or battle ax, and then toss a few legos into the middle of the circle. Nature will take its course and eventually a Spartacus toddler will rise above the others to control all the legos. Mini-Spartacus can then dictate to the other tots with a simple thumbs up or down who gets to play at lego time and who doesn't.
3.28.2007 7:54pm
K:
Most children go through an age when they like collective organization. It is the time when they join the Boy Scouts, etc. There is intense bonding.

Paths diverge in the teen years and personal goals replace group goals. But everyone remains a meld of the me-me-me child, the joiner, and the self-directed adult.

These teachers are working with kids interested in Legos. Such is exactly the age when collectivity kicks in strong. The kids want to cooperate and bond. If these teachers don't realize that they have no idea of child development.

Many on the left are there because they place a high priority on the collective years experience. They do not move beyond that. Notice I said many, others certainly arrive there by other paths.

Nigel had a good observation. Legos and early schooling is not a realistic model of the adult world. The Legos Rules codify roughly what the children would naturally do anyway.

And as he notes: the teachers may be nuts. If not, they fake it well enough to fool me. er..
3.28.2007 7:55pm
JPL:
This demonstrates the problems with putting pinkos in charge of anything. They agonize and agonize to the point that nothing ever gets accomplished. And when they do actually make a decision, they either blame the poor outcome on some impure force that interceded or simply revise history to their liking. Notice the discussion of the "several themes that emerged." All wishful thinking. They didn't see little Johnny punch little Ricky in the bathroom 10 minutes later for his lunch money. So much for collectivity.
3.28.2007 7:58pm
Mark Congdon (mail) (www):
Seems to me that if those teachers really want to encourage communalism, they should take those Legos and go around to every school within driving distance, sharing them with the kids at those schools (who, I would wager, don't have nearly as many toys and goodies as kids as a high-class private school). What's more, they should model true communality to their students by taking their personal possessions (say, their car or a large chunk of their salary) and distributing it equally with some of the less-fortunate people living around them.

Maybe they could demonstrate the excellence of equality of resource distribution by ensuring that every paid employee of the school, from the top administrator to the guy who cleans the toilets at night, gets exactly equal pay and benefits.

Show me a school that does that, and I'll believe they mean what they say about communality and equal sharing of resources. Anything short of that is just trying to indoctrinate kids on a theoretical idea with no practical viability, and is therefore a waste of valuable time.
3.28.2007 8:42pm
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Seriously, where do you guys all work and what do you do?

Apparently none of you work in a technical field because you would never get anything done.
3.28.2007 8:56pm
Observer (mail):
The best part of the New Order of Legos was the requirement that all the buildings be standardized. These teachers, I'm sure, rhapsodize over the glories of Soviet and Cuban apartment blocks.

Putting snarkiness aside for a moment, the worse thing the teachers did was to tell these kids to forget about imagination and play and instead to conform to their ideal of "social justice." These are horrible people, make no mistake.

If the problem was that some kids wouldn't share, wouldn't the obvious solution be to take all the legos, divide them up among the kids, and tell them to go play? Sheesh, you can't make this stuff up.
3.28.2007 9:05pm
john (mail):
I find the original article fascinating. You can see so many “high” economic concepts being grasped by the children, and being totally ignored by the teachers. For example, the Legos were part of a common pool. In order to avoid the “tragedy of the commons” the children intuitively knew how to establish property rights (despite all the brainwashing of the teachers). They set up a market; and assigned value based on aesthetics, and scarcity. Each child was trying to maximize his or her “power,” but in the “capitalist” Lago Town the children were also maximizing their collective effort. The kids built huge buildings and an interdependent system of airports, firehouses and the like.

As I read the story, it seemed that the teachers conditioned the return of the Legos upon unanimous consent among the children on what the rules of distribution would be. Under this artificial constraint each student still sought to maximize his or her share of the Legos, thus resulting in an equal distribution of the Legos. The requirement of equality imposed transaction cost that rendered the building of huge buildings; airports; and firehouses cost-prohibitive. The maximum collective effort was not being achieved by the “socialist” Lego Town.
3.28.2007 9:19pm
hey (mail):
Unless these teachers give away their salary to Darfurian refugees and sleep in bus shelters, they should STFU.
3.28.2007 9:20pm
Dr. T (mail) (www):
And finally, they named the deep satisfaction of shared engagement and investment, and the ways in which the participation of many people deepens the experience of membership in community for everyone.
I somehow doubt the tots said any such thing. The kids either parroted what the teachers wanted to hear, or the teachers put their own spin on what the kids said. Of course, the teachers cannot admit that the whole lego city problem was blown out of proportion. Kids usually can work out problems with shared toys without adult intervention and socialist rhetoric.
3.28.2007 9:24pm
American Psikhushka (mail) (www):
This is great. We love the idea of making the world better, therefore we teach children economic systems that require totalitarianism to exist and are formulas for poverty, oppression, and starvation.
3.28.2007 9:30pm
American Psikhushka (mail) (www):
JPL-

Nature will take its course and eventually a Spartacus toddler will rise above the others to control all the legos. Mini-Spartacus can then dictate to the other tots with a simple thumbs up or down who gets to play at lego time and who doesn't.

Actually I think a better term for the toddler who rises through violence and treachery would be Mini-Caligula. Mini-Spartacus would eventually rise up and lead a popular uprising, promising a more bountiful supply of juice-boxes. His reign would be marked by fairly pedestrian populist totalitarianism. Hundreds of years later a Mini-Jefferson would appear showing all the benefits of the recognition of fundamental natural rights.
3.28.2007 9:37pm
Rick Wilcox (www):
J. F. Thomas:
What is so horribly wrong with what the teachers did? So maybe they went a little overboard on the "everybody is evil".
The "point-value" experiment seemed, in and of itself, skewed towards entrenching feelings of disenfranchisement in the children who did not start off as winners - while the article talks about democratization, and the point-value exercise references meritocracy, both concepts are sorely lacking in that experiment. Only those who started off winners by chance - since the rules were unknown prior to the selection of bricks - could set new rules. This is neither meritocracy nor democracy, instead instilling in the children a concept of capitalism reminiscent of Mao's Cultural Revolution.

But according to the article, the Legos (which belong to the school) had been taken over by a small group of kids who had claimed ownership over it. Who were they to decide who got to play with the legos?
The teachers' solution went far beyond making the resources themselves publicly-accessible; in the end, all structures (including houses) were seen as public or community structures, with any player able to use any structure at any time, with only modifications to the structures being handled on a "licensure" basis. To quote a child via the article:
You get to build and you have a lot of fun and people get to build onto your structure with you, and it doesn't have to be the same way as when you left it.... A house is good because it is a community house.

Seriously, where do you guys all work and what do you do?

Apparently none of you work in a technical field because you would never get anything done.


How so? I've worked as a software developer for a defense contractor and as a support analyst for a firm supplying helpdesk services to law firms that either did not have or no longer wanted to maintain an internal helpdesk. In both of those jobs, power structures and the proper method of working within them were (relatively) clear, as well as resource and asset management. These teachers, instead of teaching children about the potential benefits of a free-market economy (perhaps creating a "Lego brick salary" for helping other children with their buildings?), decided to teach the children that standardized buildings and community property were inherently "good" things. Standards are useful in the technical field in terms of frameworks within which one can perform effective work, but not as draconian guidelines under which all work must be accomplished, including equality of outcome.
3.28.2007 9:39pm
Lyssie (mail) (www):
And in the meantime, while the teachers are discussing the inequities of society, the kids are sitting their picking their noses and wondering when they can have their legos back. What is up with this liberal tendency to overanalyze and suck the fun out of virtually EVERYTHING!
3.28.2007 9:59pm
Maniakes (mail):
I find it interesting that the point value system lead not to the kleptocracy scenario the teachers were hoping for, but rather to rules that would improve the outcome from behind the veil of ignorance.

Overall, for all that I disagree with the conclusions the teachers were trying to lead the kids to, I was impressed by the teaching methods described. The biggest pitty here is that the teachers didn't also lead discussions exploring the emergent economic behavior john points out a few comments back, and about the veil of ignorance principle the kids seemed to intuitively grasp during the point value experiment. It would have been a great learning experience had the teachers taught the debate (to borrow a cliche) rather than their preferred conclusion.
3.28.2007 10:04pm
Lyssie (mail) (www):
"there" not "their". I cannot believe I did that. Overtired, sorry.
3.28.2007 10:14pm
FantasiaWHT:
It would seem like a "let's try this for a day or a week to study how it works and then go back to normal" sort of thing.

Kind of like how teachers have instituted arbitrary groupings (eye color, clothing color) to teach kids about discrimination- it's a great and powerful lesson, but you wouldn't teach for a whole year treating the kids with brown shoes as superior to the kids with any other color shoes.
3.28.2007 10:21pm
J. F. Thomas (mail):
How so? I've worked as a software developer for a defense contractor and as a support analyst for a firm supplying helpdesk services to law firms that either did not have or no longer wanted to maintain an internal helpdesk.

I was referring to the sneering at not only the economic concepts that is going on here but the seeming disdain for teaching these children to work cooperatively at all. The overwhelming theme here seems to be that working as cooperatively as group is socialistic and communist. That the only way to be good capitalist is to be a back stabbing, everybody for himself individualist.

Large corporations (even though they are hierarchical) are all about teamwork and respecting the individual and empowerment and all that other crap management tries to tell you to convince you to work longer, harder and smarter. Anyone who has attended a team building exercise or had to read one of those stupid books has been subjected to the same kind of feel-good talk that these kids were.

Then again, I can see why you are all so hostile to it.
3.28.2007 10:50pm
ReaderY:
Reading, writing, and mathematics are probably even more susceptible to being used in hierarchical, authoritarian ways then legos. If students are to be prepared for participation in an ideal society as these teachers see it, anything that would enable them to cope with this one would seem to be something of an obstacle.

But that said, the parents are entitled to raise their kids this way if this is what they want.
3.28.2007 11:23pm
Rick Wilcox (www):
J.F. Thomas:
The overwhelming theme here seems to be that working as cooperatively as group is socialistic and communist.
If this issue were even remotely restricted to "working collaboratively as a group", I doubt this would be as much of a problem. Would you care to respond to my comments regarding the point-value experiment, or to the "standardized/community property" ideology, rather than your hyperbolic straw man responses to the concerns over what does, in fact, amount to socialist/communist ideologies being taught as inherently "good" in the classroom?

Large corporations (even though they are hierarchical) are all about teamwork and respecting the individual and empowerment and all that other crap management tries to tell you to convince you to work longer, harder and smarter.
Yet they're still hierarchical, and - barring corrupt promotion practices - an actual example of a microcosmic meritocracy. What these children were handed was "everyone is equal, everyone can use everything, and everything will be used equally". When use-based deviation from the norm is shot down by the children, much to the delight of the teachers involved in this experiment, tell me again how that's not socialist/communist rhetoric?

Then again, I can see why you are all so hostile to it.
Is that poison I smell? In my well?
3.29.2007 12:13am
American Psikhushka (mail) (www):
J.F. Thomas-

I was referring to the sneering at not only the economic concepts that is going on here but the seeming disdain for teaching these children to work cooperatively at all. The overwhelming theme here seems to be that working as cooperatively as group is socialistic and communist.

Not at all. Teaching children to work cooperatively is fine. Trying to indoctrinate children so that their default way of looking at society and the world is collectivist, communist, socialist, etc. is pretty bad if you really understand what results those ideologies bring about. One of the unfortunate things is the teachers involved probably don't even know what those results are either.

That the only way to be good capitalist is to be a back stabbing, everybody for himself individualist.

Ah, yes. Every proponent of free market economics is a Snidely Whiplash-style robber baron wannabe. Excuse me, I have to go grease my mustache.
3.29.2007 12:31am
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Yet they're still hierarchical, and - barring corrupt promotion practices - an actual example of a microcosmic meritocracy.

Yeah, and in which bizarro corporate world do people get promoted on merit. Politics, connections, sucking up and just being lucky is as important, if not more so, than talent in the corporate world. And haven't you ever heard of the "Peter Principle". It is often a delicate balance between displaying talent and not overshadowing your boss. Not to mention, especially in technical fields, the brilliant technician who turns out to be a lousy manager.
3.29.2007 12:36am
J. F. Thomas (mail):
Ah, yes. Every proponent of free market economics is a Snidely Whiplash-style robber baron wannabe. Excuse me, I have to go grease my mustache.

Well, from the comments here, one would get that impression.
3.29.2007 12:37am
Dr. Love (mail):
Thank you for this post. Another example of wackiness for my Political Theory students. I try to teach reality, both in the classroom and in my home. My eleven year old son already knows that the day he leaves for college, the Legos are mine!
3.29.2007 12:39am
K Parker (mail):
I think this item accidently got published 4 days early.
3.29.2007 12:51am
Federal Dog:
I find it genuinely frightening just how stupid people who have been entrusted with instructional duties can be. I realize that it is difficult to staff grade school classrooms, but putting overt idiots in there is unforgivable.
3.29.2007 8:01am
Zywicki (mail):
First, my apologies to Ilya, who saw this item a few weeks ago. I was out of town that whole weekend and I missed Ilya's post. I didn't notice it until I saw John's column yesterday.

Second, let me make clear that I have no problem with teachers teaching kids to share and work together cooperatively. That's great. But there is a difference between teaching eight-year old kids good manners and teamwork on one hand versus what amounts to an ideological reeducation camp on the other. This is what makes the concept of "The Ayn Rand School for Tots" comical and the Hilltop Children's Center (or as I saw this item refered to on one other blog as "The Hugo Chavez School for Tots") equally risible.
3.29.2007 8:03am
rbj:
We recognized that children are political beings, actively shaping their social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity — whether we interceded or not

That is the inherent problem. The teachers are viewing the children through the lens of Marxism, wherein everything is political. Children are not political beings, they are kids who want to play and learn. Eventually they do learn to play cooperatively, otherwise it stops being fun for a large group of kids and they go off and do something else, leaving the few "top dog" kids holding a bag of unwanted Legos.
3.29.2007 8:28am
Anderson (mail):
J.F. Thomas, my own reaction was not so much to the situation itself, but to the gobbledygook in which the teachers wrote it up.
3.29.2007 9:21am
Mikeyes (mail):
Um, I thought that the prevailing political thought on this blog was that the market would decide the value of various ideas. In that case, why are there so many prescriptive postings agianst what the Hillside School is doing? If wealthy Seattle parents want to send their children to this whacky waste of time and education, let them. It means that your children will have less competition in the future.
3.29.2007 9:39am
K Parker (mail):
Mikeyes,

Where did anyone say these teachers should be arrested, or otherwise harassed by the state?

No, wealthy Seattle parents are free to send their kids to this wacky place, and we in turn are free to express how pointless, or even harmful, it is.
3.29.2007 10:21am
Chris B. Hayes (mail):
Right or wrong, you can be dang sure that Lego Town will be a mess if none of the kids are allowed to take the lead. If it's kept at a committee level, it's going to be structurally unstable, unimaginative, and fairly unattractive compared to the first version, and universally depressing for those involved.

Wonder how many of the teachers or parents would walk out on the street and hand the first stranger they meet the keys to their car. Private property is wrong, right?

Here's another scenario - assign each kid a number of blocks, and then assign leaders, with a benign criteria for choosing leaders (i.e. - alphabetical by last name, starting at N). Then allow the kids to decide if they want to be part of groups led by those leaders, where they'll have access to the groups blocks, or allow them to go work on their own.
3.29.2007 11:59am
Lyssie (mail) (www):

But there is a difference between teaching eight-year old kids good manners and teamwork on one hand versus what amounts to an ideological reeducation camp on the other.


Succinctly put. But, there are some people who can't even pass wind without viewing it through an ideological prism, unfortunately.
3.29.2007 12:38pm
Greg S. (mail):
What I don't understand is what gave the teachers the right to take the Legos in the first place. It is because they own the Legos? Or is it because school put them in charge? I was hoping that then the teachers told the kids to draw a picture of power one of them would have drawn the teachers taking away the Legos.
3.29.2007 2:47pm
hugh:
No! I'm Spartacus!
3.29.2007 2:50pm
WHOI Jacket:
I'm Spartacus.
3.29.2007 3:21pm
Mikeyes (mail):
K Parker,

I was not saying the I opposed the discussion based on state interference, I just being practical. My children went to a similar school for a short period of time before we discovered that it really was not the "best school in town" as we were told. The school was expensive and the parents well off but the children well on their way to being privileged dolts who were not capable of critical thinking or self starting as it turned out. Later on when these K-4 children were graduating from high school, few managed to find the way to Ivy league or other elite schools because they were not scholars, athletes, or have other distinguishing characteristics (including being raging Marxists) because their early education was so inadequate.

I was surprised that such successful parents (Lawyers, MDs, etc.) would not push the world of ideas and critical thinking - which to my mind got them where they were - and instead picked the school with the most social prestige, at least in the K-4 range.

My children grew up to be independent thinkers (of various political bents) who were capable of taking care of themselves. They still learned to share in spite of not having this model.

So in the competitive world children of the rich will have advantages unless their parents remove those advantages by sending them to such schools. As far as I can tell, the rule of politic states that you have to have a level playing field is artificial at best but you don't have to encourage it by such actions. I didn't see this as a state imposed sanction, but as self imposed.

I was just wondering about all the vitriol in a case where your children benefit. Why bother? Your children will profit by their actions. It was strictly a selfish comment ;']
3.29.2007 3:54pm
NickM (mail) (www):
Mikeyes - just think of this blog as a method of reducing the transaction costs for parents looking for a good private school to eliminate this one from consideration.

The school's version of democracy sounds a lot like Iran's - the students can freely choose from the options the teachers will allow them to have.

Oh, and Todd, I think these guys were in charge of building the New Orleans levees in the first place.

Nick
3.29.2007 5:00pm
zizazze:

If wealthy Seattle parents want to send their children to this whacky waste of time and education, let them. It means that your children will have less competition in the future.


I am puzzled by your competition argument. The poor education of others costs us in many ways. Less productivity, less innovation, and a less effective democracy.
3.29.2007 5:15pm
Elliot123 (mail):
I'd say the kids learned a very valuable lesson. Sometimes you have to BS the idiots in charge in order to get what you need. "Yeah, we all agree. Now give us the damn Legos."
3.29.2007 6:50pm
happylee:
This sentence says it all: "We saw the decimation of Lego-town as an opportunity to launch a critical evaluation of Legotown and the inequities of private ownership and hierarchical authority on which it was founded."

This little preschool drone would make a wonderful CLS law professor, or perhaps a social "activist" with, say, ACORN. Unbelievable.

Compare the actions of Seattle's pinkoelite to this very charming story of teaching kids something useful.
3.29.2007 7:48pm
American Psikhushka (mail) (www):
Mikeyes-

I was just wondering about all the vitriol in a case where your children benefit. Why bother? Your children will profit by their actions. It was strictly a selfish comment ;']

As zizazze mentioned the price of poor education can be far-reaching. If these kids are indoctrinated into collectivism/communism/etc. they might eventually start initiative that cripple the economy, infringe on individual rights, etc. In a worst case scenario they might try communism "one more time" with the accompanying revolution, massacres, oppression, starvation, etc.
3.29.2007 9:42pm
Waldensian (mail):

As zizazze mentioned the price of poor education can be far-reaching. If these kids are indoctrinated into collectivism/communism/etc. they might eventually start initiative that cripple the economy, infringe on individual rights, etc. In a worst case scenario they might try communism "one more time" with the accompanying revolution, massacres, oppression, starvation, etc.

You're right. We've got to bust those kids out of there. This isn't over yet. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Who's with me?!?
3.29.2007 10:08pm
axiomata:
A little off topic, but I think an interesting study for the next Freakanomics book would be to map the correlation between number of lego pieces owned as a child and success as an adult.
3.30.2007 3:30am
Sarah (mail) (www):
I like playing with LEGOs. Especially when I've earned the cash to go buy a really awesome set that my little sisters don't have, and I can build something ridiculously cool, and in response thy go off and use their (incredibly, even more expensive than LEGOs) copy of Photoshop to do art that I can't even begin to duplicate.

I seriously doubt that any daycare or K-5 experience could alter that, though. The dominant lesson of collective education (that is, the one you get every day you show up) is to show that groups, especially leaderless ones, do an incredibly bad job of either getting anything done OR keeping anyone happy. It wasn't till I started being home schooled, and escaped bizarre constraints on social behavior and the massive horde that is any school classroom, that I started cooperating and forming groups with my siblings. Up till that time, siblings were just smaller, more annoying versions of the same people who made my life unpleasant for 8 hours a day, ~180 days a year.

Also, the teachers remind me a lot of every other idealogical effort with children under about 8 years of age: if you train them up and give them the right prompts, they will tell you what they're sure you want to hear. However, ten minutes after you've finally stopped badgering them, the chances are any lesson more complicated than "don't hit your sister" (and maybe even that one too) will be forgotten.

I'm sure the collectivity-is-good, you-can't-restrict-others-from-your-space, and everything-will-be-the-same-size rules made the teachers feel better about being in charge. I doubt they had much impact on how these kids live their lives outside of this daycare facility (except possibly to make them hate group work, ban their younger siblings from any resources they can manage to pull it off for at home, and build oddly-sized structures at home.)

Anyway, it's usually better to get your taste of insane political and social structures while you're young and the opportunity costs are incredibly low. And it's not a public school. So go forth, politically inspired daycare facilities! It's probably a net good for society, especially if the kids go to very different schools during the day.
3.30.2007 5:44am
ronbo:
My oldest went to a Bank Street-type school in NYC from pre-K through third grade. It was a very nice place, if a little heavy on the Kumbaya.

And while the headmistress was a pint-sized Stalinist, the teachers mostly kept politics out of the classroom. My son had just started first grade on 9/11 and to my surprise the kids were free to express their anger at the bad guys (their fear, too - the school was downtown). But it's easy to see how it could have gone the other way.

By the way, at his school it was blocks, not legos, and they were an integral part of the curriculum. It was actually kind of cool.
3.30.2007 9:33am
Chris B. Hayes (mail):
Waldensian - I think the general principle American Psikhushka is working from is that ideas have consequences. You've almost got me convinced with the WWII bit - that's a great line. Sounds like something Bush would say.
3.30.2007 10:51am
Chris B. Hayes (mail):
Sarah -

Nice to see some sane thinking. Thanks.
3.30.2007 10:57am
C. Gray (mail):
These so-called teachers are beyond appalling. By their own admission they allowed a group of older children to hog the legos for weeks before taking any action at all. They only intervened when "legotown" was destroyed. Then they turned a simple lesson about the need to share public property (and the legos WERE public property within this context) with others into a drawn out effort "to launch a critical evaluation of Legotown and the inequities of private ownership and hierarchical authority on which it was founded."

What a bunch of morons. They were the "hierarchical authority" that protected and encouraged "Legotown" to begin with. Then they were the "hierarchical authority" banishing the legos. Now they are the "hierarchical authority" that imposed arbitrary new rules about lego use while offering up psychobabble instead of a coherent and understandable rationale. And these so-called educators are BRAGGING about this series of events.

I'd say the children HAVE learned a lot about power structures. And its a valuable lesson, too. But its not the same lesson the authors claim.
3.30.2007 3:17pm
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
But according to the article, the Legos (which belong to the school) had been taken over by a small group of kids who had claimed ownership over it. Who were they to decide who got to play with the legos?

The teachers? Somebody who knows how to give orders without agonizing over a bunch of %&# Legos? "Let them play with the Legos, brats, or I'll launch a serious, empirical, inquiry into the inequities involved in your punishment. To be specific, just how many inequities can be involved in your unfortunate fate."
3.30.2007 10:06pm
colagirl (mail):
Reading this article somehow made me flash on that South Park episode "The Death Camp of Tolerance."
3.31.2007 11:37pm