Just thought I'd echo Orin's words about Michael McConnell; as I've said before, McConnell is a brilliant and tremendously respected scholar and, for the last few years, Tenth Circuit judge.
Related Posts (on one page):
- McConnell and Bolling v. Sharpe:
- Michael McConnell:
- The Miers Withdrawal:
Brilliant, well-qualified, respected by legal elites---he doesn't stand a chance of getting the nod.
Unfair, for a nice guy with his qualifications? Sure, but that's the way it is.
McConnell's certainly a very sharp guy, but his well-known opposition to Roe would make him tough to confirm. Politically, Bush would probably nominate Gonzales.
If you had your choice of 9 people to sit on the bench, and you could not pick yourself or other VCers, who would you choose?
Do you really think he wants Miers Part Two? He's pretty much politically foreclosed from nominating Gonzo at this point.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041129&s=rosen112904
No one cares what McConnell's deeply-developed views on the Free Exercise Clause are.
But, I'm still holding out for Kozinski from the 9th Circuit, and then elevating Volokh to the bench to replace Kozinski.
Who's with me?:)
Gonzales went to Harvard, was on the Texas Supreme Court, and is Attorney General. It doesn't matter if, intellectually, he's Miers Part Two. He's probably confirmable, unlike Luttig and McConnell. The Democrats couldn't really expect a better nominee for them, and there would be enough Republicans to support him. The nationally-unelectable Republicans (Brownback, Coburn, et al.) might oppose Gonzales, but at this point, there's not going to be a nominee to satisfy left-wing or right-wing nuts. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to have a Hispanic on the Supreme Court, politically.
What scholarship, specifically, are you referring to? I would imagine that there are pieces that they agree with (see, e.g., school prayer) and pieces they don't, but on the whole his work (from the ACLU's perspective) should be no worse than any other GOP nominee, and in some (many) ways much better.
Byron White + Sandra O'Connor = Ruth Ginsberg + X
Solving for X in this equation is amusing... Mostly as a result of imagining Ted Kennedy's head exploding!
cathy :-)
Gonzales is obviously not going to be the nominee, because he would have the exact same "document issue" that Miers had. While we all know the document issue was a pretext, they never would have used that pretext if they intended to come right back with Gonzales. What happens in the scenario where Gonzales is nominated, Senators ask for the same White House Counsel documents that they requested on Miers, and it is pointed out that Miers was withdrawn for this exact reason?
Brilliant!
X= Willis Van Devanter
(and I refuse to show my work)
The implications of "Bookerizing" (or "un-Bookerizing")the federal and state court systems is enourmous. It will immediately affect thousands (tens of thousands?) sentences. By some arguments, applying Blakley without the Booker fix would mandate minimum, concurrent sentences in some states, and possibly in the federal system.
The replacement of Rehnquist and the pending replacement of O'Connor already put Booker into doubt. But if McConnell (or whoever Bush picks) is a Scalia-type conservative, the criminal justice system in this country is in for a bumpy ride.
What about Clement? He is another Roberts, no?
McConnell would be equally brilliant, perhaps more brilliant still. It would bring important issues to the fore and force the Bidens and Schumers of the world, along with Interest groups and others, into the light of day. At least potentially, it would be a great forum for a transparent vetting of some wastreling ideological detritus and some critical federalist, legislative and judicial issues.
Other picks would have similar effects and would be perfectly agreeable, but McConnell is so brilliant and articulate in addition to possessing some uncommon common sense and a thoughtful and compassionate measure of humanity to boot. All that doesn't even get into the specifics of his substantial bona fides and the fact he's already been confirmed by the Senate in his present position with the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. The gold standard - and confirmable after a fight which would very much be a worthwhile fight and transparent vetting before the American public.
Also, this piece on Bush v. Gore, by McConnell, reflects his appreciable approach on that controversy. It begins with the following excerpt:
"By scheduling a statewide recount at the very last minute, without fair and uniform standards, the Florida Supreme Court put the U.S. Supreme Court in a very difficult position, without time to craft a remedy that commanded widespread acceptance"
From your lips...
1)I am not convinced McConnell is as confirmable as people think, to echo what has been said. His hatred of Roe is too obvious, and he was only confirmed because he said that it was settled and that as an appellate judge he hould abide by it. I don't know how well that would play in SC hearings. Badly, I'm afraid.
2) What about a choice more along the lines of Roberts-- a private practitioner? I'm thinking of a woman, clerked for the late Chief, hmm . . . Maureen Mahoney. Do you think the right would revolt because she argued (and won) the U of M lawschool case? She is no more of a known quantity than Roberts, and is just as accomplished. There is no way she would fail to be confirmed-- unless there was a revolt from the right ala Miers, which I doubt would happen.
It doesn't matter if McConnell is "confirmable." That's for the Dems to decide. The first question is whether McConnell would make a "good" choice. The answer is Yes.
If the Dems want to further alienate sensible people by Borking a stupendous candidate, so be it. Let's get it on.
And like with Miers and Gonzales and Estrada before that, senators would likely seek internal documents from the SG's office, something this Administration is obviously not prepared to turn over.
Who are _the_ most qualified candidates? I submit that it's McConnell, and on that basis alone, he should get the nod.
I'm with Bob Flynn: "If the Dems want to further alienate sensible people by Borking a stupendous candidate, so be it. Let's get it on."
I find him far too deferential to so-called religion and religious practices. Ask yourself this question: if the issue were to come before the Court, would McConnell question whether Scientology is a "church" simply because it chose to call itself one? Original intent/meaning theorists out there: when the free exercise clause was drafted and ratified by the states as part of the Bill of Rights, did anyone contemplate the rise of such "churches?" The idiocy that we now see in prisoner free exercise litigation (the Church of Ganja type silliness)? Isn't there some point at which we can just say, "you can believe what you want to believe, but you're not free to undertake whatever ridiculous behavior you can contemplate as long as you can keep a straight face when you call it a religion?"
Look, the Constitution is a product of the Enlightenment. Brave thinkers two centuries ago had had quite enough of superstition and the supernatural. They would have been horrified to think that they were protecting some right to ritualistically slaughter chickens in your Miami apartment building or to import some weird root poison from Brazil, choke it down, vomit it up, and have a poison-induced vision in the process.
I also have Clement in his late 30's/early 40s. However, I don't see that being his drawback. He is old enough to be President of the United States. He holds a top government position. I'm not sure what 10 more years as a SCOTUS advocate (public or private) will do to his "world experience" and "maturity."
I imagine the left will make similar arguments about papers. But, we all know that is not the real reason that Miers bailed. That was taken straight from The Post editorial page. Weren't there similar document fights with Roberts? He was in the SG office, WH, etc. The WH got through that fairly easily.
Clement's resume is impeccable. And, if Bush truly wants someone outside the "judicial monastery," why not? Clement could be on the court for 50 years.
Anyway, I was just struck by Clement's resume (similarity to Roberts) and his conservative credentials. Perhaps down the road for Mr. Clement.
No, they're not, but that's quite irrelevant. Are the RINOs willing to go nuclear over McConnell and override a fillibuster? Are the DINO Dem senators willing to stick to a fillibuster or would they back down under pressure (if any can be applied, by no means certain at this point)?
McConnell saw no "compelling governmental interest" in preventing the importation of this poison.
And as a libertarian, I'd say: go ahead, legalize it, don't try to stop people from being idiots.
But as a lawyer I say: is this what the 1st Amendment is about??
A couple of points:
1. Don't discount the issue of Bush's ego in the new choice. Bush may want it to stick it to the people who he blames for his friend Miers being rejected. This could play out in a couple of different directions, depending on who he blames.
2. Luttig, who one commenter mentioned, would be filibustered. Basically, liberals believe that Luttig is an extremist and that the "mainstream" conservative on the Fourth Circuit is Wilkinson. Conservatives like Luttig because he is more conservative and younger. If Bush picks Luttig, he'll get a huge confirmation fight. (Of course, he may want one.)
I don't see why anybody would be particularly horrified about a chicken being slaughtered or someone ingesting a root.
Personally, I am more inclined to like/dislike a judge based on their views in relation to emerging technologies, freedom of speech, privacy, the right for citizens to protect their information (which isn't necessarily "privacy"), and especially separation of church and state.
McConnell is obviously a very religious person and his record clearly shows this. From what I've read, he is opposed to Roe V. Wade because to him, a fetus is a person and the privacy argument is the equivalent to murder behind closed doors.
He also seems to be a proponent of government-funded organizations being able to discriminate based on sex and religion (faith-based whatever), and race. For example, he was opposed to the SCOTUS ruling that revoked Bob Jones University's tax-exempt status because they banned inter-racial dating.
He also doesn't believe in separation of church and state (at all?).
To me, this does *NOT* seem like a confirmable person. The democrats would have a field day on his Bob Jones University ruling and it would probably draw minorities even further away from the Republican party.
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May a group of Santeria practitioners descend upon your condominium.
The comments thread of this blog is hardly the place to stage a full debate on the issue, but let me start it this way: do you (who claims to be a libertarian) really want a government actor deciding what religions are "true" religions and what religions aren't in the face of apparent good faith belief? (No pun intended, honest.)
You are way off on McConnell and separation of church and state. His views on separation of church and state are complicated, but can be summarized in the sobriquet that "government may only aid religion if it does so on a non-discriminatory basis both among religions and between religious and secular activities". This was presented as an alternative to both the strict separation of church and state urged by secular liberals and the complete dismantlement of the wall urged by religious conservatives. It has also been, to a great extent, adopted by the Supreme Court.
How does this play out? Basically, things like school vouchers, where religious institutions are funded on a non-discriminatory basis with secular institutions, are constitutional. But school prayer is unconstitutional, because it is pure government endorsement of religion.
He would be squarely in the middle of the Court on these issues.
I don't take their statements at face value, but I believe this People for the American Way summary of McConnell's take on the Bob Jones matter is pretty accurate (I deal with the 10th Circuit, and I looked at McConnell's writings when he was nominated to the Circuit):
Again, my objection is not that the knuckle draggers who run Bob Jones should be forced to change their policy. It is that McConnell would force the Government to provide a de facto subsidy to such a bogus institution of higher education (try to use that in the same sentence as "Bob Jones" without laughing out loud).
PFAW's criticism is fair.
Those who think McConnell could sail through confirmation are kidding themselves. He really is a free exercise extremist. I am tired of the praise being heaped on those who are "religious," as if that is a qualification or proof of character.
Belief in a higher power may cause one to lead a better life. But it is not a sign of character. Sometimes, in fact, it is a sign of a flawed intellect.
In that case I'd say there's every chance of the next Supreme Court Justice coming from outside the US- at the moment I doubt anyone in the US is avoiding the blame. Except possibly Miers.
On that note, is she going back to her old job? In hich case I assume she will once again get input into the nomination. I think we should look closely to see if the nomination is in any way related to the Executive- how about Jeb Bush? He meets the qualifications of being
1/ Related
2/ conservative
3/ No judicial experience
4/ Lots ofpolitical background
In POTUS' warped mind he may actually appeal!
Seriously my choice would be Posner or Kosynski. Both would add great judicial weight to the bench
"McConnell Supports Tax Subsidies for Racists." It would be a powerful attack. It would also be true. (Again, this all assumes the comment citing First Things is correct.)
No, what I really want is for governments to get out of the business of granting special favors for religion. Make churches equivalent to other nonprofit (actually, "for profit" is often more correct) organizations and the problem of deciding goes away.
Since we haven't made (and aren't going to make) such a policy decision anytime soon, the courts are forced to grapple with the issue. That's the danger of granting special status to a "church" as opposed to some other kind of nonprofit. But why say that we should simply defer to the organization's own characterization of its nature (e.g., Scientology is a church)? Congress created this mess, and the courts have no choice but to deal with it.
Not that I would welcome a SCOTUS decision declaring an unborn child a "person" in the legal sense either, but such thinking can hardly be called "retrograde," can it?
That is, indeed, the spin PFAW would put on it. It would be a mischaracterization of McConnell's position, but no more so than all the other news accounts of nuanced legal opinions. The truth is too complicated and boring:
-- Congress decided that colleges should have tax exempt status
-- it would be a violation of the free exercise clause to grant that exemption to secular instititions but deny it to religious institutions
-- The IRS wanted to deny tax exempt status to institutions that discriminate on the basis of race
-- But if the discriminatory practice is part of a religious institution's belief system, it would violate the free exercise clause to deny tax exempt status on that basis.
McConnell's argument is logical and defensible.
But it is also "extreme," in that it is extremely deferential to the bizarre practices Mr. Bob Jones believes are somehow intrinsic to the practice of Christianity.
Again, Congress has forced the courts to analyze the legitimacy of various religious practices. And in every case, McConnell defers to the "Church's" own stated rationale, whether it is "ingestion of a Brazilian poison/drug is essential to our form of worship," or "a prohibition on interracial dating is essential to our practice of Christianity."
To me, your sobriquet does seem like the abolishment of separation of church and state. If we had an amendment on the books that stated:
How is it even possible for a government to be non-discriminatory when selecting which religious institutions get aid? Assuming a "religious aid" budget of a billion dollars, who gets a cut? Lets assume for a moment that 50% of the people in this country define themselves as Christian. Do we then hand out half a billion dollars to Christian organizations?
Not only that, but what about the non-religious? Who do we call to send $100 million to for those that are non-religious or atheists?
Then there's various forms of religion to worry about (not to mention subclasses!). If it were against my religion to aid infidels (e.g. Christians), how would it be fair to me that my taxes are going into a Christian organization? How would it make you feel if your tax dollars were going into a neo-Nazi religious group?
To me, the government aiding a religious institution is the equivalent to a state-sanctioned religion. Also, when the state starts handing out money to religious institutions, that can be considered a form of state control of religion. If your church discriminates against homosexuals, you can kiss your federal funding goodbye. To get needed money in a tough situation, a religious institution may relinquish their anti-gay stance in order to stay afloat. This can lead to all sorts of corruption (e.g. "convince your followers that my war is justified and I'll make sure you get your $200 million").
"Political freedom cannot exist in any land where religion controls the state, and religious freedom cannot exist in any land where the state controls religion." -Samuel James Ervin Jr., lawyer, judge, and senator
(1896-1985)
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McConnell is not the most qualified U Chicago Law professor out there, even. Posner and Easterbrook are more qualified. They're just not as "reliably" conservative as McConnell might be, though, given the Miers choice, their age might not be as much a fact for the President.
Kozinski, too, is more qualified.
Belief in a higher power may cause one to lead a better life. But it is not a sign of character. Sometimes, in fact, it is a sign of a flawed intellect. Cold Warrior
Not only fair, it's more than fair, it's also true. (Though it's opposite is also true. It's far more common in our era for someone to forward their agnosticism or atheism or anti-theism as a proof of their intelligence.)
More pointedly, cites offered to substantiate that specific charge vis-a-vis McConnell as a potential SCOTUS appointee however would be welcome. Unless I missed it in this thread, or elsewhere, I have not seen it substantiated.
I guess someone could argue that by revoking BJ's tax exempt status they were disfavoring BJ's religion, thereby discriminating against some religions vs. others. I don't think that would get him far in a confirmation hearing.
That's exactly the argument McConnell made. And as I said, I think that argument is perfectly defensible.
But no, it wouldn't impress the Judiciary Committee or the public.
[And in case you haven't noticed, I think the argument is perfectly defensible but also wrong.]
And, Cold Warrior, your position that government actors ought to be judging what brand of Christianity is "true Christianity" and what isn't is more extreme than the view you attribute to McConnell, and absurd besides.
Making religious groups eligible for governmental aid on the same basis as non-religious groups does not destroy the separation of church and state.
In fact, if one takes your post to its logical conclusion, the federal subsidized student loan and Pell Grant programs are unconstitutional, because they aid BYU and Notre Dame on an equal basis as UCLA and Stanford.
Similarly, it would mean that an Adopt a Highway program that allows a Church to adopt a highway (and receive an advertisement on government property) on the same terms as others may adopt one would be unconstitutional. Even affording police and fire protection to churches would be unconstitutional.
Under McConnell's theories, there is still a strong separation of church and state. The aid has to be neutral. If the government is favoring faith-based organizations over secular or atheistic ones, or granting aid to Christian groups but not to Muslim groups, it's unconstitutional. School prayer is a no-no; so is creating a special school district exclusively for Hasidic Jews.
There would still be plenty of separation between church and state.
I generally think McConnell would be a good nominee, but I think McConnell's off his rocker on Bob Jones. That case was decided 8-1 by the Supreme Court; even Burger voted against the school. So his defense of the school is pretty extreme.
And I think the result of the case is perfectly consistent with McConnell's own theories, in that the race discrimination prohibition was applied consistently to all schools, whether religious or secular. According to most of his writing, government aid that is afforded on the same terms to all institutions is constitutional.
Several years earlier, McConnell had similarly written that the “racial doctrines of a Bob Jones University” should have been “tolerated,” even though he admitted they were “abhorrent."
I love their use of the word "admitted." Another way of saying the same thing:
McConnell harbored strong personal objections to BJU's policies; indeed, he considered them "abhorrent." However, he understood that the legal issue needed to be decided, not in accordance with his personal feelings, but by the impartial application of Constitutional principles.
- AJ
McConnell says: that's the end of the story. We can't go probing into whether this statement -- that a prohibiton on interracial sex is essential to Bob's University's Christian educational mission -- is an honest characterization, or an accepted (even by a very small minority) interpretation of scripture, or anything. We just take their word for it and grant tax exempt status. Same thing with the New Mexico Brazilian potion drinkers. Same thing, presumably, under the RFRA for federal prisoners who claim their religion requires them to smoke massive quantities of pot or engage in sex orgies. We simply aren't allowed to undertake such inquiries.
McConnell, in his zeal to ensure that the Government remains content neutral with respect to religious practices and in no way favors/disfavors religion, misses a larger point: isn't "religion" favored when people are allowed to undertake illegal acts as long as those acts are characterized as religious practice? What if I want to drink some hideous psychoactive potion for the purpose of my own private, nonreligious enlightenment? Why do I have to join some hippie church to do so?
I'm not sure citing Burger's endorsement of a particular position is all that persuasive, at least to me.
You're right, of course, that there is some tension, at least on the surface, between McConnell's views on, e.g., Bob Jones and Zelman. But I'm not convinced that they are irreconcilable, and criticisms of the decision are hardly unusual. See, for example, the 1200 or so law review articles that come up when you keycite the case. (It is vulnerable to attack from both the free exercise claims and other parts of the First Amendment.) To be clear, I'm not necessarily persuaded by critics of the decision. But to suggest that they are loons is unwarranted.
I knew a bunch of guys in college who had self-described religious experiences induced by psychoactive drugs. Let's say they banded together and formed the Lysergic Church.
Simon, how dare you laugh at them or question the sincerity of their belief system ...
Let's say Bob Jones Jr. is convicted of tax fraud and sent to prison. Let's say he refuses to be housed with black prisoners since separation of the races is mandated by his brand of Christianity.
Simon, where would you place him?
This president has always put personal relationships over politics. Harriet Miers is an old and loyal friend of a man who takes friendship and loyalty very seriously. He's supposed to, now, accept the borking of this friend and reward the disloyal?
Me, I suspect there will be a reckoning here, and it won't be pretty.
Is it me or did 48 Senators vote against him? That seems like a strong stand!
I think you're right. Which is why Bush will nominate Gonzales.
There is no chance on earth that Bush will nominate Gonzalez. I'll bet you $100, loser makes the donation to this site.
This isn't that hard if you stop confusing two separate (albeit related) issues. Try to follow along.
First there is the question of whether the government actors should determine whether somebody or someone is properly considered, e.g., Christian.
Courts have some institutional competence in determining whether someone is lying to them. For example, a court (whether judge or jury) could determine that your friend were telling the truth -- or lying -- about their religious belief in the Lysergic Church.
Courts have no institutional competence -- none at all -- in deciding questions of theology. Judges and juries aren't theologians, and believe me, whether somebody or something is sufficiently or appropriately Christian is most definitely a theological matter. It's why courts run far, far, far away from disputes that force the court to determine whether, for example, one part or another of a broken congregation is the "true" congregation allowed access to the church.
A second question, separate but related, is whether the government should recognize exceptions to generally applicable laws on account of a person's religious belief. There are good arguments for such a rule and bad argument for such a rule. McConnell usually makes good arguments, although I'm not sure I agree with him.
But for me to conclude that the government should not allow religious exceptions to generally applicable laws does not lead me to conclude that the government has any business determining whether a particular religion is "true" or not, or a particular adherent is sufficiently devout.
Hispanic + old friend of the Bush family + smart and experienced.
I don't see Gonzales because it would just mean another big fight over his replacement.
You could be right about Garza. He's from Texas, supports Bush, etc.
I think given Bush's personality he'll nominate Gonzales b/c he's a better friend with Bush and is loyal. Also, Bush is probably pretty ticked about the treatment of Miers, which means he has taken it personally and will nominate who he wants.
No matter who it is, I wouldn't be surprised if he nominated a confirmable moderate who had more support among Democrats than Republicans. I think Bush felt that he appeased the far right by putting Ashcroft as AG, and they should stick to that. As for the conservative intelligentsia, I'm sure Bush could care less about them, other than to get even for their perceived disloyalty.
Then why don't you answer my Scientology question? Tom Cruise certainly seems to have an honest if foolish belief in the philosophy cum religion of that minor British sci-fi author. Does the strength of one's devotion to a pop philosopher transform his adherents into a "Church?" All you tell me is that courts are properly hesitant to get involved in such questions. But when the IRS has to determine if your organization is a "Church" or is merely devoted to a particular moral programme, not getting involved is simply not doing your job. What if the various Ayn Rand adherents out there wanted to classify their organization as a "Church?"
Look, others have argued that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act is unconstitutional in that it invites the courts to make the type of decisions that are committed by the Constitution to the legislative branch. McConnell certainly doesn't think so, and he seemed positively gleeful about accepting the RFRA's invitation to be an unelected legislator in the New Mexico hoasca (the psychedelic potion) case. In fact, he went on at great length about the lack of explicit Congressional findings about the dangers of hoasca — this in spite of the fact that the active ingredient is a Schedule I controlled substance, and the reams of Congressional testimony and findings on the controlled substances act. Read his concurring opinion and you'll see what I mean. And note that it was a concurring opinion; in other words, his side had already won. All he needed to do was join in the lead opinion. But as I said, he seemed to relish the arguably unconstitutional power Congress ceded to him ...
... All I'm saying is this: those of us who would like to see the judicial branches give more deference to the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives have reason to be concerned about a future Justice McConnell.
Yes, of course. McConnell's lack of deference to the legislative branches is so well known. Especially in his defense of the Court's Boerne decision.
(This is my way of subtly suggesting that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.)
1) I don't know what standards the IRS actually uses to determine whether Scientology is a religion or not. But if its adherents want to claim that it is, I don't know an obvious reason to contradict them. (It sure as hell isn't a science.)
2) In the hoasca case that seems to have you so worked up, both statutes at issue -- the one McConnell relied on and the one drug statute enjoined -- were passed by Congress. Thus, for you to claim that McConnell's opinion reflects a lack of proper deference to the legislature is, to say the least, nuts.
I think Sotomayor would be a wonderful choice -- especially if the object is to pick a moderate (nominated by both Bush and Clinton) who is both smart and a non-accademic.
But, it ain't happening. (IIRC, the NRO hated even the suggestion, forgetting that Bush I nominated her first.)
Someone like Prado is more likely, though still unlikely.
So, the question is, who does Bush want to please? I don't think he's feeling too warm and fuzzy toward the people who torpedoed Miers.
The only person he likely wants to please here is himself. Ergo, it's going to be another weird pick from his friends and cronies.