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UCLA Graduates #1 in California Bar Passage Rankings:

Paul Caron (TaxProf) reports:

July 2005 California Bar Exam Law School Results (First Time Takers) v. US News & SSRN

CA Bar Rank

School

US News Overall CA Rank

US News Peer CA Rank

SSRN CA Rank

1 (88.7%)

UCLA

3

3

2

2 (88.0%)

Stanford

1

1

1

3 (87.0%)

Boalt

2

2

4

4 (84.3%)

Hastings

6

6

9

5 (81.7%)

USC

4

4

3

6 (80.0%)

USD

8

7

5

For the rest of the table, see Paul's post. And to the quibblers who say the 88.7% is 88.0% difference isn't significant, I say: Is too! Is, is, is!

anonymous coward:
Yeah, but did Stanford's percentage include former deans?
12.23.2005 4:13pm
Frank Drackmann (mail):
Does the California Bar score exams any differently based on the exam takers race?
12.23.2005 4:14pm
Bulldog:
No offense to Eugene, but this table only includes schools within California. Three out-of-state law schools had pass rates equal to or higher than UCLA: BYU (94%), Arizona (89%), and Yale (95%). There's a link to the full table via Paul Caron's post.

Hope this helps put to rest the idea that Yale Law School doesn't teach its graduates any actual law.
12.23.2005 4:50pm
WB:
Eh... 12% of Stanfordites underestimated the amount of preparation they needed, while only 11.3% of UCLAers, 5% of Yalies and 6% of BYUers did the same thing.

It's hardly surprising that, among those who took the California bar, Stanford students were more slightly more likely to overestimate themselves than UCLA students. The real surprise is that more Yalies didn't overestimate themselves.
12.23.2005 5:02pm
Craig Oren (mail):
These numbers are all a lot higher than the numbers we heard in the mid-1970s when I was a Boalt student.
12.23.2005 5:09pm
Joel B. (mail):
I don't know how well Hastings usually does, but I'm glad to see that my class did well. Beating the trojans, and running away from Davis. Now can we put to rest the US News and WR ranking that puts Davis ahead of Hastings. In the words of George Oscar Bluth (GOB) "Come On!"

The BYU and Arizona rates are interesting, but I can't help but wonder if there's some kind of selection going on, in the sense that the better BYU grads (and Arizona) are going to be the ones taking the California Bar (by virtue of having a job lined up out here most likely). As a result, they're getting to skim a little in pass rankings. Still good for them.

And to the quibblers who say the 88.7% is 88.0% difference isn't significant, I say: Is too! Is, is, is!

Haha, who cares about statistical significance, it's bragging rights and that's far more important. 24-23 may not be statistically significant in the Super Bowl, but only one team takes the Lombardi trophy home. Statistical significance or not, and it ain't the team scoring 23.
12.23.2005 5:09pm
Michael Eisenberg (mail):
Three out-of-state law schools had pass rates equal to or higher than UCLA: BYU (94%), Arizona (89%), and Yale (95%). There's a link to the full table via Paul Caron's post.

However, those schools only had 16, 19 and 40 people, respectively, take the exam, and those were likely those schools' best students. Stanford had only 83 take the exam, a number normal for them. Compare to UCLA's 265 who took the exam out of a class of close to 300. Getting 265 people to all perform well is totally different than 20 or even 40 of a school's best. To look at a school's passage rate that only sends a small number of students to take the CA bar is not that meaningful a comparision. Congratulations to the UCLA's class of '05 who took the exam.
12.23.2005 5:28pm
Pete Freans (mail):
Isn't Bar-Bri wonderful?
12.23.2005 7:10pm
Bulldog:
Much as I (a Californian) would like to think otherwise, there's no reason at all to suppose that Yale grads moving to California were better students than those moving to, say, New York or Washington, D.C.
12.23.2005 7:13pm
joel b:
Bulldog - note I was only addressing BYU and Arizona, yale is diff I grant readily.
12.23.2005 8:37pm
Richard Bellamy (mail):
Isn't the better headline "California #50 in time to release bar passage rates"?
12.23.2005 9:16pm
Cal-guy (mail):
Frank Drackman: No, the testing and scoring do not vary by race. The passage rate varies greatly by race. The passage rates for first-time takers from ABA approved schools in California was 75% for whites, 67% for Asians, 58% for Hispanics, and 46% for blacks. (The passage rate for "Other minority" was 63%.)

For ABA-approved schools outside of California, whites passed at 72% and blacks at 30%.

If (like me) you would like to see continuing and even increased participation in the legal system by groups traditionally excluded, these numbers are awful.
12.23.2005 11:32pm
chuck (mail):
Those are much higher percentages that I would have expected. I think the patent bar averages only 50% and it's a much easier test.
12.23.2005 11:46pm
A Guest (mail):
Shouldn't the numbers also be normalized for some sort of "capabilities and knowledge before they got to law school" baseline (if what you're trying to determine is "which is the best school")?
12.24.2005 12:32am
ADB:
To look at a school's passage rate that only sends a small number of students to take the CA bar is not that meaningful a comparision. Congratulations to the UCLA's class of '05 who took the exam.

Hey, how 'bout those 400 Hastings kids who took the exam? Congrats to everyone who passed!
12.24.2005 2:40am
Cornellian (mail):
Most out of state schools don't send people to California in sufficient numbers for a year's worth of statistics to mean much, so I wouldn't attribute anything to Yale's percentage this year. Next year a couple of guys from Yale could fail and the percentage would drop noticably.

I would have guessed that USC would edge out Hastings, though not by much. Perhaps I overestimated them a bit. I think Hastings is often underestimated, so I'm not suprised to see them doing so well.
12.24.2005 10:45am
lucia (mail) (www):
Well, if UCLA's 88.7% is not significanlty better than Standford's 88%, then would Standfords 88% be significantly better than Boalt's 87%? (I guess we could do an analysis of variance. . . )

Congratulations!
12.24.2005 11:20am
Houston Lawyer:
These pass rates are all quite high, and congratulations for all who passed. There has been much pissing and moaning in the WSJ lately about how hard the California Bar Exam is. Apparently, for those who went to good schools, it isn't any harder than those given in other states.
12.25.2005 9:27pm
ss:
Good to see the University of South Dakota faring so well.
12.26.2005 8:22pm