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Quote from Chief Justice Roberts,
as reported in Washingtonian Magazine, December 2006, page 12:
"I like my wine French, my beer German, my vodka Russian, and my judicial system American."
bigchris1313 (mail):
I prefer my beer American, but there's nothing wrong with German beer. I mean, it's good, but it just isn't as good as great American craft beer.
11.30.2006 11:58pm
German Beer?:
I wonder what German beer he is drinking? I hope he isn't referring to Heineken...most Americans don't really get that excited about actual German beers.
12.1.2006 12:05am
JB:
At least it's not beer American, wine German, vodka French, and judicial system Russian.
12.1.2006 12:05am
M-Kel (mail):
Isn't Heineken from Holland?
12.1.2006 12:14am
Proud to be a liberal :
I toured the Heineken factory in the Netherlands; the beer is definitely Dutch, not German. And the Dutch would be distressed to find out that some thought their beer was German.
12.1.2006 12:18am
Justin (mail):
I like my cliches short.
12.1.2006 12:22am
M-Kel (mail):
Well I'm quite releaved to see that regular consumption of several fine German Hefe-weizens hasn't skewed my memory of beers' countries of origin.

Proud to be -- I'm heading to Amsterdam in three weeks. Is the factory worth touring, or is it a tourist trap like the Guinness brewery?
12.1.2006 12:34am
Respondent (mail):
Does the Chief mean post Warren-Court reforms? Or would he prefer no incorporation of the Bill of rights to state governments (as Justice Scalia recently implied in a Q&A session as his opinion on the original meaning of the 14th amendment). Or perhaps he would prefer incorporation, but keep the "silver platter" rule, like his model Justice, Justice Harlan. Roberts' votes so far certainly don't show much of a preference for the American created exclusionary rule. (In my opinion, Roberts should stick with Harlan's rejection of the judicially invented "one-person one-vote" (for a legislature's upper house) instead of choosing to accept it (like he said he would in his confirmation hearings), and at the same time require meaningful remedies for the 4th amendment (present at the time of the constitution's founding, absent now without an exclusionary rule, unless you believe in a professional police force:).)
12.1.2006 12:39am
Respondent (mail):
Better... "professional" police force:)
12.1.2006 12:44am
Dave Hardy (mail) (www):
Reminds me of the remark one Holy Roman Emperor made .. as was appropriate to one in that position, he was fluent in a number of languges. Asked how he used them, he responded "I use Italian when I speak to the ladies, Spanish when I speak to the military, Latin when I speak to the clergy, and German ... when I cuss out my horse."
12.1.2006 12:48am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):

I like my cliches short.

I like my snarks relevant.
12.1.2006 1:05am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Oh, and perhaps the Chief Justice enjoys Hefeweizen. Nothing wrong with that.
12.1.2006 1:06am
Respondent (mail):
Seems the "American system" is OK when precedent favors the govt., but not the other way around. Proof? Roberts strongly implied in the VT campaign finance case that campaign finance reform is here to stay, but the Husdson majority opinion's logic sounds like the Court has found a way to do away with the exclusionary rule entirely (attorneys fees (for those who can find an attorney willing to take the case), and professional (overzealous?) police forces (afraids of the remote possibility of (e.g. Kozinski endorsed) damage awards), and better training (Atlanta style?) make the exlusionary rule unnecessary in knock and announce cases, and, logically following , in any 4th amendment case (despite the Kennedy concurrence and Hudson's other rationale which the court can always dismiss away as dicta).
12.1.2006 1:21am
Roger Thornhill:
The Chief Justice's quote is good but I still prefer Homer's:

"I like my beer cold, my TV loud and my homosexuals flaming."

Does anyone think C.J. Roberts made this quote less to make a comment on his preference for the American legal system and more to subtly indicate that he is a heavy drinker? It would be nice to have a government official who can drink heavily but still be highly effective. Winston Churchill is one of the few I can think of. Although I'd imagine McCain is a heavy drinker, especially with that weathered face and carrying all that baggage from Nam.
12.1.2006 1:24am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):

It would be nice to have a government official who can drink heavily but still be highly effective.

President Grant was a drinker. And for some reason, I'm inclined to say that so was Justice William Douglas.
12.1.2006 1:34am
Glenn W. Bowen (mail):

I like my snarks relevant.


I like my darks Elephant.
12.1.2006 1:37am
Roger Thornhill:
President Grant was a drinker. And for some reason, I'm inclined to say that so was Justice William Douglas.

Yeah I remember hearing that Prez Grant was an alcoholic back in high school. Supposedly he needed the booze to help him deal with ordering so many men to their deaths. But who knows if that's really true - maybe he just liked to drink. Unfortunately, Grant wasn't that great of a president.

I also never heard that about J. Douglas. I'll have to look into that. Although I vaguely remember reading somewhere that C.J. Rehnquist used to really like beer.

Anyone wonder if the current Supreme Court has ever been drunk together?
12.1.2006 1:52am
Thief (mail) (www):
In heaven, the wine is French, the beer is German, the vodka is Russian, and the judicial system is American.

In hell, the wine is American, the beer is French, the vodka is German, and the judicial system is Russian.
12.1.2006 2:01am
amnyc (mail) (www):
I prefer Italian over French wines and Finnish rather than Russian vodka. I'll still stick with the American judicial system, though.
12.1.2006 2:07am
MikeC&F (mail):
I think John Roberts is the only man I've ever been jealous of. He really does have it all, doesn't he?
12.1.2006 2:08am
M-Kel (mail):
Actually current Grant historiography contends that the extent of Grant's supposed drunkeness has been vastly overstated(the drunk image usually attributed to Sherman's comment that he stood by Grant when Grant was drunk, and Grant stood by Sherman when Sherman was crazy), and that he only drank heavily when separated from his wife, Julia. If anyone actually cares (highly unlikely), drop me a line and I'll get you some citations.
12.1.2006 2:23am
CraigSMcLean (mail):
MikeC&F,

He doesn't have a blog! (although the barriers to entry in that market are pretty low)

But then again, you can't really blog as Chief Justice can you? At least not on the law-- perhaps on wines and beers though.

Haha
12.1.2006 2:49am
Nate F (mail):
amnyc,
I'm with you on the wine. I'd go with a nice polish vodka though. Preferably the kind with bison grass.
12.1.2006 3:05am
Chumund:
I'll go with Italian wine, Belgian beer, and American whiskey. As in fact I regularly do.
12.1.2006 3:15am
Malvolio:
In hell, the wine is American, the beer is French, the vodka is German, and the judicial system is Russian.
That's not really fair. The US produces some excellent wines.

"I wish some of you would tell me the brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals."
-- Abraham Lincoln, responding to charges that General Grant was a drunkard (probably apocryphal)
12.1.2006 3:17am
A. Zarkov (mail):
Napa Valley wines won the Paris Wine competition in 1976. A Chardonnay from Chateau Montelena won first place, with third and fourth places also going to California Chardonnays. In the reds California also beat out the French with a Cabernet Sauvignon from California's Stag's Leap Wine Cellars taking first place.

The jury of nine tasters included eight of France’s top wine tasting experts. The French were poor losers. One taster tried to get her ballot back. Some tasters refused to give up their notes and one tried to change his numbers before the organizer whipped his scorecard away. The French tried to ignore the whole thing claiming it was a fluke. They also said the French wines needed more time to mature than the California wines.

Exactly thirty years to the day the competition was repeated in London and Napa. Again a California red, Ridge California Cabernet Sauvignon 1971, took top place in both London and Napa. The top five scoring wines were from California. As the entries were from the 1970s, the French can’t claim their wines didn’t have enough time to mature.

So how you like them apples, or should I say grapes?
12.1.2006 6:27am
ReVonna LaSchatze:
I read it as a slam on the current American judicial system.

Want to leave your head spinning w/o consuming alcohol? Check out some of our recent decisions in the U.S. of A.

Start with Bush v. Gore? Maybe a little Kelo? Head will spinning in no time, and maybe even a morning-after hangover...
12.1.2006 7:16am
Pete Freans (mail):
Via a recommendation from a magazine (I can't recall which at the moment), I tried a Belgium beer called Saison Dupont from the Brasserie Dupont brewery. I highly recommend it...one of the best beers in the world, in my opinion.

And if anyone knows where I can get my hands on Saint Sixus beer, please reply!
12.1.2006 8:10am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):

Start with Bush v. Gore? Maybe a little Kelo? Head will spinning in no time, and maybe even a morning-after hangover...

Then again, here are the Russians. Oh, and "Russkiy Standart" vodka is fantastic. Too bad they don't sell it in the states.
12.1.2006 8:40am
Connie (mail):
I like Frasier's line from Cheers, about some yuppies who thought Norm was too crude to be their designer:

They like their chefs to be French, their sports cars Italian, and their designers . . . "stylish."
12.1.2006 9:09am
Jose Reyes:
The quote is taken out of context. This is what the Chief Justice said:

Here's a story I think President Reagan would have appreciated. The Russian judge was at a meeting in Western Europe and they asked him "Which judicial model are you using for judicial administration?" He said, "the American model." This didn't go over too well in Western Europe. In fact, one of the participants said, according to this Russian judge, "Well, if all you want is a can of Coke you didn't have to come to Europe to get it." The Russian judge said, "I don't much like Coke," he said, "I like my wine French, I like my beer German, I like my vodka Russian, and I like my judicial institutions American."

See The Reagan Lecture Delivered by the Honorable John G. Roberts, Jr., transcript available at http://www.reaganfoundation.org/pdfs/RemarksRoberts.pdf
12.1.2006 9:23am
jgalak:
I've always like the one that goes:

In heaven, the Italians are the lovers, the French are the cooks, the Germans are the auto mechanics and the British run the government.

In hell, the Germans are the lovers, the British are the cooks, the French are the auto mechanics and the Italians run the government.
12.1.2006 9:31am
Spartacus (www):
C.J. Rehnquist drank "Miller's Light" as he called it. (See, e.g., http://law.nd.edu/news/garnett_reflection.html)
12.1.2006 9:37am
Houston Lawyer:
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
12.1.2006 9:46am
SMK (mail):
Does this mean SC oral arguments will soon be open bar?
12.1.2006 9:51am
abb3w:
The Heaven and Hell joke has been floating around the Internet since at least the last Bush presidency...
12.1.2006 10:08am
Anderson (mail) (www):
I like my mistresses French, my bodyguards German, my housekeepers Russian, and my exasperating-yet-compelling quasi-conservative law blog Ukrainian-American.
12.1.2006 10:10am
Jay D (mail):
Actually, in heaven there is no beer. That's why we drink it here.
12.1.2006 10:36am
Jesse (mail) (www):

Dave Hardy:

Reminds me of the remark one Holy Roman Emperor made .. as was appropriate to one in that position, he was fluent in a number of languages. Asked how he used them, he responded "I use Italian when I speak to the ladies, Spanish when I speak to the military, Latin when I speak to the clergy, and German ... when I cuss out my horse."


That was Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Spain, but the actual quote was "I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse." Which is why I studied Italian.
12.1.2006 10:44am
BobH (mail):
Check out the excellent Austrian (!) vodka, Metropol -- made from potatoes, about half the price of "premium" vodkas, available at Trader Joe's (well, at the ones I shop at in southern California, anyway).
12.1.2006 11:02am
David Chesler (mail) (www):
and my exasperating-yet-compelling quasi-conservative law blog Ukrainian-American.

That's The-Ukrainian-American if you please.

(Trying to remember how it goes: Make love in French, do business in English, curse in Hungarian...)
12.1.2006 11:11am
french wine drinker (mail):
One of the best comment strings ever on this blog!
12.1.2006 11:12am
Shake-N-Bake (www):
Pete -- they don't sell the beers of the St Sixtus (Westvleteren) outside of the monastery brewery anymore, and you have to pledge not to sell it and you can only buy very limited amounts. Try the St Bernardus beers -- until the 1990's they brewed the St Sixtus beers for distribution for the monastery, until the monastery built a bigger brewery and ended the arrangement. They're as close as you'll get to the St Sixtus beers without actually going there or making a huge effort to locate a bottle, and the St Bernardus stuff isn't hard to find if you have a good beer store around.

Of all the beers I tend to like Belgian beers and American craft brews. Mostly American and Australian wines (but NZ for SauvBlanc and Germany/Austria for riesling), and for vodka it varies. The Polish bison grass stuff is indeed awesome (I think you almost either have to be Polish or have a Polish friend to have ever had it)
12.1.2006 11:14am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Here is a better "Russian Standard" link; complete unverifiable with sales fluff.
12.1.2006 11:17am
Daniel Chapman (mail):
Jay D... as a Wisconsinite and Polka lover, I award you the Comment of the Week award.
12.1.2006 11:23am
Glenn W. Bowen (mail):

In heaven, the Italians are the lovers, the French are the cooks, the Germans are the auto mechanics and the British run the government.

In hell, the Germans are the lovers, the British are the cooks, the French are the auto mechanics and the Italians run the government.


-and all the waiters are Swiss.
12.1.2006 11:25am
Captain Holly (mail):
In heaven, the Italians are the lovers, the French are the cooks, the Germans are the auto mechanics and the British run the government.

In hell, the Germans are the lovers, the British are the cooks, the French are the auto mechanics and the Italians run the government.

I heard a slightly different version:

In Heaven, all the mechanics are German, all the cooks are French, all the police are British, all the lovers are Italian, and the Swiss run everything.

In Hell, all the mechanics are French, all the cooks are British, all the police are German, all the lovers are Swiss, and the Italians run everything.
12.1.2006 11:41am
bob montgomery:
If only he had said...
I like my wine French, my beer German, my vodka Russian, my tequila Mexican, and my judicial system American.

Now that would have been brilliant!
12.1.2006 11:43am
Pete Freans (mail):
Shake-N-Bake:

I have heard about that policy. Unfortunately, I have no plans at the moment to visit the monastery and fill my rental car's trunk with the brew. I look forward to drinking St. Bernardus, thanks.

I've been recently trying Chilean &New Zelandian white wines. I am normally biased toward Italian reds and California whites, but they are now getting some stiff competition from countries not normally associated with enology.
12.1.2006 11:47am
Hattio (mail):
No comment on the wine or vodka. But I will say that Hefeweizen shouldn't even count as beer. Wheat doesn't make good beer.
12.1.2006 11:49am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):
Bob Montgomery - you are thinking of Justice Scalia.
12.1.2006 11:49am
kwo (mail):
Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the Chief Justice would compare the judicial system to chemical depressants?
12.1.2006 11:53am
Mike BUSL07 (mail) (www):

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the Chief Justice would compare the judicial system to chemical depressants?

Seems that way. :)
12.1.2006 11:57am
JRL:

Jay D... as a Wisconsinite and Polka lover, I award you the Comment of the Week award.


I second that. Except for the Wisconsinite part, and perhaps the Polka lover part.
12.1.2006 2:02pm
David Maquera (mail) (www):
Alas, so much to drink in this lifetime and so little time.
12.1.2006 6:36pm
Vovan:
LOL

I for one, do not wish Russian vodka on the poor Chief Justice
12.1.2006 7:58pm
Alan K. Henderson (mail) (www):
I hope the vodka doesn't have too much polonium-210.
12.1.2006 8:58pm
Abandon:
After all, only in France, Germany and Russia can people of darker races can be ruled "separate but equal" by the court and can you be granted a ridiculous few millions for finding a coffee cup a bit too warm on your pants...

This bein said, I would drink California's wines any day (actually, I do quite often), although nothing beats a good Cabardès when on duty seducing a date at a restaurant.
12.3.2006 1:49am
luagha:
I like my men like I like my salsa - thick, chunky, and hot.
12.3.2006 6:31pm