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Who is the Real Anti-Muslim Here?

New Zealand politician Don Brash has been accused of making "racist" and "anti-Muslim" remarks (hat tip - Tim Blair):

A prominent New Zealand politician was accused of racism on Saturday after a speech in which he said immigrants who did not accept the country's "bedrock values" should not be allowed to stay.

Don Brash, leader of the conservative opposition National Party, defined the values as "an acceptance of democracy and the rule of law, religious and personal freedom and legal equality of the sexes"....

Javed Khan, president of the [New Zealand] Federation of Islamic Associations, told Radio New Zealand the speech made it clear that Brash wanted immigrants to fit his view of a mainstream New Zealander, and therefore excluded people like Muslims.

Pancha Narayanan, president of the Federation of Ethnic Councils, said a comment by Brash that immigrants should have a good command of English, or quickly learn the language, was a sign that he would prefer them to come from English-speaking countries.

He said the speech had an element of racism and an anti-Muslim tone.

Brash's critics' remarks are far more anti-Muslim than anything he said. The critics imply that Muslims inherently reject "democracy and the rule of law, religious and personal freedom and legal equality of the sexes." That is a far more severe indictment of Islam than anything in Brash's speech. Sadly, versions of Islam that do indeed reject these values are all too common in many parts of the world. Hinting at this fact, as Brash did, is not "anti-Muslim" unless one accepts the premise that such views are embedded in the very nature of that religion. Instead of attacking Brash, the leaders of New Zealand's Muslim community would do better to devote their efforts to promoting versions of Islam that embrace the values he listed. By claiming that his statement is anti-Muslim, they merely strengthen the perception that Islam and liberal democratic values are mutually exclusive.

It's also worth noting that Muslims are not a "race," anymore than Christians are. Both religions include adherents of many different races. Even if Brash's remarks really were anti-Muslim, that would not also make them "racist."

Finally, I can personally testify (as can millions of other immigrants in the US and, I presume, in New Zealand) that immigrants from non-English speaking countries can indeed "quickly learn the language." Learning the local language is an important prerequisite for immigrants' economic and social success in any society.

None of these points are particularly profound or original. However, they need to be made because claims that liberal democratic values are "anti-Muslim" and that criticism of radical Islamist ideologies is somehow "racist" are all too common. Those who make such arguments do a disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Harry Eagar (mail):
I would not characterize Khan's statement as antiMuslim. It means that Muslims are agreed that their religion is opposed to western values like individual freedom and democracy. That's merely stating a fact.

I think you are trying to say that Khan's statements tend to lead judicious people to conclude that they ought to become antiMuslim if they are not already.
7.30.2006 12:15am
Lev:
Bedrock NZ values:


"an acceptance of democracy and the rule of law, religious and personal freedom and legal equality of the sexes"....


Bedrock Moslem values:


a mainstream New Zealander, and therefore excluded people like Muslims


It doesn't require suggest that people become antiMoslem, but does suggest that Moslems should probably, by their own reckoning, not be allowed to emigrate to NZ.

The Moslem whine is that because "an acceptance of democracy and the rule of law, religious and personal freedom and legal equality of the sexes" are bedrock NZ values, NZ's are not permitted by their own values to prohibit Moslems from emigrating to NZ.
7.30.2006 12:42am
Erasmussimo:
Some of the confusion here arises from treating Muslims as a single bloc. There are half a billion Muslims out there and guess what -- no two are alike. Yes, there are bloodthirsty killers among them. We've got bloodthirsty killer Christians, too. I suspect that there are more bloodthirsty killer Muslims than bloodthirsty killer Christians, but our house is still glassy enough that we shouldn't be throwing stones.

While I sympathize with the notion that a society is prudent to insure that all its members respect the basic political principles on which that society is founded, I suggest that this notion can never be applied in practice. How do we define those principles? Do we require each person to swear to accept those principles? If we did so, a great many American citizens would be deported, because there are millions of Americans who just don't get simple ideas such as the First Amendment. There is simply no even-handed scheme for putting this notion into practice.
7.30.2006 1:23am
John Armstrong (mail):
Erasmussimo: You've got an excellent point there, which applies to any group. If anything I'd go farther and not pull the punches saying that the constituencies are different at all.
7.30.2006 1:32am
Enoch:
While I sympathize with the notion that a society is prudent to insure that all its members respect the basic political principles on which that society is founded, I suggest that this notion can never be applied in practice. How do we define those principles? Do we require each person to swear to accept those principles?

US immigrants are required to swear that they accept those principles, at least inasmuch as the Constitution embodies those principles. Not sure if anyone has ever been penalized in any way for violating this oath, however.
7.30.2006 2:17am
Enoch:
(They swear that oath on becoming naturalized, of course.)
7.30.2006 2:18am
Justin (mail):
I doubt that this is all to the story, and I doubt that Somin's view is ultimately accurate, though I don't think Somin is trying to be deceptive. More likely personality and history is filling in the gaps in the interpretation of the remarks, which in light of such were taken accurately.

For instance, and I know I'm going to make people angry about this, but it's the best analogy I can think of - Reagan's speech in 1980 declaring his bid for the Presidency couldn't be seen, just by its text, as a completely racist piece of work. However, given the history of the racist movements in the United States, and the particular place for which to call for state's rights (Independence, Mississippi, home of the "Mississippi Burning" tragedy), there was no really no other way to interpret Reagan's speech other than being overtly racist. He went on to dominate the south in the GOP primary and then become President.

Likewise, if my suspicions are correct, this Don Brash guy didn't say his first thing about the New Zealand culture wars in that speech, and I think from context Khan's suspicions are pretty sound.

A simple google of ""don brash" muslim" confirms this point.

According to wikipedia, Brash has advocated "racial seperation" - though note the source - probably shows that this isn't Brash's first time of being accused of racism or bigotry, and perhaps if someone else had made the same exact remarks it would have been treated differenty.
7.30.2006 2:44am
Ilya Somin:
Likewise, if my suspicions are correct, this Don Brash guy didn't say his first thing about the New Zealand culture wars in that speech, and I think from context Khan's suspicions are pretty sound.

A simple google of ""don brash" muslim" confirms this point.

According to wikipedia, Brash has advocated "racial seperation" - though note the source - probably shows that this isn't Brash's first time of being accused of racism or bigotry, and perhaps if someone else had made the same exact remarks it would have been treated differenty.


It will take more than a reference to a Wikipedia article (whose author apparently can't even spell) to show that Brash advocates "racial seperation." It is highly unlikely that an advocate of such could become the leader of one of the two largest political parties in New Zealand, one of the most tolerant societies in the Western world.

As for Reagan's 1980 Philadelphia Mississippi speech, it was certainly ill-advised, but does not prove that he was a racist.
7.30.2006 2:52am
Ilya Somin:
I have no checked the Wikipedia entry on Brash, available here, and it says nothing about him advocating "racial separation." To the contrary, it quotes a speech by him criticizing what he claimed was "racial separatism" on the part of activists in NZ's Maori minority. Here is the quote:


The topic I will focus on today is the dangerous drift towards racial separatism in New Zealand, and the development of the now entrenched Treaty grievance industry. We are one country with many peoples, not simply a society of Pakeha and Māori where the minority has a birthright to the upper hand, as the Labour Government seems to believe".[...]


This speech was clearly part of NZ's debate over affirmative action for NZ's Maoris, which has parallels to our own AA debate. Brash is clearly on the anti-AA side, but that does not make him a racist and it certainly doesn't make him an advocate of "racial separation."
7.30.2006 3:10am
Ship Erect (mail) (www):
What about the "diversity is like red wine" bit? That seemed the most inflammatory part, as if there's some special mix of cultures/races that gets a country tipsy without throwing up. Huh?

Funny that it expressed an "inartful" thought rather artfully.
7.30.2006 3:54am
BGates (mail) (www):
Likewise, if my suspicions are correct, this Don Brash guy didn't say his first thing about the New Zealand culture wars in that speech, and I think from context Khan's suspicions are pretty sound.

Justin, that's brilliant! Khan's suspicions are justified in the context - of your suspicions! Since the facts of the piece contradict how you want to perceive the world, the facts must be wrong - and to prove it, you have a wikipedia article that also contradicts your preferred view. I wish I could mock leftist thinking as effectively as you.
7.30.2006 3:55am
Justin (mail):
I apologize for misreading the Wikipedia entry, though I hope that doesn't defeat my broader point - which is, that unless we're well in tune with New Zealand politics (and I admit that I am not), it's going to be difficult to be able to credibly interpret either Brash's comments or Khan's reaction - this, indeed, is the specific flaw that many jurisprudential theorists attribute to textualism, fwiw.

The google search confirms at least one of my points - this is hardly the first time, fair or not, that Brash and his National Party has been accused of racism and anti-muslim activism. To act like Khan drew that inference out of clean air seems unlikely to me, even if BGates kindly disagrees - of course, if he believes "leftist thinking" is a mockery, then maybe we have nothing to discuss in the first instance.
7.30.2006 4:05am
A. Zarkov (mail):
Justin:

When you are in a hole, stop digging.
7.30.2006 4:37am
o' connuh j.:
LOL Zarkov. Justin pwned.
7.30.2006 4:47am
Kevin L. Connors (mail) (www):
For a parallel in our own society, one only has to look at Markos "Daily Kos" Moulitsas, who would presume that his values are those of the greater Democratic Party, but in fact, is far out there on the fringe.

The greatest difference I see, is that Kos isn't calling for the assassination of his most vocal Democratic opponents.
7.30.2006 5:21am
Ship Erect (mail) (www):
Kevin, from which planet did you sent that post? Neither Khan nor Brash has called for the assassination of anyone, as far as I can tell, and Kos himself has noted that his philosophy is very different from mainstream Democrats ("libertarian Democrat" is his label). To paraphrase, "I wish I could mock rightist thinking as effectively as you."
7.30.2006 5:41am
extex (mail):
I am wondering why the question of 'race' was even brought into this discussion. Yes Muslims are not a race, but often, as with what happened to many east Indian hindu's and Sheiks, the race of a person is used as a quantifier for the masses to identify them as muslim. Being of muslim faith automatically makes a person and his family into a 'visible minority' as the canadian government classifies.

Furthermore, animus towards muslims because they are muslims is no better than animus towards jews because they are jews, and Anti-Semetism (in the US) is almost completly recognized on the same lines as racism.

Extex
7.30.2006 5:57am
extex (mail):
^ Add to last post

"as with what happened to many east Indian hindu's and Sheiks" --after 9/11 in the US
7.30.2006 5:57am
CLS (www):
Don Brash is no racist nor anti-immigrant. His wife is not white and is an immigrant. Brash is a classical liberal type of person, not allied with Religious Right or the Racist Right either. He is a decent man. Labour sympathizers in NZ have been doing their best to smear him ever since he took leadership of the Opposition because he doubled his parties support and came within half a percent of being Prime Minister.
7.30.2006 10:18am
Donald Kahn (mail):
Why "racist" when there is no matter of race involved? Simple enough: these Muslims know how to play into the typical white guilt reaction, which quickly leads to spinelessness. A society with real guts, and I am sorry to say, survival value, would treat these complaints with contempt.
7.30.2006 11:25am
PleaseGetReal (mail):
Brash realises that there are moderate Muslims. He seems to also realize there is no moderate Islam.
7.30.2006 11:26am
Harry Eagar (mail):
Nicely put, Please
7.30.2006 2:24pm
Daryl Herbert (www):
"Racism" is typical understood to be unfair contempt for any ethnicity, which can be any race, religion, or subgroups of races and religions.

Just as "anti-Semitism" is understood to mean hatred for Jews, not hatred for "Semites" (which includes Arabs)

I believe Eugene has said on this blog many times that the meaning we understand words to have is the meaning that they have (and I was persuaded by his arguments). If you think we should re-define "racism," by all means say so.
7.30.2006 7:43pm
Tom952 (mail):
Would it be OK to exclude people like NAZI's?
7.30.2006 11:21pm
Ilya Somin:
"Racism" is typical understood to be unfair contempt for any ethnicity, which can be any race, religion, or subgroups of races and religions.

Really? I am not aware of "racism" being a standard term to describe hostility to a religious group. No one ever describes anti-Catholic, anti-Protestant, anti-atheist, or anti-Hindu prejudice as "racism." The only context in which the term is ever used to with respect to a religious group that is not also an ethnic group (as Jews arguably are) is in cases such as this one where activists use it to insinuate that hostility to certain extreme forms of Islam is the same thing as racial prejudice. There is absolutely no reason to accept such an equation.
7.31.2006 12:58am